Girl Scout Cookies

[Dr.Dank]

Well I'm back from my trip!! Got to sample some really nice cannabis and meet some cool
Guys thanks! I really like a seeded sample that I'm smoking on right now... I believe it's Animal cookies or cookies not sure this reminds me alot of a purple wreck we grew in Florida very similar taste and structure. Cookies have been put to veg and will be cloning this next few days... I can't wait to grow some exotic rapper herb

 

[LumpStatus]

So....technically i should be able to change my two 1k over a 4x8 to two 400w and get almost the same results? Hmmmm. I call bullshit, but then again i have never tried. This would give me 25w psf exceeding your benchmark by about 10w psf. If you honestly think this will work out nearly the same let me know. Changing out bulbs and ballasts would be a much easier experiment than rearanging my entire room to have an 8' area as i run perpetually.

 

[NorCal]

LOL Oh Man. the GSC and animal cookies don't taste anything like purple train wreck. Post up some pix of the cuts and the nugs so we can see what it's all about. you end up going to any cool places while you were out here?

 

[LumpStatus]

Personally I find grams per watt to be a pretty useless metric for meownself. The more pounds I get per grow the more dollars I put in my pocket. And I freely admit I am too big a pussy to go over 99

The only people that should find grams per watt useless are those who are stealing power... otherwise grams per watt mean everything. So you are cool with getting 0.1 gpw as long as you get the total yield you are looking for?

;-)

 

[Big City]

What would be the most effective method for flowering GSC/ lower yielders for medical patients with limits.

For instance, many are limited to 12 plants in flower/ 12 in veg at any given time. Add in, the need to keep mothers, and it makes things even more difficult.

Maybe, vertical with 6 plants in a circle around a 1k or 2 stacked 600's?

 

[megayields]

I want some "Kickapoo juice"!

 

[Bi0hazard]

Big City,

Use LST training and topping on strains that like to be topped.

Also look into Plant Grafting for your mother plants. You can take a side branch/cut from another plant and connect it to your mother, and label each side branch. 1 Mother can have 20 side-branches each growing cuts of different strains, so you can store 10-20 strains on a single plant.

I think designating 3 mother plants and storing the same 15 strains on each of them as a backup, would free up a lot of room for more veg/perpetual growing - and ensure each strain was well backed up across 3 grafted mothers...

Definitely worth looking into for anyone who has plant count number limits...

 

[Yes4Prop215]

people are saying it yields low because they arent being vegged enough...give them a nice 4-6 weeks and they get real bushy and the yield will be better....after week 2-3 of veg, start training them, or take clones from the top main branches, my best plants are the ones that i let get a foot tall, then take a 3-4inch clone from the main shoot, then the 3 nodes below all develope into main branches......while im flowering one batch, i already got the next one in the veg room, if you are without veg or strictly commercial this will be harder to do, so maybe SOG is better for you...

of course if you dont top/train it will yield poorly just like OG kush....train OG properly and you get colas flopping all over the place, cookies is similar except minus the flopping..i wuold say the yield is teh same if not more than my SFV cut, the SFV colas are bigger but not as dense..

everyone who has posted flower pics so far seems like the colas are small...but once you dial in they will get bigger..i seen way bigger colas from GSC, golfball sized and up, and some that are smaller but stretch down the branch to form 8th nugs... also those 600s probably have to do with it.....my 1kw nugs are bigger than the nugs i have under a 1kw dimmed to 600....size is nothing compared to quality, id rather have small dense nuggets of goodness than big larfy subpar flowers. had to dim one of my lights because they stretched a little to far... im in week 3-4 and already have frost curling up the sides of the fan leaves....

 

[m4n]

There's a guy on youtube baypaulwall or bayspaulwall....his.camera sucks but he has cherry pie and gsc bushes...looks to be 2 of each under a 1000 but they are about 5 feet tall atleast...dont know if it the real cut or.not but the yield looks close to cherry pie and the nugs look pretty big

 

[nomaad]

i will try this method as soon as I have 8x8 of space to spare.

 

[YosemiteSam]

The only people that should find grams per watt useless are those who are stealing power... otherwise grams per watt mean everything. So you are cool with getting 0.1 gpw as long as you get the total yield you are looking for?

;-)

If I could get the same yield with half the light of course that is how I would do it. But plant count is tight in CO...so if I can get 50% more in the same area with an extra light, that extra light is worth it. My grams per watt would be lower but my profit would be higher.

And maybe it is just my lack of reading comprehension but I am not sure I read where Tom said cut your light in half and match the pounds in an area.

If I had plenty of space and mucho plant count then I would give this a try in a heart beat.

wtf do you guys pay for a kwh? Enron did not rape us...so we have a little better rate I suspect. A 15 kw flower room and 4kw veg cost me about a $1000 a month...including a/c, fans, etc. So if I cut that in half I save a little over $1000 per grow...if I lose 1/2 a pound per grow it has cost me money...regardless of my internet bragging rights.

