Week 10 of 12/12 and no buds

[shakeyatl]

The Setup:

Vegetative & Clones

2.5 X 4 X 8 closet
Sun Blaze T5 - 44, 4ft - 4 bulb ( 20,000 lumen )
24" oscillating fan
Organo starter plugs later transferred to Fox Farm Oceans Forrest in 3 gal. pots

Just added co2 aug 9th

Avg. temp 78f humidity 55% 16/8 light cycle

Flowering

2' x 4' x 6.5' Mylar lined tent
400 watt 6" Air Conditioned H.P.S. Lamp
10" Carbon filter piped to a 6" inline fan moving 440 C.F.M.
1 6" oscillating fan
3 gal. pots filled with FFOF

Avg. temp 76f humidity 50% 12/12 light cycle

I Have been feeding Iguana Juice and gradually stepping up the strength until I noticed a little burn about 4 weeks ago and then reduced solution a little and no longer have burn issues.

I also added another group of plants to flower 4 weeks ago (from the same mother) these plants are doing great nice bud sites litter the whole thing.

I am really ready to just trash the 4 older plant to make room for my super lemon haze and some og kush but don't wanna run into this problem again with more costly genetics

This is my first soil grow. I have grown hydro in the past with much better results so far. The only reason s for going organic was 1 it's supposed to be a little more forgiving and better for you. Damn it's kickin my skinny white a$$ though.

All feeding solutions are ph adjusted to 6.0 and fed every 3-4 days or as soil drys

I just recently added Jamaican Bat Guano to the feeding regimen but the bag suggest only adding every 3-4 weeks

Any and all advice is welcome even big f in ??? would make me feel better but with the wealth of information and knowledge found on this site I see a solution in my future

 

[Nicoli]

Do you have any pics? How bad did you burn them? Nute burn can slow down growth tremendously if it's bad.

 

[shakeyatl]

I can get a pic later today but the burn was minimal noticed lowers starting to brown on tips and flushed with clean water then dialed the nute solution back a couple notches haven't noticed any burn spreading in the last 4 weeks and plants look super healthy just no pretty flowers

 

[gaiusmarius]

could it be that your timer is burned out and leaving the lights on 24/7? there really is no other explanation then they are getting light when they should be in the dark. cannabis need 12 hours uninterrupted darkness to flower, it normally takes them from 2 to 4 weeks of 12 hour nights, to show the first signs of flowering, depending on strain.

 

[Frozenguy]

There aren't any light leaks? What strain is this, how long is it supposed to flower? something is seriously up if it hasn't shown buds in 10 weeks.

How are you using CO2? I would stop using it until you have your grow dialed in and you've maxed out your limits. I've used CO2 before and if not done correctly, it wont do anything and possibly even slow growth because the plants take time to adjust to new CO2 levels and unless the room is completely sealed with a good CO2 delivery system (with monitor), the levels wont be consistent.

 

[shakeyatl]

could it be that your timer is burned out and leaving the lights on 24/7? there really is no other explanation then they are getting light when they should be in the dark. cannabis need 12 hours uninterrupted darkness to flower, it normally takes them from 2 to 4 weeks of 12 hour nights, to show the first signs of flowering, depending on strain.

The lights are off at night and there are no windows in the room where I have my tent for light to leak in. the strain is california orange bud it is supposed to take 12 weeks of 12/12 to finish out. the second cycle of plants added about 4 weeks ago look great it's just the four original clones that are stuck for the lack of a better word

 

[shakeyatl]

There aren't any light leaks? What strain is this, how long is it supposed to flower? something is seriously up if it hasn't shown buds in 10 weeks.

How are you using CO2? I would stop using it until you have your grow dialed in and you've maxed out your limits. I've used CO2 before and if not done correctly, it wont do anything and possibly even slow growth because the plants take time to adjust to new CO2 levels and unless the room is completely sealed with a good CO2 delivery system (with monitor), the levels wont be consistent.

my co2 setup is in my vegg closet which isn't really sealed, but hasn't been a problem in the past. I only run co2 for 7 minutes every hour while the lights are off. The strain is California orange bud which I was told would finish out in 12 weeks.

