a wicked pulse

[delta9nxs]

"Waaaaay back when I started growin outside in the mid 70`s"

this must have been after the war. the war between the states. just think, if you had gone down with the Hunley you couldn't have gone on to invent the electric light bulb and we would all be so screwed trying to grow with candles and whale oil lanterns. you were lucky to get out alive.

 

[village green]

Do candles and whale oil lanterns show up on a smart meter?

 

[DHF]

"Waaaaay back when I started growin outside in the mid 70`s"

this must have been after the war. the war between the states. just think, if you had gone down with the Hunley you couldn't have gone on to invent the electric light bulb and we would all be so screwed trying to grow with candles and whale oil lanterns. you were lucky to get out alive.

Damn........Am I that old ?......

I look pretty good fer over 240 yrs old......Where`s Guiness book of world records.....

D9....Get ta work........

Peace....Freds........

 

[delta9nxs]

i figure you and i are about the same age but i thought i was cooler because i am married to a hot 42 yr college student. of course she was 28 when i met her but then you have to tell everybody about this steamin' 32 year old you're seeing and go one up on me.

but i got mine because of my studly good looks and world class charm and you obviously got yours because of, well, you know, .....cash.

well, gotta go now, i'm watching cnn and they have just renamed tropical storm Isaac.

it going to be called "Instant Karma" now.

 

[bloyd]

How's the garden looking? Keeping growth controlled? Flipped yet?

 

[delta9nxs]

How's the garden looking? Keeping growth controlled? Flipped yet?

huh? what garden?

hey, here's a few pics from last night.

growth is moderately well controlled but, again, using seedlings and six strains, i've got quite a spread on individual plant size and growth.

i haven't touched them for 4 days now and for the previous 7 days i defoliated and thinned severely, largest plants first, a few plants at a time so the re-leafing is staggered.

i'm just about to spend the afternoon making them all about the same as far as radiation use efficiency is concerned.

the largest are over the screen tops and the smallest are about a foot short of the tops. i'll fill in the blanks during stretch.

interesting to observe the branches of adjacent plants, which were in full shade avoidance, grow through and past each other somewhat after defoliation.

as i progress through stretch i'll tie everything to it's final position.

so i will be flipping them today. 5 weeks. too long but i'll cut that next time with clones.

speaking of clones all 36 cuts are well rooted and have to be moved out of the room now.

using co2 i have found that an increase in nitrogen is required so i have been running the solution input at 1150 ppm. 1050 jack's/calcinit at .666 and 100 ppm tap water. everything is beautiful and growth is fast. i have noticed an increase in what appears to be cellular turgor. branches snap like a fresh celery stalk. i have to bend slowly while training to the front.

also, because of the increased need for nitrogen and the higher ppm i decided to drain, flush, and refill the solution just to make sure the ratios are more correct. this is the first time since transplant and was done last night. i will probably do it one more time at the end of stretch.

ph has been running 6.1-6.2 at about 950 ppm in the res. no adjusters.

air temp 81-86f lights on 76-77f lights off.

main reservoir, plant reservoir's, and the center of the medium all run about 81f.

there is not a single spot or discolored leaf to be seen, i'm very happy with this set up and the way it's running.

back to the cave.

 

[Mister_D]

i'm very happy with this set up and the way it's running.

Me too . Things are looking great in there delta .

 

[zeke99]

Delta9, your new cave is awesome.

you've installed some interesting changes. I especially like the discovery that fewer sidewall holes are necessary.

I still run PPKs in a circle, so instead of screens to train them, there are 3-5 stakes per plant around the "back" half circle.

i might have to work on an index for this thread.

Did the price for fertilizer go up in your area? I bought Peters 5-11-26 this week, $46 for a 25 lb. bag, last year, I think it $35. Still a ridiculous bargain compared to the hobby ferts.

 

[delta9nxs]

Me too . Things are looking great in there delta .

thank you!

i didn't flip them monday or tuesday because more work needed to be done thinning and tying. but i've got the bulk of it done now.

so yesterday, 8-29, from 6 am to 6 pm, was the first dark period of 12/12.

also the c99 is proving to be nute sensitive so i had to cut the input to 950 ppm. i will probably drop the c99 from the next run but i will keep it for a possible monocrop.

so five of the six rooted c99 cuts i have are getting tossed today.

bringing me down to 30 plants for 24 positions next time. i intend to take early smoke samples from the other strains before committing them. i hope to run 4 next time.

these actual cuts won't make it to the transplant as i don't intend to do the whole topping and shaping routine next time.

in about 4 weeks i'll take another set off of these so my timing will be better. i don't want to have to top them next time.

i can produce a heavily rooted 16-18 inch cut in about 6 weeks.

i hope to reduce the veg period under the big lights and at the same time, cut back on the de-larfing labor.

during the 18/6 period i flipped the lights every 4.5 hours lights on.

now at 12/12 i'm flipping once per period at 6 hours. i like what i'm seeing. the plants are presenting a more uniform front.

later

 

[delta9nxs]

Delta9, your new cave is awesome.

you've installed some interesting changes. I especially like the discovery that fewer sidewall holes are necessary.

