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[Gascanastan]

Most good things come with age....including sativas in the growroom.

Coot....I'm close to a barley watering. I will be going into flower 2morrow and watering with the barley juice by thursday/friday...but the aloe was the shit so far.

 

[YosemiteSam]

So what's the most extreme display of 'praying hands' have any of you seen following an application of whatever?

Really curious for real......

I am still not sure about the praying hands thing. I want to see my leaves following the sun...flattening themselves to its position, taking in as much energy as possible.

When I sprayed with aloe they prayed for a while...but I figure that was to protect themselves from burning for a minute. And they pray in the morning until they find the sun...then get down to real business.

Again...I could be totally wrong.

 

[ClackamasCootz]

GC

Use both at the same time........

Watch closely - you won't believe it

 

[Gascanastan]

GC

Use both at the same time........

Watch closely - you won't believe it

I dunno...maybe I'd rather argue about salt...or poop.

Seriously...sounds good to me...I'll try to make the time to document with before and after pix.

 

[Gascanastan]

A lot of types of plants will actually turn leaves away from the sun when they get too much.....some types of cannabis do this...not all.

 

[IncredibowlBoss]

GC are you using full strength aloe?

 

[Gascanastan]

GC are you using full strength aloe?

@ 2 tablespoons per gallon then apply as a foliar. I have in the past added 1 gallon per 55 gallons of water and then watered into the soil...those results were not as impressive as the foliar..

 

[ClackamasCootz]

I dunno...maybe I'd rather argue about salt...or poop

"Groundhog Day" at ICMAG is over for me......

BTW the PGR in Alfalfa that everyone talks about, Triacontanol, is available as a stand-alone compound with much of it coming out of India. This compound is harvested from beeswax as it's easier to isolate than from Alfalfa. The product from India isn't cheap and is highly concentrated meaning that a solid understanding of application rates is mandatory.

Another method is to use sprouted Alfalfa seeds as the highest levels of Triacontanol are in the emerging tap root of this plant.

Ponder that one for a few minutes......

CC

 

[YosemiteSam]

I have pondered it. But I cannot figure out why I would want tria without the other stuff alfalfa brings to the table. It seems to me when you break these things down to a single ingridient you always end up missing something. I am really liking a few different teas

What am I missing?

 

[MrSterling]

Have you seen the hype over Girl Scout Cookies? It's like OG all over again

Don't even get me started on that shit. It's stuff like the OG hype and this that makes me think most of the people on ic don't even smoke, let alone grow. Things like "I bet if you mixed this cherry pie and blueberry it'll taste like cherry and blueberries." Just an absolute disconnect with reality.

And OG is overrated. It's so fucking narcotic and stupefying. All you can do is fall asleep on the couch. I laugh my ass off at these OG threads where someone is buying half a dozen different OG hybrids and convincing themselves they're as different as half a dozen human personalities.

 

[Neo 420]

Neo

What is 'GS' and is it a clone-only or a seed?

CC

"GS" is Girl Scout cookies (OG X Durban Poison X GDP - I think.) and it is seed. Pretty accurate how they have been describing here. Great taste, high is decent, short lasting. It will be out of style as the new fad rolls around.

 

[Neo 420]

Things like "I bet if you mixed this cherry pie and blueberry it'll taste like cherry and blueberries." Just an absolute disconnect with reality.

All 100% marketing... That is how they advertise that stuff and it sticks with more of the younger crowd.

 

[greenmatter]

"Groundhog Day" at ICMAG is over for me......

BTW the PGR in Alfalfa that everyone talks about, Triacontanol, is available as a stand-alone compound with much of it coming out of India. This compound is harvested from beeswax as it's easier to isolate than from Alfalfa. The product from India isn't cheap and is highly concentrated meaning that a solid understanding of application rates is mandatory.

Another method is to use sprouted Alfalfa seeds as the highest levels of Triacontanol are in the emerging tap root of this plant.

Ponder that one for a few minutes......

CC

i pondered for a minute and it sounds exactly like malting barley for beer to me.

what would the procedure be for using the sprouted alfalfa seed? roasting to stop growth and milling like beer? or is it something simple?

 

[ClackamasCootz]

i pondered for a minute and it sounds exactly like malting barley for beer to me.

what would the procedure be for using the sprouted alfalfa seed? roasting to stop growth and milling like beer? or is it something simple?

greenmatter

I'm not ignoring your question but it would be helpful to me if you could verify what I was taught at the San Francisco Baking Institute which was founded by the big players in the artisan bread deal. 6 month course with 3.5 weeks traveling in France to study the different regional breads.

I took this from the basic textbook on fermentation of bread dough:

What is Malt?

There are two types of malt and two forms of malt. The two types are diastatic malt and non-diastatic malt. The two forms are powder and syrup.
Diastatic Malt is made by sprouting a grain like wheat or barley, stopping the growing process after a few days. The sprouted grain is then carefully dried, the small roots rubbed off and the cleaned seeds ground (milled) into a powder. The resulting powder is then packaged for sale. The malt can also be converted to a syrup. Diastatic Malt contains a collection of enzymes that help the yeast to grow by breaking down starch into sugar. Since the yeast has more available sugar to feed on, it can grow faster and better, which enhances the rise and volume of the loaf.