 

[dmt]

woe man, start over. you are wasting precious time, space, material and labour. take a note to avoid the issue next run, good luck, d

 

[shakeyatl]

Strain of Mj? Cali orange bud
Hydroponic or soil? Soil (fox Farms Oceans Forrest)
From seed or clone? Clone
Age of plant in question? 16 weeks (10weeks 12/12)
What stage (Veg/Flower; how many days into)? Flower
Medium (Soil, Rockwool, Hydroton etc.)? Soil FFOF
Container/Pot size? 3 gal
Have they been transplanted, if so how long ago? yes, 12 weeks ago
If soil, composition ratios (peat moss, perilite, vermiculite etc.)?
Water runoff Ph? 6.1
Nutrients added? Iguana Juice Bloom and jamaican bat guano fed once a couple days ago
Ratios of nutrients (N% P% K%)? Iguana Juice4-3-6 J.B.G.
1-10-0.2
Feeding schedule? as soil drys approx. every 3-4 days
When were they last fed/watered? Last night
How are you determining when to feed/water (weight, wilting, etc.)? soil dryness / weight
TDS/EC/PPM?
Tap/RO/Distilled water? tap at 50 ppm
Ph before and after adding nutrients? 6.8 6.1
Is your Ph equipment properly calibrated? ye every time I water
Light intensity/Age of bulb/Wattage?1800 / 2.5 months / 400 h.p.s.
Distance to the canopy? 18 inches
Temps at canopy? 81
Temps at root zone or reservoir? 79
Day/Night temps (Min.-Max.)? 82-74
Current air flow (CFM)? 440
Is there air blowing directly onto plant? yes very lightly lowest fan setting
Using CO2? not in flower chamber where the prob is
Relative humidity? 50-55
Growing technique (Scrog, Sog, Supercropping etc.)? scrog
Has plant recently been pruned, clones taken, fimmed or pinched?no
Pests? none
Chemicals used to eradicate?
If so,When?

 

[shakeyatl]

woe man, start over. you are wasting precious time, space, material and labour. take a note to avoid the issue next run, good luck, d

I am ready to dump them but would like to pinpoint what exactly I screwed up on in order to prevent losing more money on the expensive gentics I am about to add. I would rather waste a little time and a little money now and solve the problem than just to push on and end up losing out big.

 

[Frozenguy]

my co2 setup is in my vegg closet which isn't really sealed, but hasn't been a problem in the past. I only run co2 for 7 minutes every hour while the lights are off. The strain is California orange bud which I was told would finish out in 12 weeks.

Hm.. I dont really know whats going on with your flowering plants, other then a severe soil/nute problem.
The CO2 is being wasted. And I personally think it may even slow down growth since the plants are constantly expending energy to adjust their leaves to the "new" CO2 level. Its a roller coaster the way you're doing it. If you have the $$ to burn and aren't worried about inconsistent grow perameters then keep on using it. Otherwise, fix your problems, dial out your grow, get a monitor, seal up the room and then use CO2.

Your tap water is ppm of 50? Do you have a water softener at home? If you rent, you may not know, so contact your landlord. Also, the water district (source) may soften your water. Its a free report, call them up or go online (most water districts offer this online) and see if they soften your water. If they do, they are exhanging the Mag and Cal for Sodium, which is lethal to MJ plants. Eh, I guess your plants aren't dieing, but still something to look into.

Are your four new budding plants in the soil from the same bag as the stunted plants? I have run into a "bad" bag of fox farm that stunted plants.

Also, you said you're feeding with every watering? Is that correct? I

 

[aasin527]

plants don't use c02 when light isn't present. in minute levels. and please don't take this as hostile cause it's not, but go grab a couple books on growing. trial and error is part of it too. my first grow way back when turned out great. second grow, not so great. you start to add things you don't NEED and screw things up. i know it's not you're first, but get your room down give it a round or 2, and go from there. although 10 weeks is a long time to see nothing

 

[shakeyatl]

Hm.. I dont really know whats going on with your flowering plants, other then a severe soil/nute problem.
The CO2 is being wasted. And I personally think it may even slow down growth since the plants are constantly expending energy to adjust their leaves to the "new" CO2 level. Its a roller coaster the way you're doing it. If you have the $$ to burn and aren't worried about inconsistent grow perameters then keep on using it. Otherwise, fix your problems, dial out your grow, get a monitor, seal up the room and then use CO2.

Your tap water is ppm of 50? Do you have a water softener at home? If you rent, you may not know, so contact your landlord. Also, the water district (source) may soften your water. Its a free report, call them up or go online (most water districts offer this online) and see if they soften your water. If they do, they are exhanging the Mag and Cal for Sodium, which is lethal to MJ plants. Eh, I guess your plants aren't dieing, but still something to look into.

