Molasses+RO water for last 2 weeks?

[Jbonez]

Thank you.

Anyone feeding till the very end really doesn't give a shit about their end user. I for one have personally paid a physical price for having to medicate with meds grown like JBonez is advocating. Don't be a prick, flush your shit.

If I can tell you haven't flushed... your health will be impacted in one way or another. I can always tell when there's been an incomplete or lack of a flush.

Stay Safe!

Its funny, I say dont flush, then Im advocating bigger yields. I tell you it has nothing to do with flavor and now not flushing is dangerous. You guys cant just throw around things that either have no merit, or are unfounded.

Hydrosoil, you yourself advocate the Lucas formula, which is very specific about not flushing... Im confused.

Ive heard of methemoglobinemia, but since when do our ferts contain lead, mercury or any other TOXIC chemicals????

I think you smoked pesticides or something bro, simply not flushing will certainly not have an effect on ones health, Id be glad to know your sources for this information...

Ive read your posts, you are not some rookie, but I didnt expect to hear this kind of rebuttal from you, what exactly happened that your health was effected by not flushing, take it to pm, Id like to hear this, ive muddled this poor kids thread enough, lol..

Ill be on my way, good luck guys... Ive no reason to help other than to help, but this falling on deaf ears...

 

[praisehim.]

jbonez- There is a very small amount of lab grade research that has been done on cannabis, and the different methods for which it is grown.
If your talking about general botany, i dont care. Show me the research your talking about and i'll be happy to be proven wrong. But if its unrelated to pot, and isnt conducted in the proper facility...i'll laugh.

 

[couchlockd]

well molases has a place, i too have done the flush with it, and learned not to.

what molases is doing at least on one leval is providing sugar to the plant. and it will store this sugar in the leaves after harvest. it will taste not like sugar but organic nutes.

also molases will feed microlife and in turn they will feed the plant again (not good during a flush)

molases also provides good levals of Calcium, in fact high enough levals to fix a Ca defficiency. and calcium is generally avoided in the last moth of flower. molases also provides some macro nutes as well. all thing to avoid during the weeks.

me as of late, use straight RO the whole grow, just some striaght up FFOF soil and maybe a shot or so of some peace of mind dry nutes that are of course mixed in as i prep the soil.

i dont the pro mix and synthetic nutes for 6 years, always always beating and racking my brain to try and fix something, or have to add some magic to recoup the grow from earlier fuck ups in the cycle.

water for the last 2 weeks, youll see colors and amazing resin happen like that. no gimmicky tricks or carbo loads or sweeteners. just good ol ro

 

[couchlockd]

flushing or not flushing does indeed have an impact on you immune and respiratory system, that is a fact. not anecdotal in the least bit. if you pump synthetic nutes into a plant till the day of harvest there is no physical way the plant wont have those unused, unmetabolized compounds in their lady parts.

burns the throat, makes you sneeze and taste like shit, have asthma or empysemia, and watch what happens when you smoke the micro bottle loaded buds of gh

 

[krunchbubble]

J.C.

takes some damn advice and feed your plants as usual until harvest... I thought I was gone long enough for this myth of flushing your plants at the end of the harvest to disappear... guess not.

If anything, molasses will make more nutrients available with organic ferts...

PS, Is that Puss Kush? I have the suge PK cut but yours doesnt look like mine.

Since no elitist green fisted grower would ever stop feeding his plants when they bulk up the most, probably since then...

Read post #56 Click Here

Also, google "Ask Lucas" I cant post a link to another MJ website.

that should help you.

Ive researched this for 10 years. There isnt any data to date the supports the "theory"of flushing (its not call the fact of flushing, its a theory) , sorry man, I wish it was true, it would save me on nutes for a couple weeks lol...

This is correct, mollasses acts as a surfactant or "wetting" agent in a way that will aid in removing fertilizer salts.

Cutting off nutrients to the plant will not contribute to quantity, you effectively stop the plant from producing at this point, this I can prove.

same or better quality is anecdotal, its your opinion, I respect that as you can only lead a horse to water.

cheers

Do explain how the "flavors" in herbs work, perhaps you could enlighten me.

If its flavanoids or flavones you speak of, then indeed, as I said before, what does flushing have to do with that?

Senior grade botany proves my point, anecdotal hearsay attempts to prove yours.

Just research the subject, you would be surprised at what you find.

My only goal is to help, you guys are quoting what you are hearing and the information you are stating is just wrong.

please research the subject, I cant give you the experience, you have to get that yourselves.....

Its funny, I say dont flush, then Im advocating bigger yields. I tell you it has nothing to do with flavor and now not flushing is dangerous. You guys cant just throw around things that either have no merit, or are unfounded.

Hydrosoil, you yourself advocate the Lucas formula, which is very specific about not flushing... Im confused.

Ive heard of methemoglobinemia, but since when do our ferts contain lead, mercury or any other TOXIC chemicals????

I think you smoked pesticides or something bro, simply not flushing will certainly not have an effect on ones health, Id be glad to know your sources for this information...

