Can ANYONE name the poison Eagle 20 with the active ingredient Myclobutanil??

[Mia]

You're rather clueless.
Calling the company is a dead end.
The produce sold in supermarkets across the country has all kinds of pesticide residuals on it, have you ever seen what happens to old brocolli? It will actually sweat the pesticides to the point they are visible...
I eat conventional produce all the time but prefer organic.
If you are so adamant about "regulations" what are you doing smoking pot??

We're talking about it all as far as I'm concerned. Spectracide is very similar to eagle20, they're both fungicides with the same active ingredient. Spectracide is approved for use on all kinds of food crops(nuts, fruits, and vegetables), what do you think about that?
Since it is "approved' I guess you're okay with that?

Who approved your use of marijuana? After all, the federal government has it classified as schedule 1 controlled substance, the worst kind:
Schedule I substances are those that have the following findings:

1. The drug or other substance has a high potential for abuse.
2. The drug or other substance has no currently accepted medical use in treatment in the United States.
3. There is a lack of accepted safety for use of the drug or other substance under medical supervision

Yet you use schedule 1 drugs....
I'm curious what your justification for that is?

Anyways sorry E420 if i hijacked your thread, I'm done with this horsey, mostly ideologues in here....No thanks...

 

[skullznroses]

basically after I used Dargoncil (sp) I decided fudge lick, lets use something thats a one shot product. Let it run its course and degrade into nothing in 2-3 weeks then wait another 2-3 weeks to be safe. Trust me food is sprayed until the last minute

All the information I needed was on the label. How much to use, what to use it on, and how often to reapply.

If you by itch cream and ask the woman at the counter if shes ever tried it on her balls then you will likely get the same answer as you would from a farm uspply company that isn't legally allowed to test the product on MMJ>

If you look at half lives in 28 days there might be 4% product left. If you believe that it only stays in the tissue that is grown when its applied, then youre talking 4% of product on 5000% more tissue. Once I get into that small a decimal place I think about not smoking if you have health worries.

Also, Im willing to bet your average strawberry sees more fungicide then even the most commercial bud out there.

 

[TribalSeeds]

You're rather clueless.
Calling the company is a dead end.
The produce sold in supermarkets across the country has all kinds of pesticide residuals on it, have you ever seen what happens to old brocolli? It will actually sweat the pesticides to the point they are visible...
If you are so adamant about "regulations" what are you doing smoking pot??

We're talking about it all as far as I'm concerned. Spectracide is very similar to eagle20, they're both fungicides with the same active ingredient.


Since it is "approved' I guess you're okay with that?
Who approved your use of marijuana? After all, the federal government has it classified as schedule 1 controlled substance, the worst kind:
When it comes to a drug that is currently listed in schedule I, if it is undisputed that such drug has no currently accepted medical use in treatment in the United States and a lack of accepted safety for use under medical supervision, and it is further undisputed that the drug has at least some potential for abuse sufficient to warrant control...
Anyways sorry E420 if i hijacked your thread, I'm done with this horsey, mostly ideologues in here....No thanks...

California approved my use of marijuana and said I can grow it too! We took a vote! I guess that would be as good as polling the net for info...
California also regulates all the produce and pesticides it will allow under certain guidlines. There are extensive tests done. While Im not saying I feel safe with that, what Im saying is that Im not going to buy a damn thing from someone that openly admits to using a poison in a way that it is not intended to be used around anything I consume.
Anyone who has this stuff in their garden cant be trusted not to use it to save their a$$. There are safer alternatives and there is no reason to take any chances with something that hasnt been tested.





Ok wait, Im wrong! I have no idea what Im talking about. There arent any safer alternatives and this shit is the end to PM forever. Its just not in the plant. Amazing stuff!
LOL

 

[Mia]

You make no sense.
The federal government hasn't approved it's use, in fact it is still rated as a schedule 1 controlled substance, the worst kind, yet you ignore them, the trumping agency with the most studies and data- what you say is your measure- because it doesn't suit you and you want to get high.
Yet you use that excuse when it does suit you otherwise....
So, since spectracide is approved for use on food crops with a thirty day harvest window, you're cool with that right?
Anyways good luck, with reasoning like that, you're gonna need it.
You should go recycle your computer.....

