Tutorial Organics for Beginners

[John Deere]

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These are in LC's mix w/nute mix #1 (blood, bone, kelp) and things are turning a bit yellow on me. I hit them with ewc/molasses ACT around once a week and occasionally I'll add a bit of kelp meal to the tea. I've also got some GO Biomarine ('cold processed enzymatically digested squid protein' per the label) sitting around if that might help. Suggestions? Top dress with something? Appreciate any help. Thanks.

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[skullznroses]

These are in LC's mix w/nute mix #1 (blood, bone, kelp) and things are turning a bit yellow on me. I hit them with ewc/molasses ACT around once a week and occasionally I'll add a bit of kelp meal to the tea. I've also got some GO Biomarine ('cold processed enzymatically digested squid protein' per the label) sitting around if that might help. Suggestions? Top dress with something? Appreciate any help. Thanks.

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Yeah dude, top dress with nitrogen. A healthy cannabis plant indoors needs soluble nitrogen, and yours were healthy. Now they have run out of nitrogen. Looks like your soil mix is only good through week 3 of flower homie g. Give them something with N and P and you will be fine.

Earth Juice
Neptunes Harvest
Age old Organics
Fox Farm

get some grow and bloom in one of these brands and use a little with your water.

111165Jerry- You have no pictures, and you have no deficiencies, whop dee do bro. 8 ph for ganja sucks major balls. terrible advice. Organics FTW... meh

 

[Scrappy4]

Yeah dude, top dress with nitrogen. A healthy cannabis plant indoors needs soluble nitrogen, and yours were healthy. Now they have run out of nitrogen. Looks like your soil mix is only good through week 3 of flower homie g. Give them something with N and P and you will be fine.

Earth Juice
Neptunes Harvest
Age old Organics
Fox Farm

get some grow and bloom in one of these brands and use a little with your water.

111165Jerry- You have no pictures, and you have no deficiencies, whop dee do bro. 8 ph for ganja sucks major balls. terrible advice. Organics FTW... meh

Organic plants do not need soluble nutrients. Making materials soluble is the job of soil microbes in organic growing. And Jerry makes a good point on deficiencies, but once again it gets down to soil microbes. There is no substitute for a good quality compost (20%) or earth worm castings in your mix. That is where our microbes come from' and why we make compost teas' it's all about the microbes. When you get this part right there will be zero deficiencies. Most of what growers think of as deficiencies are lockouts from unbalanced soil mixes, and growers piling on bottle after bottle of the lastest grow store fad. You can use those "nutes" on your compost pile though, so there is that.

On high ph water, you might want to buy some citric acid" look in grocery stores around canning supplies. It is very cheap. Anyway take a tsp or so and put it in a squirt top water bottle, shake it well and use a squirt or two to bring down the ph of your water. Works like a charm. I gather this is what earth juice down is.......scrappy

 

[Scrappy4]

These are in LC's mix w/nute mix #1 (blood, bone, kelp) and things are turning a bit yellow on me. I hit them with ewc/molasses ACT around once a week and occasionally I'll add a bit of kelp meal to the tea. I've also got some GO Biomarine ('cold processed enzymatically digested squid protein' per the label) sitting around if that might help. Suggestions? Top dress with something? Appreciate any help. Thanks.

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John Deere, I would top dress with earth worm castings. Homemade castings would be best, maybe try Craig's list over store bought that sits around in plastic bags. I like to make a slurry with water and castings then drench that in. Then follow that up with a kelp meal tea. I just use kelp meal and water, then bubble it for a day or two.

The idea behind my advice is I doubt you have a high end compost in your mix. If the microbes are lacking, piling on more stuff is fraught with troubles. The microbes from good compost or properly made ACT, will make soil nutrients available to your plants. Think of a rain forest, do they need 10ml of fox farm? Scrappy

 

[John Deere]

Thanks Scrappy4. No local ewc that I can find. The bag I bought is from a farm a couple hours away, bought it at a pretty highly recommended local family owned garden center. It appears pretty fresh and good but I don't really know.

Suggestions on the slurry? How much ewc to how much water? Same with the kelp meal tea.

And then I'm guessing I should brew my ACT more often than I am?

No need for the fish?

Thanks for the suggestions.

 

[John Deere]

I just found the following. I'll be mixing it up tomorrow.

True Kelp Meal Tea Recipe

5 gallons of pure water
2 oz. of Kelp meal

Stick an airstone in the bucket and bubble for 48 hours or so - kelp meal tea

Take the material (which still contains up to 50% of 'da good stuff' so use it to top dress plants, cover with compost or worm castings. Better yet would be to feed the kelp meal to your worms - huge upgrade on the final worm castings, etc.