Ive read your posts, you are not some rookie, but I didnt expect to hear this kind of rebuttal from you, what exactly happened that your health was effected by not flushing, take it to pm, Id like to hear this, ive muddled this poor kids thread enough, lol..

Ill be on my way, good luck guys... Ive no reason to help other than to help, but this falling on deaf ears...

j.

 

[couchlockd]

well i guess the not flushing crowd doesnt smoke their own weed, they sell it and buy good buds from a club. lol

there is a bunch of info on the feed till the end type thing, and yes it seems rooted in science and legit. like "if the natural flavors of cannabis is what you are after you have to feed the plant to produce those flavors"

but there is a point of diminishing returns. and nutes the last few weeks are it. diminishing returns. most soiless mix will feed up to the end cuzz of the nutrient overloads the medium has experience through out the cycle. and those typical overloads, coupled with weak overbreed genes, the plant may not show symptoms of overfeeding, or it may and be mis diagnosed. either way. one should try to grow a plant with nothing more than a few very very light feeding. youd be suprised.

 

[Bloom]

well molases has a place, i too have done the flush with it, and learned not to.

what molases is doing at least on one leval is providing sugar to the plant. and it will store this sugar in the leaves after harvest. it will taste not like sugar but organic nutes.

also molases will feed microlife and in turn they will feed the plant again (not good during a flush)

molases also provides good levals of Calcium, in fact high enough levals to fix a Ca defficiency. and calcium is generally avoided in the last moth of flower. molases also provides some macro nutes as well. all thing to avoid during the weeks.

me as of late, use straight RO the whole grow, just some striaght up FFOF soil and maybe a shot or so of some peace of mind dry nutes that are of course mixed in as i prep the soil.

i dont the pro mix and synthetic nutes for 6 years, always always beating and racking my brain to try and fix something, or have to add some magic to recoup the grow from earlier fuck ups in the cycle.

water for the last 2 weeks, youll see colors and amazing resin happen like that. no gimmicky tricks or carbo loads or sweeteners. just good ol ro

What are the dry ferts you use with RO, what do you use for adding Cal?

 

[Jbonez]

flushing or not flushing does indeed have an impact on you immune and respiratory system, that is a fact. not anecdotal in the least bit. if you pump synthetic nutes into a plant till the day of harvest there is no physical way the plant wont have those unused, unmetabolized compounds in their lady parts.

burns the throat, makes you sneeze and taste like shit, have asthma or empysemia, and watch what happens when you smoke the micro bottle loaded buds of gh

Just answer me this. According to your own words "synthetic nutes" (that is an oxymoron) contain elements that somehow differ from say organic nutes?

N from one source is different from another?

This is getting twilight zonish....

Plants must absorb chelated nutrients, regardless of the source, unmetabolized?

For the record, I advocate flushing to remove excess mineral salts from a medium that could cause low ph, or worse, lockout. Somehow thinking that flushing the plant 2 weeks prior to harvest (killing it) improves anything is beyond me, marijuana is the only plant we try to starve before we consume.... makes no damn sense.... My leaves are yellow, im safe! are you KIDDING ME....

Black ash and harsh smoke tell me one thing, someone isnt curing properly, been doing this for a hot minute, never met someone who wasnt blown away by my herb, and of course I consume my own smoke, genetics play such a huge result in the process as well.

Of all my plants, ChemD is the only one that seems to be harsh no matter what we do, and yes, I tried the flushing thing on chemD, still the same.

 

[Reg Dixon]

Interesting lone voice. If you can build a consensus based on shared experience you can definitely 'win' this one.

Might take a few months/years and need a lot of persuasion tho....

 

[Jbonez]

Interesting lone voice. If you can build a consensus based on shared experience you can definitely 'win' this one.

Might take a few months/years and need a lot of persuasion tho....

It was never about winning, if anything maybe someone says, hey, Ill give it a shot. But blind refusal to at least acknowledge?

Oddly enough, I vehemently debated this from the opposite side of the spectrum, but had my eyes opened through trial.

My goal isnt to hurt anyone, I alone am at the fundamental level, a grower, and you are my brothers.

Discovery and new ideas come from challenging the status quo, and since this topic is always a hot one, I expect it to get a little out of hand lol...

We can be civil and debate, even if tempers or ego's flare a bit, I cant ultimately convey context through text alone.

 

[couchlockd]

Black ash and harsh smoke tell me one thing, someone isnt curing properly, been doing this for a hot minute, never met someone who wasnt blown away by my herb, and of course I consume my own smoke, genetics play such a huge result in the process as well.

is your shit laced with dmt or something, cuzz you sound fucking retarded high.

lets not split hairs with the "all nutes are synthetic" thing, cuzz there is one thing missing form "chemically produced" ferts, it is a carbon atom molecule.

yes when it is said and done what the roots are taking up is the same. but with a organic situation, you are letting the soil, micro-life in the rhizosphere, and roots do the decision making. with the synthetic or chemically produced nutes, you are doing the decision making for the plants regardless of what they really want.

and yes the chemicals used to make synthetic nutes 99% of the time comes from some derived compound from organic matter. no argument.

but....... this is not a organic vs. synth. thing. it is a flush thing.

if your ph is whack then your plants get whacked out too, with the synth thing.

organic, build a mediocre somewhat decent soil, and it does it all for you.

cuzz plants havent been doing this for eons by themselves, no they are new, invented in some lab. and only a handfull of less expereinced individuals know whats up. yeah thats the ticket.

for you to turn this into a stupid "look how big my dick is" thing, with your slightly rooted basis of growing. then my friend you ass is showing.