 

[TribalSeeds]

You make no sense.
The federal government hasn't, in fact it is still rated as a schedule 1 controlled substance, the worst kind, yet you ignore them, the trumping agency with the most studies and data, because it dosen't suit you and you want to get high.
Yet you use that excuse when it does suit you otherwise....
So, since spectracide is approved for use on food crops with a thirty day harvest window, you're cool with that right?
Anyways good luck, with reasoning like that, you're gonna need it.
You should go recycle your computer.....

I just looked up Spectracide.
Where to use:
OUTDOORS

Are we still using this to rationalize anything?
Burn

 

[TribalSeeds]

Ask and you shall receive.
What is your complaint going to be now?
http://www.spectracide.com/Products...ctracide-Immunox-Multi-Purpose-Fungicide.aspx

RIGHT IN YOUR LINK IT SAYS OUTDOORS ONLY
THAT WAS THE POINT OF MY WHOLE FUCKING COMMENT!
DONT ADDRESS ME IN ANY FURTHER POSTS BECAUSE IM NOT READING A FUCKING THING YOU SAY!

 

[Mia]

You have no points to make.
You have been addressed.
You are the weakest intellectual link.
Goodbye.

 

[Ichabod Crane]

So a bunch of doctors got together and said medical marijuana was safe to use. No just a bunch of people who thought it was passed a law without doing testing and now you smoke marijuana because that makes it safe. Well a lot of people here think eagle 20 is safe so go ahead and use it now.

My logic seems sound based on your logic.

 

[Weird]

"A) after 21 days after application flue cured tobacco (heat cured) STILL retained up to 3.5 mg per kg of myclobutanil at up to 90% dissipation"

What study did this come from? I cannot find it.

elipse posted it but here it is again

http://www.bioportfolio.com/resourc...-Tobacco-And-Soil-Under-Field-Conditions.html

I am going to apply that metric to the actual real world application rates one might use of these products. That is a much more realistic scenario.
It should also be noted that if this study was using e20 at 20% mycobutanil than spectracide at 1.5% mycobutanil would obviously result in residuals over ten fold smaller. So these things have to be looked at very carefully. I'm not sure how useful that info really is, especially considering the fact that it is not an "apples to apples" comparison in numerous respects(application, timing,etc.)
Nevertheless it is interesting and somewhat useful information but using it as a complete argument is overly simplistic to say the least.

So Weird, what is your opinion of spectracide immunox taking into account it contains no naphthalene and a fraction of the mycobutanil? Or is this not really about science but about ideology? If these tests that have been offered up by more than one person test negative for all of your concerned substances what would be your position then?

It's rather comical to me to hear guys like you and dumbledore say these things while you type on your computer.
Do you have any idea how dirty those things are?
What's YOUR justification for that?

so we both have something to laugh about

i find it rather comical to hear you need to use a fungicide indoors

 

[TribalSeeds]

No, actually I usually vape now. I had been smoking way before mmj... I dont care what anyone says about it being healthy or not, its my choice. When were talking about pesticides and selling someone else something that may or may not have pesticides on them were talking about something different. Were also talking about something else when were talking about contaminating the water supply or the air our family is breathing in the home. Those are the points I brought up, I dont know where the points youre using to rationalize the use of a product that isnt necessary.
Just because something has a 30 day harvest window outside doesnt mean it has a 30 day harvest window indoors. Thats the point I made from the beginning. Spectracide has been brought up several times but it hasnt been tested and approved for indoor use either.

 

[skullznroses]

I used a minimal dose, lets call it E20 lite, or spectracide medium... may I be excused and go halk up an OG lunger on the street?

 

[Mia]

http://www.bioportfolio.com/resourc...-Tobacco-And-Soil-Under-Field-Conditions.html
i find it rather comical to hear you need to use a fungicide indoors

Check your hearing, you're making shit up again.

Thanks for the link, I'll run through it when I have a couple of hours as I certainly can't trust your opinion of the data....

 

[Mia]

"When were talking about pesticides and selling someone else something that may or may not have pesticides on them were talking about something different."