Non-Diastatic Malt is a substitute for sugar and does not contain the enzymes to enhance the breakdown of starch into sugar. This malt is used as a source of sugar, so in a sense is it a substitute for the starch-into-sugar-converting ability of the diastatic malt.

It helps the rise of the dough, but only in so far as it is a sugar. In syrup form it adds a slight tan color to the dough. Of course, being a sugar, using too much of it may reduce the rise or adversely affect the taste of the bread or both.

BTW - the converted sugar is Maltose

Does any of that make sense from the perspective of a brewer?

Keep in mind that bakers yeast and brewers yeast are exactly the same fungi.

Thanks for your input.....

CC

 

[ixnay007]

ixnay007

Azomite (brand name), Bentonite, Zeolite, et al. = Montmorillonite clay

That's the word I was looking for, thanks.

 

[Gascanastan]

So here's a story of two plants...each is 'The One'.

Plant A

Pulled from veg room due to excessive PM and mites...put outside in the 5 gallon pot about two months ago.
As of today powdery mildew is gone...mites 99% gone. Extreme vegetative green lush growth...nothing but the rain watered this pot.
This plant was just now sprayed with 'ecosmart' organic plant based insect control and then entered the flower room where it will be monitored closely.


Plant B

The same age as plant A except was under indoor 24 hr. MH lighting...both are the same size at this point...but the one outside is much healthier...same soil,same water,same plant...only difference..SUN vs. HID lighting. Plus plant B received sprays every 3 to 5 days for mites.

I might also add that the plant B under 24 hr. lighting is the same size as the plant A that received the summer lighting outside...which of course means it had several hrs. darkness.

In hindsight I could have vegged everything outside and saved $$$ on lighting,time on insect/mold spraying and had naturally healthier plants. Same time frame...same size...ready for flower.


Again...more proof that the cannabis plant can take care of itself just fine without us...and actually do better than what the indoor environment can provide as far as lighting and natural pest/disease resistance.

 

[ClackamasCootz]

EcoSmart - Rosemary Oil

 

[MrSterling]

Are the myriad of Kush-named strains remotely connected to the Kush Valley?

Or am I just being stupid?

There are strains that originate still from the Kush Valley. Cannabiogen's "Pakistani Chitral Kush" comes to mind. But for the most part when people say "Kush" they mean "OG Kush" which is so far away from a true Kush plant it's not even funny. Imagine if you bought some chocolate-vanilla swirl ice cream, then ate all the chocolate, but kept calling your container of vanilla ice cream chocolate. People get so silly with these names. A strain can have had some sort of "strawberry" in its name eight generations back, but because of the naming conventions it'll somehow still have "strawberry" in the name, and the younguns will all be claiming they can taste the strawberries. It's like "the emperor's new clothes". There are a lot of different smells and tastes to pot, but I've never tasted things the way people here on the ic make it out to be.

 

[MrSterling]

So here's a story of two plants...each is 'The One'.

Plant A

Pulled from veg room due to excessive PM and mites...put outside in the 5 gallon pot about two months ago.
As of today powdery mildew is gone...mites 99% gone. Extreme vegetative green lush growth...nothing but the rain watered this pot.
This plant was just now sprayed with 'ecosmart' organic plant based insect control and then entered the flower room where it will be monitored closely.


Plant B

The same age as plant A except was under indoor 24 hr. MH lighting...both are the same size at this point...but the one outside is much healthier...same soil,same water,same plant...only difference..SUN vs. HID lighting. Plus plant B received sprays every 3 to 5 days for mites.

I might also add that the plant B under 24 hr. lighting is the same size as the plant A that received the summer lighting outside...which of course means it had several hrs. darkness.

In hindsight I could have vegged everything outside and saved $$$ on lighting,time on insect/mold spraying and had naturally healthier plants. Same time frame...same size...ready for flower.


Again...more proof that the cannabis plant can take care of itself just fine without us...and actually do better than what the indoor environment can provide as far as lighting and natural pest/disease resistance.

Sorry to play this game Stan, but is this related to Sannnie's "The One" at all?

 

[ClackamasCootz]

There are strains that originate still from the Kush Valley. Cannabiogen's "Pakistani Chitral Kush" comes to mind. But for the most part when people say "Kush" they mean "OG Kush" which is so far away from a true Kush plant it's not even funny. Imagine if you bought some chocolate-vanilla swirl ice cream, then ate all the chocolate, but kept calling your container of vanilla ice cream chocolate. People get so silly with these names. A strain can have had some sort of "strawberry" in its name eight generations back, but because of the naming conventions it'll somehow still have "strawberry" in the name, and the younguns will all be claiming they can taste the strawberries. It's like "the emperor's new clothes". There are a lot of different smells and tastes to pot, but I've never tasted things the way people here on the ic make it out to be.

Sound way above my feeble brain....