 

[Jbonez]

is your shit laced with dmt or something, cuzz you sound fucking retarded high.

lets not split hairs with the "all nutes are synthetic" thing, cuzz there is one thing missing form "chemically produced" ferts, it is a carbon atom molecule.

yes when it is said and done what the roots are taking up is the same. but with a organic situation, you are letting the soil, micro-life in the rhizosphere, and roots do the decision making. with the synthetic or chemically produced nutes, you are doing the decision making for the plants regardless of what they really want.

and yes the chemicals used to make synthetic nutes 99% of the time comes from some derived compound from organic matter. no argument.

but....... this is not a organic vs. synth. thing. it is a flush thing.

if your ph is whack then your plants get whacked out too, with the synth thing.

organic, build a mediocre somewhat decent soil, and it does it all for you.

cuzz plants havent been doing this for eons by themselves, no they are new, invented in some lab. and only a handfull of less expereinced individuals know whats up. yeah thats the ticket.

for you to turn this into a stupid "look how big my dick is" thing, with your slightly rooted basis of growing. then my friend you ass is showing.

Thanks. I dont need a lesson on microbial, I did the organic thing.

When someone says that not flushing is downright dangerous, I have to laugh... sorry if you got upset, it wasnt about that bro.

 

[Jbonez]

flushing or not flushing does indeed have an impact on you immune and respiratory system, that is a fact. not anecdotal in the least bit. if you pump synthetic nutes into a plant till the day of harvest there is no physical way the plant wont have those unused, unmetabolized compounds in their lady parts.

burns the throat, makes you sneeze and taste like shit, have asthma or empysemia, and watch what happens when you smoke the micro bottle loaded buds of gh

"Smoking" marijuana has an impact on your on your immune and respiratory system, that is fact, lol....

ps, Bubbles is a borderline savant/genius in real life, interesting you chose him for your avi...

 

[praisehim.]

marijuana is an herb, not a fruit, nor a veggie. Not only that, but it is one of the only herbs which is smoked. I asked to see reasearch on cannabis, which you say is all over.. and yet you continue to debate with others, without even being able to back up your statements.

Put up the facts... if you cant, then your argument is baseless.

 

[Bloom]

Thanks. I dont need a lesson on microbial, I did the organic thing.

When someone says that not flushing is downright dangerous, I have to laugh... sorry if you got upset, it wasnt about that bro.

I pulled one down after a half of a flush, why? my patients LOVED the taste... wait I only dried it on a Pizzaz pizza cooker... it must taste like shit... well... maybe there just too high to know? NOPE. or does NOT flushing just make them hullucinate? Hmm.... Maybe I should have flushed my organic grow longer............. hope they will live.. Hope they dont wake up and realize they didnt get there fix off my organic unflushed, stressed plant..

Well if you want my theory, they looove it! myself aswell..
Ya grow and learn, if its good its good, if its bad is junk.

I have another strain it is being flushed for two weeks with ICE cold water, Now I will see what THIS tastes like. in a few weeks.

Keep growin!!

 

[Jbonez]

hell yeah, in for results.

for the hell of it, we are gonna flush one of our bubba's and let the others go as usual. Ill do as best a detailed smoke report as I can... Gotta cure first, so bare with me, I dont see the point in doing this on bud thats been outa the tent for a week...

Ive just tried this on a number of occasions without much success in being able to differentiate betwixt the two..

When we did organic, we always ran water the last few weeks, but by then there were enough goodies in the dirt that the plants never seemed to taper off the nutes, hell id say they could have eaten more, who knows.

 

[MostHigh]

I won't name names, but...someone in this thread is clearly overlooking the fact that the overwhelming majority of agriculture on this planet is fertilized with synthetic nutrients.

And the evidence of ill effects suffered by consumers of those products is...non-existent.

Oh and...don't go conflating synthetic ferts with herbicides and insecticides.

 

[Jbonez]

I won't name names, but...someone in this thread is clearly overlooking the fact that the overwhelming majority of agriculture on this planet is fertilized with synthetic nutrients.

And the evidence of ill effects suffered by consumers of those products is...non-existent.

Oh and...don't go conflating synthetic ferts with herbicides and insecticides.

hmmm... you dont say, lol..

+rep

 

[Bloom]

Went grocery shopping, see Molasass in the Ethnic isle, Would this work the same? lol

 

[J.C.grower]

i gotta say guys , i tasted some fairly cured meds which i flushed wit molasses for the last 2 weeks. and it was fantastic! the smell of the buds are also very sweeet and they are very sticky. Molasses flushing is deffinitely a + for me!
Stay fligh
JC