I still run PPKs in a circle, so instead of screens to train them, there are 3-5 stakes per plant around the "back" half circle.

i might have to work on an index for this thread.

Did the price for fertilizer go up in your area? I bought Peters 5-11-26 this week, $46 for a 25 lb. bag, last year, I think it $35. Still a ridiculous bargain compared to the hobby ferts.

thank you!

it's not that fewer holes are necessary so much as size and placement for o2.

the 60 hole pattern achieves root pruning as well as any commercial designs and if root pruning is your goal i still suggest these.

but i have gotten to the point where i don't believe it is all that critical with short term container crops. the studies i have seen on this indicate that the root pruned containers do not produce any more total root mass in the same time period. and if you round off the root ball at transplant and use a 35% porosity medium, the roots totally occupy the container.

the 3/4" hole version will be dropped when i can find a container that i can run at a 5" depth. i've got some good options. i could go to the 3 gal rubbermaids but i'm thinking about a bed.

i'm still buying the jacks 5-12-26, i'm sure you are aware that jacks has over 6% magnesium and the peters is around 3 something. i've never had a mag issue with jacks.

i just had to buy my second 50 lb bag of calcium nitrate. local farm supply. the bastards are ripping me off. i had to pay 30 bucks this time instead of 28. it lasted 3+ years.

i went through almost exactly 3 25 lb bags of jacks in the same time period.

you know i like your indexes. when are we going to see a grow from you?

 

[Ichabod Crane]

i just had to buy my second 50 lb bag of calcium nitrate. local farm supply. the bastards are ripping me off. i had to pay 30 bucks this time instead of 28. it lasted 3+ years.

Dang I will have to buy a bag of calcium nitrate now if it is going up. The last fifty pounds cost me dang near $19 with tax.

 

[delta9nxs]

Dang I will have to buy a bag of calcium nitrate now if it is going up. The last fifty pounds cost me dang near $19 with tax.

damn! that means these guys have been sticking it to me all along! next time i go over there i'm going to ream them over this price gouging shit! let's see, i should run out sometime in 2015.

but i'm really gonna give it to them then!

 

[delta9nxs]

WTF!

 

[ashesashes]

but i have gotten to the point where i don't believe it is all that critical with short term container crops. the studies i have seen on this indicate that the root pruned containers do not produce any more total root mass in the same time period.

...but it does effect root mass distribution/density throughout media...

 

[delta9nxs]

...but it does effect root mass distribution/density throughout media...

.....maybe.....maybe not.....

 

[Ichabod Crane]

damn! that means these guys have been sticking it to me all along! next time i go over there i'm going to ream them over this price gouging shit! let's see, i should run out sometime in 2015.

but i'm really gonna give it to them then!

Those bastards!!! It is just going to annoy the hell out of you till then huh.

 

[village green]

Flashbacks again again

Flashbacks again again

Thanks for waiting til this week to start flowering. It makes my procrastination so much easier. In all seriousness, though, you're running many more plants than I'm planning. I'm mainly following to guage your speed of vegging and to see if you have good results positioning your buds for both full canopy fill and optimum angle to light.

Although he hasn't tried a PPK, Ichabod takes about as long to fill his vert screens as I was hoping to use. His seem to have the height I'd like to get with and he has two stacked bulbs but his are more narrow. Trying to fill a circle with two plants may require much longer veg time.

I've seen some impressive walls of green in vert but these use a much higher number of plants. DHF adressed the problem of maximizing bud exposure to light by tilting plants toward the light.

One thing I miss from flat growing is the apical bud development. The top buds get complete coverage. Bud development and canopy density are also impressive in flat scrogs and one plant seems to fill a screen of good size fairly quickly (strain dependent of course). I still can't get away from wanting plant matter to completely encircle the bulb.

I have seen scrogs that are horizontal but shaped into a bowl or crater.

Here's where the flashbacks are probably to blame. I have no "sketchup" so I'll try to keep this simple.

Would buds grow to the bulb strong enough to overpower the effects of gravity? I'm thinking to try a PPK on the floor growing up into a scrog and another elevated with the upper plant trained to grow downwards to a scrog above the bulb..sort of like a Rotogrow or Omega Garden with only two plants and no rotation movement.

Would there be enough DLI to allow flip flopping a 1000 watt light on a relay between two such units?

Can't wait to see how yours fill in.

 

[Ichabod Crane]

Although he hasn't tried a PPK, Ichabod takes about as long to fill his vert screens as I was hoping to use. His seem to have the height I'd like to get with and he has two stacked bulbs but his are more narrow. Trying to fill a circle with two plants may require much longer veg time.

My screens are 2 feet wide, so I have 12 feet around the bulb. This gives me 48 square feet.

 

[village green]

My screens are 2 feet wide, so I have 12 feet around the bulb. This gives me 48 square feet.

Yeah I thought you had 4 foot vertical to play with. Don't you have a 600 and 1000 stacked?

 

[Ichabod Crane]

Yeah I thought you had 4 foot vertical to play with. Don't you have a 600 and 1000 stacked?

Yes a 600 and a 1000 because of heat issues.