How do you achieve 1gpw??

[dj digigrow]

I just want to know who is right?!

There is no right and wrong , its all preference!

 

[rives]

hi bobblehead, its proven physics really. light from a point source follows the inverse square rule i.e. it gets weaker very quickly as you move away from the source...

In addition to the inverse square law, the irregularity of the surface of the wall-covering reflective material and the very low level of reflectivity work against the wallpaper-cum-reflector idea. You can look at the background in BH's picture and see what I'm talking about - while it is undoubtedly of some benefit, I would be very surprised if the reflectivity reaches 20%. It would be similar to making a reflector for your Maglite by flattening out crumpled aluminum foil and moving it back several inches from the lamp. Better than nothing, but it wouldn't approach the performance of a good reflector.

 

[growyourboat]

rubbish, a 6k horizontal grow will have at least 6 lights and, arranged in a grid, the plants will still get light from multiple lamps, also canopy can be enlarged a little because of the footprint overlap.

Nowhere near as much

again, you arent understanding how light works. the overlap will increase efficiency in both horizontal or vertical

Not to the same extent.

I understand light just fine thanks, it's not exactly rocket science. (Though I guess it might seem like it to you.)

did you just see me post something about angle of incidence on the last page and then try and say the opposite here?

No, I'm pretty sure I didn't "try" to do anything. I did say just the opposite. Your assertion in the other thread about angle of incidence is bullshit.

plants have evolved to recieve the strongest light from overhead or the highest angle of the day (midday), so how can throwing light at them from the side be more natural???

What the fuck is natural at all about an indoor grow under controlled conditions?

Not exactly to see the iceberg sized holes in your "logic" here.

We don't grow plants according to what's "natural." We grow them according to what yields, and what produces a superior product.

like bobblehead says, plants can adapt very well to vert grows, but i doubt there is anyone else here growing vert who would try to claim that plants grow more naturally in vert than horizontal, thats just ridiculous.

You're ridiculous.

The plants in my vert grow are happy as can be. There is zero excess stretch. The plant structure is perfectly formed, with much higher density, and much less trimming or popcorn than would otherwise occur.

Sorry that your own mastery of growing has not yet caught up to the level necessary to achieve success in vert, but give it time.....try stepping outside of your comfort zone for a change.....you'll get there.

my argument was that they adapt to vert grows but it may not be as 'ideal' or 'optimum' as receiving light from overhead as they have evolved to do.

OK, so that's your assertion. Which is flat out wrong, according to the results 100% of people have experienced from growing vertically. My plants couldn't be happier if they tried.

 

[weeddaddy50]

wow interesting.....

 

[VerdantGreen]

gyb, you've said nothing to back up the assertions in your previous post that i was questioning, you've just re-stated some of them with insults thrown in, and sidestepped the rest.
all you've done in this thread is to dig yourself a hole, a hole that's now big enough to hang a couple of 600's down the middle, line the walls with a ridiculous plant count and... well you know the rest.

im off to start my new grow thread (with light coming from 252 point sources overhead)

VG

 

[growyourboat]

Well as we all know, "ASSertions" don't grow the most plants per dollar/hour, only real knowledge does, so best of luck with your life

 

[Scrappy-doo]

So no one can show me a documented 2 gpw grow using a horizontal light with reflector huh? That's what I thought.

You guys sure do have some real nice theories though.

I'm still open to it though if anyone... anyone at all can show one.

Don't say y'all horizontal guys didn't get a fair chance to prove yourselves.

 

[VerdantGreen]

hi scrappy, DHF mentioned his friends who were getting 1.8 in horizontal

i bet if you took the 10 top yielding horizontal reflector grows on this site and the 10 top yielding vert ones, the horizontal would win out. there seems to be very few documented vert grows that go much above 1 gpw here apart from heath's.... unless ive missed them.

this black forrest sativa i did on one of my square foot screens would work out well above 2 gpw but i dont really claim it because it was a 14 week flower

at 9 weeks

at 14 weeks

VG

 

[sx646522]

^^ I've seen smaller fir trees. Might have to pull one of those next winter and decorate it for Christmas.

So no one can show me a documented 2 gpw grow using a horizontal light with reflector huh? That's what I thought.

That's a good point.

Anyone here got a list/link to examples of successful ~near 2g/w vertical grows...outside of Heaths?


Would love to see those.


No, really...I would. No foolin'.


-SX


P.S. No need for some folks to get defensive, just because someone asks for more data to back up their scientific hypothesis. In the real scientific community, this is called 'corroboration'.

 

[OLDproLg]

Holy sling fest!!

Made me dizzy...
More pix?

 

[TommyTwoColas]

^^ I've seen smaller fir trees. Might have to pull one of those next winter and decorate it for Christmas.


That's a good point.

Anyone here got a list/link to examples of successful ~near 2g/w vertical grows...outside of Heaths?


Would love to see those.


No, really...I would. No foolin'.