Fair point.
And I certainly don't mean to suggest that one use my example in converse,i.e. as a reason to use these types of products...
It's simply an example of the appeal to authority argument which a lot of people use selectively,when it suits their agenda, that I have a problem with as well as the other contradictions I see in people's statements.

At any rate as interesting as I find trying to find out about this stuff is, the argument has grown quite stale on all sides.
Tests should be taken, they have been offered up, Weird has unsurprisingly stayed mum on the subject as well as the other relevant questions posed to him, as usual...in sake of his organic agenda promoted on his non organic carcinogenic computer..

It's a nice day outside, I'm going to go enjoy it for a little while.

 

[Babbabud]

From what I see my friends have been testing MJ for over 50 years daily with no ill effects There was a cpl generations before mine that did the samething if im not mistaken I really try to come from a place of common sense ... my sense tells me stay away from as many chems as possible.

 

[Weird]

Cigarettes in fact contain radioactive particles that contribute mostly to the mutagentic properties.


http://www.epa.gov/rpdweb00/sources/tobacco.html

It's hard to pick on one specific factor in cigarette smoke that is the acual black hat bad guy considering there's so much nonsense in it that's bad.

the simple point si combustion does not detoxify cigarettes which is supported by my link

That being said, I still maintain there's a better way to use Eagle.

there are safe ways to use everythin.

how do you qualify safe when you can't test for it and the person using it provides meds for patients like so many in this thread ?

I'm not going to argue that it's healthy for you, or even that it's safe. It clearly contains chemicals that can be carcinogenic, mutagenic, teratogenic and a whole host of other "-ics". I feel personally that using that as a way to eliminate PM, and then growing a few generations of plants before flowering out is acceptable. Furthermore, I don't provide anything to "patients". I consume everything I grow. The PM was screwing up my lungs and giving me respiratory ailments. I spent an unacceptable amount of time attempting to control something that was compromising my health. I used Eagle 20 1x.

how you perceive your the opportunity cost of your health versus your money is your own personal choice

so is how you choose to garden

i successfully ran the PM riddled same cuts that were passed among the family including rom ssh and bpp and eliminated it naturally without toxins

i didnt use fungicides to eliminate pm in that instance so while i appreciate your choice how is it relative in a medical provider scenario and why are only SOME growers so challenged they need a toxic fungicide while others are not

I'm never happy to use a 'final solution' chemical like Avid or Eagle. I don't do so without knowing that I'm applying a potentially harmful agent, and I don't do so without caution, precaution and common sense. Given those circumstances, I feel that it was still a wise decision. I would NOT however spray willy-nilly and continue to do so without taking a considerable amount of time to allow the levels of chemicals to dissapate and eventually eliminate themselves from the plant.

if you cant qaulify what is left on the plant you shouldn't speak with such assurances

once again the hurdles you face are your own as are your opportunity costs as well as how you chose to deal with them

according to your logic you used eagle 20 only once

to me that means you simply didnt put in the due diligence to abate it naturally since you "elimited" it with one treatment

this means it no reoccurring source and it was in your room or your plants

having dealt with the same issues the same genes and the same pm I needing eagle20 is on you

Furthermore, unless you've committed yourself to eating nothing but fruits and vegetables you've grown organically AND you raise your own livestock, don't use cleaning agents or perfumes or colognes, deodorants, etc...you're constantly being exposed to reagents that are potentially carcinogenic, teratogenic, mutagenic, etc. You might as well also stop using the internet and all sorts of electronic nonsense like your bluetooth and wireless remote controls. Every electronic device is bombarding you with countless emissions that can't and will never successfully be tested in collusion with the others in a laboratory setting.

justifying adding toxins to an environment because they already exists is a weak argument and a sign that you have no valid contribution based on fact, especially when you acknowledge that the environmental toxicity might be cumlative and unpredictable

but for your edification i grow my own organic pot my own organic vegetables and by organic herbs, i buy organic foods

i use natural and biodegradable cleaners and we aren't overloaded with electronics

sorry bro not every one says fuck it cause everyone else is shitting on the world around them

im dont conform to the lowest common denominator, maybe you should consider this as well