Are your four new budding plants in the soil from the same bag as the stunted plants? I have run into a "bad" bag of fox farm that stunted plants.

Also, you said you're feeding with every watering? Is that correct? I

Actuallly I did use up all the old bag of soil and had to get another of the same ffof.. but some are still in first bag and seem ok I also noticed that the ffof is pretty resistant to ph changes it took 5 weeks to drop from 7.1 to 6.5 and it won't go lower. This coud be due to my 12$ soil meter but hydro shop (i didn't buy it there) said to trust it

No I feed 16ml Iguana bloom and 2 tsp guano per gallon, then once the soil is fairly dry on the top I feed 10 ml Iguana juice per gal then I feed straight ph adjusted water the next time then repeat.

My runoff mearsures 900 ppm which is a 200ppm jump from the feed solutions ppm (720ish) and the water goes in 6.0 and comes off at 6.2

I will check on the water in a few minutes if it is available online and repost what I find.

Not to argue with you about the co2 but the vegg plants seem to love it. 3 days after introduction my plant had grown a good 2.5 inches only running it at night with the fans and lights off.

If I notice any probs in the vegg chamber I will definitely look at the co2 first though. I was unaware that fluctuations in co2 levels would affect growth rates. Good info to have. All you ever here is how great co2 is no one ever tells you the down sides.

Money really isn't that much of an issue, I do on the other hand try not to just throw it away. with that said what brand of meter do you use and how much was it. I have found co2 meters that meter and adjust flow rate to reach 1500ppm and keep it there more efficiently but it was very costly.

 

[shakeyatl]

plants don't use c02 when light isn't present. in minute levels. and please don't take this as hostile cause it's not, but go grab a couple books on growing. trial and error is part of it too. my first grow way back when turned out great. second grow, not so great. you start to add things you don't NEED and screw things up. i know it's not you're first, but get your room down give it a round or 2, and go from there. although 10 weeks is a long time to see nothing

I have read many books from Tod Mcormick, Jorge Cervantes Ed Rosentahll, Chris Eudaley etc. almost to the point of info overload hard time remembering what I read where I read it.

the only reason I introduced it to begin with was I noticed that none of my vegging plants seemed to be growing very fast. I remember in hydro plants would reach 12-18 inches in 30 days. My soil girls where lucky to be 8 inches tall in 30 days is this just a diff between soil and hydro.

I can halt co2 injection right now but the plants really seem to like it (a lot) and so far I have had no troubles in my vegg chamber where the co2 is present. All the problems are upstairs in my flowering room and these plants have never had co2 injection. I just recently setup the co2 downstairs in the vegg

No hurt feelings here appreciate all the responses. I will have pictures later once the lights are on

 

[bromhexine]

very strange even with light leaks you should see some sign of budding. what can slow flowering is lights leaking from power bars and things like that but im sure at this point you've been in the grow room at dark cycle. ive heard of a few people accidently setting the timers wrong you might want to double check that also where are the seeds from? looking forward to pics.

 

[alien12]

I only run co2 for 7 minutes every hour while the lights are off.

theres your prob, try running co2 during lights on only, none at night.

 

[shakeyatl]

theres your prob, try running co2 during lights on only, none at night.

sorry but the prob is in the flower chamber no co2 is run here

I only run co2 in the vegg

 

[shakeyatl]

very strange even with light leaks you should see some sign of budding. what can slow flowering is lights leaking from power bars and things like that but im sure at this point you've been in the grow room at dark cycle. ive heard of a few people accidently setting the timers wrong you might want to double check that also where are the seeds from? looking forward to pics.

They are from clones. I have checked the lights they are fine the problem is only present in 4 of 8 plants the four affected have been in for 10 weeks and 4 others for 4 weks the newer plants are doing great nice bud sites all over the plants but the four originals are just chillin

I will drop a plug though. I got some seed from everyonedoesit.com great service the seeds arrived in 7 days and so far all 5 slh germed and 2of 3 free roadrunner #1 have germed I would highly recommend Everyonedoesit.com fast and discrete

 

[superbolan]

do you have any switches or power strips in the room with leds? Have you gone in the tent with light off to check? I had a red light on a switch cause me trouble first time i grew indoors, all the plants near the light did not bloom.
just trying to help

 

[shakeyatl]

no if you sit in my grow tent with the lights off you can't tell if yours eyes are open or closed. it's pitch black I almost couldn't find the zipper to open the tent to get out

had a little panic attack smoked a doob all is good