-SX


P.S. No need for some folks to get defensive, just because someone asks for more data to back up their scientific hypothesis. In the real scientific community, this is called 'corroboration'.

If you can find any old Coliseum grows by SoQuick (I believe that was the spelling), you'll find what you're looking for.

Not sure why people feel the need to attack others for their growing style - for such an "open-minded" bunch, stoners sure can be judgmental about things they haven't tried (defoliation, growing vertically, etc.).

If you're interested in growing vertically, give it a try and see how you like it (can't recally too many people going back to horizontal, but I'm sure there've been one or two).

If you're growing horizontal and get great yields, either keep doing what you're doing or try to get better yields vertically (in theory, it is a more efficient growing method as plants receive a more consistent level of light across the canopy and you can increase your effective canopy size).

If you're growing vertically, just keep doing what you're doing and be happy that (IMVHO) you're a little bit ahead of your time.

To the OP - in response to your question, learn your strains and dial your environment.

EDIT: And btw, regarding the "plants evolved to receive light from overhead" statement, I can't say I agree with that - the light is mainly line source from everywhere around them, and the light is only overhead for an hour or two a day. Also, plants can't generally "use" all the light that midday summer sun gives them, so I'm not sure how valid that assertion is.

 

[growyourboat]

Fuck the "real" scientific community.

Why do people always ask for "scientific data", to back up statements regarding grows which are on the cutting edge of the cannabis growing 'field'?

When was the last time you saw a scientist with a 100kW stadium setup, or a 500 plant coliseum, doing 'experiments' to figure out how to achieve 2g/W? Yeah, I think I remember reading an article about that in last month's Nature......LOL.

Come on guys...

 

[Anti]

No need to be dicks to each other. We're all here trying to maximize our potential. Let's keep it civil.

 

[rives]

No need to be dicks to each other. We're all here trying to maximize our potential. Let's keep it civil.

I was going to comment on that earlier, but saw that it had already been taken care of (banned). Maybe on the next go 'round, but it doesn't seem likely.

 

[DHF]

I started out with 34 watts per sq ft and dialed 1.22 gpw`s with Krusty buckets and 10 lb rooms with 4 plants and the perfect 50/50 sat/ind hybrid for almost a decade......but.....

When Heath talked me into increased plant numbers and flip rooms with minimum 50 watts per sq ft cyclin out every 12 hrs a month apart in age for perpetual , I never looked back.......and....

I worked smarter not harder for the rest of my days allowin my shit to all but grow itself.......till.....

I caught wind of Blumats and ordered BUNCHES......and hadta shut down......so...

Moral of the story is reg Blumats for smaller plants and maxi`s for big plants ftw......Dialed and perfect for each plant`s individual nutrient and moisture needs....and....

Upgrades are available.....

Peace...DHF.........

 

[Relentless]

Dial in your system and find a pheno thst yields well and lesrn it like the back of your hand. My highest is. 7g per watt but thats with 12+ diff strains. No doubt i could get 1++g per watt if i used my highest yielder.

 

[Relentless]

Btw its not as simple as going vert.. vert isnt magic.. like others have said its all about canopy management.. i didnt get bigger yields from vert and the buds werent as quality as horizontal for me. Prob bc of my limited space.. i dont really care much about yield.. id rather quality than a bunch of larf popcorn buds. I hardcore lolipop

 

[weeddaddy50]

relentless....now that make sense to me

relentless....now that make sense to me

Just doing some quick math...and looking for ways to improve my yield....I guess I want both the quality I am already getting and a larger yield....right now I am very happy with my quality and my yield is 700 - 750 grams per 1000k at 8 weeks of flower. I veg for 14-21 days under T-5's......my goal is 1 gram per watt for the strains I grow, and while I have seen improvement and are trying out many different types of strains, I feel my canopy managment is very good. I use a light meter and blocks to keep the canopy very even.

I really do no want to change to verticle growing at this point.
my grow is 4 x 6 tables with raptor hoods 1000k electronic ballasts...soil mix in 3 gal grow bags using organic nutrients.

I have like 6 fans, a scrubber, split system AC....I am not running CO2 at the moment...and that could make a difference.

my temps are 68 lights off 80 lights on.

mostly the lower yielding strains....bubba, OG kush, Face off OG, black berry, blue cheese, blue dawg, skydawg, alien dawg...

any suggestions?

Btw its not as simple as going vert.. vert isnt magic.. like others have said its all about canopy management.. i didnt get bigger yields from vert and the buds werent as quality as horizontal for me. Prob bc of my limited space.. i dont really care much about yield.. id rather quality than a bunch of larf popcorn buds. I hardcore lolipop

 

[Space Toker]

yes I do remember that and wish I knew specifically where I saw that (which article or which book)....

I believe now it was a Jorges Cervantes article in High Times, he is a member here I think, I hope he can confirm this.

 

[EL Guapo]

The best way to get 1 gpw is by getting a nice even coating of bullshit...