"Multi-use" for about $1.50 per lb. (blow me price but still far less than powders @ $25.00 per lb. with far less benefit)

 

[ClackamasCootz]

If you have Alfalfa meal then toss in about 1/2 cup with the kelp meal

 

[John Deere]

Thanks, CC. I don't have any ATM but I'm going to look for some. A lot of the info around here's over my head but I'm learning.

 

[ClackamasCootz]

You'll do fine with the kelp meal by itself. IOW, I wouldn't put this on hold - just add it on the next batch.

HTH

CC

 

[budman678]

i am just getting into organics...and have finally come to the realization that my city water aint gonna cut it. i just ordered a hydrologic tallboy with carbon filter for chloramine....

i have mixed up subcool's supersoil...going to be uppotting into 5gall geopots with 50% SS

 

[Scrappy4]

Budman, one of the real nice things about growing in soil organically is that you can use a wide variety of waters. Unless your water is truly horrible anyway. If you read the water thread now going in the main section here you will see folks taking care of water like yours with a little organic material. Ewc would work fine. When I'm feeling ambitious and want to make a actively areated compost tea (ACT OR AACT) I fill up some buckets with pond water. My thinking there is this water should be full of life. But all winter I use city water and sometimes my plants get regular tap water right from the tap and I've yet to have water related troubles. While I can't say you will be this lucky, I would not spend hundreds to take care of a ten cent problem.....scrappy

 

[budman678]

Budman, one of the real nice things about growing in soil organically is that you can use a wide variety of waters. Unless your water is truly horrible anyway. If you read the water thread now going in the main section here you will see folks taking care of water like yours with a little organic material. Ewc would work fine. When I'm feeling ambitious and want to make a actively areated compost tea (ACT OR AACT) I fill up some buckets with pond water. My thinking there is this water should be full of life. But all winter I use city water and sometimes my plants get regular tap water right from the tap and I've yet to have water related troubles. While I can't say you will be this lucky, I would not spend hundreds to take care of a ten cent problem.....scrappy

absolutely great advice...all tap is different in different locations i would retort. in talking to some local folks that grow, they all said they noticed a difference with the water when they started filtering it.

i will be using this for my other veggies and herbs and possibly drinking water.

 

[Scrappy4]

Fair enough budman, I can see you gave it some thought. Best of luck.....scrappy

 

[JoeDudeGuy]

111165Jerry- You have no pictures, and you have no deficiencies, whop dee do bro. 8 ph for ganja sucks major balls. terrible advice. Organics FTW... meh

This makes me laugh very hard as his pics have a gravity all on their own ! Jerry knows his organics, and never gives terrible advice.

Hey Jerry

 

[John Deere]

If you have Alfalfa meal then toss in about 1/2 cup with the kelp meal

I found alfalfa pellets at the local feed store today--big-ass bag that'll last me years! Do I need to grind them up or will they dissolve while the tea's bubbling?

I'd like to add some to my bin of soil mix in the garage, too. Any idea how much? Thx.

 

[ClackamasCootz]

You don't need to grind them for the botanical tea but I would suggest doing so if you're going to add to the soil.

Though there's a much easier way that taking a mallet and smashing them - mix about 2 cups of water to 1/2 cup of the Alfalfa pellets and let them sit until they hydrate.

Mix that with your humus source before you mix in your peat moss, etc.

HTH

 

[Higher Laws]

ah HA!

Found you, LD/CQ/CC!

Glad to see you are still sharing your plentiful knowledge of organics. I'll be lurking...

 

[Durdy]

Hello all.

Quick question. I've been using the guano tea recipes to feed the gals this year and it has been working great. However the store I get my Peruvian seabird guano at has been un-able to obtain it and I'm all out and need to make some feeds!

The question is could I use half mexican guano (10-0-0) and half Indonesian (.1-13-.3) to create something similar to the seabird (12 - 13 - 1) ?

 

[Neo 420]

Maybe CC has more info on the p guano but there seems to be no more shipments on route to the US. I think this has to do with the people mining the quano were having health problems due to dust. Or that some of the islands being mined are almost below sea level now.

 

[ClackamasCootz]

Import Genius is a commercial database where you can trace any shipment by a number of avenues - commodity, broker, shipper, consignee, etc. It isn't free however but they do offer some kind of 'free demo' and I couldn't tell much about that but at the very least you could use their 'demo' and find what you need on whatever.

For example here is a recent shipment of Seabird Guano

Guano Rojo S.a. Exports Products: consigned to Guano Co. Internacional Inc. in Oakland, California

The scheduled arrival date was 11 July 2012 and I confirmed that it did arrive on 10 July 2012 and this specific container was offloaded on 12 July 2012

So what you could do is to send an email to the consignee for information on their distribution network, i.e. brokers, forwards, packers, etc.

HTH

CC