[/quote]It's unprecedented that in today's world, there's practically not a single individual that isn't exposed to a constant barrage of chemicals from the moment they are born until the moment they die. Never in history has this occurred, and more than likely it's a trend that will not stop in industrialized societies.[/quote]

so why the fuck in the world would you suggest when people finally have their destiny in their own hands would you suggest they do the same as the powers that be that have put us in this position in the first place?

when have a chance to "turn it around" in our own lives through our own personal choices

why, when you admit the potential for toxicity and that you don't have any commercial experience (you only grow for you right) why the fuck would you come in here trying to justify what CAN"T be qualified

you know marijuana in and of it self is NOT TOXIC and this lack of toxicity is the reason so many people would rather use it as a medicine

especially people who are sick and have compromised immune systems

how can you advocate for cultivation of a non toxic medicine with the use of toxins that cant be qualified ?

what does it benefit you to advocate for something you can't guarantee?

why not advocate something that at least uses something that IS tested for?

sounds like you found a good excuse to satiate your conscious

 

[minds_I]

Hello all,

I never said de-toxify, I said alter there chemical make-up.

As for the use of toxins, keep in mind that just because a substance is organic does not preclude it from being toxic.

Anyway, here is a reference to post production consumer pesticide exposure studies. These would include samples labeled organic. Have a read and tell me what you think? The data is old but no the less relavent.

http://www.organic-center.org/reportfiles/bakerbenbrook.pdf

minds_I

 

[pip313]

I have a lot of problems with what wired said, comparing radioactive cigarettes that can't decompose from heat with carbon based funicide isn't a valid comparison.

 

[Weird]

I have a lot of problems with what wired said, comparing radioactive cigarettes that can't decompose from heat with carbon based funicide isn't a valid comparison.

i have a problem with people stating theory as if were fact

all im saying is if combustion made toxins inert then they wouldn't be traced back to cigarettes (cigarettes are the only "agricultural" product i know that has toxins, experiences combustion and has smoke composition testing for us to look at comparatively)

fact remains eagle20 is not the only solution, its not an appropriate one and you can't test for it

it is irresponsible to treat marijuana like tobacco and at the profit margins THERE IS NO NEED TO

remember the only "legal" provisions are medical so shouldn't we assume your growing medicine

if you grow just weeds and you don't care whats in them then that is on you and its all good till you give them to someone else

exposing others to something toxic when you don't have to is negligent

its really that simple

its painfully easy to grow healthy cannabis especially when you control the environment

that is the huge differential here

if you cant grow indoors without eagle20 your doing it wrong

if you dont give a fuck and use it anyway bully for you but dont expect to troll some bullshit conjecture as if it nullifies underlying fact

 

[SeaMaiden]

Weird, I agree with much you've had to say, except this, "It is irresponsible to treat marijuana like tobacco."

I disagree with that statement, with very specific caveats or qualifiers. I think tobacco is a good corollary when it comes to treatment for pest or disease in a manner that will have negligible downstream effects. I have a lot more to learn about tobacco cultivation, but I know I can smell a difference between good quality organically grown tobacco versus the cheap stuff.

There HAS to be a good place to start, is what I'm trying to say, and I think tomatoes and peppers are great to use for comparison when it comes to feeding, but not treating. Tobacco is the better corollary.

Speaking of eating that organic food, we're headed out to visit some ranching friends of ours to pick up some of their pastured, organic beef.

 

[Weird]

Weird, I agree with much you've had to say, except this, "It is irresponsible to treat marijuana like tobacco."

I disagree with that statement, with very specific caveats or qualifiers. I think tobacco is a good corollary when it comes to treatment for pest or disease in a manner that will have negligible downstream effects. I have a lot more to learn about tobacco cultivation, but I know I can smell a difference between good quality organically grown tobacco versus the cheap stuff.

There HAS to be a good place to start, is what I'm trying to say, and I think tomatoes and peppers are great to use for comparison when it comes to feeding, but not treating. Tobacco is the better corollary.

Speaking of eating that organic food, we're headed out to visit some ranching friends of ours to pick up some of their pastured, organic beef.

when i say treat it like tobacco i mean add chemicals and adulterants to the plant itself the way tobacco growers do, whether it be to deal with pests or pathogens or to improve the quality of the smoke properties

the profit margins on cannabis dont require super farming to reap a profit