And not saying Tom can't do it (nothing but respect)...but the question is can I...and that is a lot more questionable.

edit...I would not be cool at all with 0.1 grams per watt, I would be a retired grower. But with a 15 flowering plant limit, grwoing trees I can avg 1.6 per light...on tables I know I can avg 2 with my strains, but I could only run 1/2 a table and still be legal.

Just sayin different situation requires different metrics is all.

 

[krunchbubble]

A 15 kw flower room and 4kw veg cost me about a $1000 a month...including a/c, fans, etc.

WHAT THE GODAMN FUCK?!?!?!

19k+ for $1000 a month?

Here In The Bay Area - Commercial - $2500-$3500 a month...

Residential - $4k-$5k+, Some Residential - $8k+

 

[Dr.Dank]

LOL Oh Man. the GSC and animal cookies don't taste anything like purple train wreck. Post up some pix of the cuts and the nugs so we can see what it's all about. you end up going to any cool places while you were out here?

Well the sample I got was quite tasty I'm pretty sure I had the real deal I don't have my doubts. I'll
Post pics later I'm currently really busy with different projects but will
Hopefully take a tray of cookies later on today(clones). Thank you guys.

 

[Tom Hill]

Lumpy no, nobody said anything about 400's, they don't penetrate for shit ime. The only light I would push out like this is the 1k, vertically hung, in the old flying saucer cone reflectors. It works great, no bullshit.

 

[Hydrosun]

WHAT THE GODAMN FUCK?!?!?!

19k+ for $1000 a month?

Here In The Bay Area - Commercial - $2500-$3500 a month...

Residential - $4k-$5k+, Some Residential - $8k+

Anyone see the Frontline documentary on Enron and the energy traders raping the shit out of California? Awesome viewing.

Anywho that is why our Sunshine state friends are paying through the nose now more than ever

Government fucking sucks.

 

[LumpStatus]

Well i figured hid is hid. Plus im running sog so dont need major penetrating power. Lumens are lumens as far as im concerned. Have you ever ran a 400w over a 4x4 area or are you just guessing? 4 400 watt lights over a 8x8 area would be the same lumen lumen output as 1 1kw over the same area. Does your "penetrating" power not diminish significantly the further away the plants are with only one light?

So i could still test your theory with a 4x8 table by removing one light and center it over the table. I should be able to get .5 gpw since i only have half the plants?

Whoever is paying 1000 per mo for 19kw is a lucky person. I pay up to .60 cents per kw on third tier!

 

[krunchbubble]

Well i figured hid is hid. Plus im running sog so dont need major penetrating power. Lumens are lumens as far as im concerned. Have you ever ran a 400w over a 4x4 area or are you just guessing? 4 400 watt lights over a 8x8 area would be the same lumen lumen output as 1 1kw over the same area. Does your "penetrating" power not diminish significantly the further away the plants are with only one light?

So i could still test your theory with a 4x8 table by removing one light and center it over the table. I should be able to get .5 gpw since i only have half the plants?

Whoever is paying 1000 per mo for 19kw is a lucky person. I pay up to .60 cents per kw on third tier!

Im assuming you have NEVER flowered with a 400?

1000 watt bulbs lose half there lumens, every foot, from the bulb....

400 watters lose 1/2 there lumens every 6", the penetration is just NOT there for 400's....

 

[Hydrosun]

HID is not HID as it goes, because of the reality that light diminishes at distance. The rate of decay or fall off is huge. Light decreases at a rate of 1 / distance^2 (or distance squared).

That means that a light 3' away is 1/9th as powerful as a light 1' away. 5' away we are talking 1/25th as powerful, so with a light in the center of an 8x8 (64sq') the corners will be more than 5' away from the bulb suspended above. 400w / 25 would suck ass

 

[LumpStatus]

I have flowered with 600 once and 1000 for years...

I understand light diminishes but we are already talking about going from 60+w psf to around 15. So...with 400s you can use more lights and keep them closer to the plants, no?

The whole theory tom has brought up has really got me thinking. Do you guys really think i can increase my yield from .6+ gpw to over 1gpw using HALF the power?

 

[krunchbubble]

I have flowered with 600 once and 1000 for years...

I understand light diminishes but we are already talking about going from 60+w psf to around 15. So...with 400s you can use more lights and keep them closer to the plants, no?

The whole theory tom has brought up has really got me thinking. Do you guys really think i can increase my yield from .6+ gpw to over 1gpw using HALF the power?

YES....

Some of the best yielding rooms ive ever been in, had there lights mounted to the ceiling and was not lowered at all, just tons of plants on the ground...

Im sure you have seen JackOffMajors grows?

Recently, I have noticed my plants are yielding better without the high, intense wattage....

Im was running 1k per 2X4 tray, until recently. Now, Lights as high as they go and plants on the ground, there FUCKING loving it and getting some hugs buds.....