Girl Scout Cookies

[Abja Roots]

I'm sure the plan is to make seeds the same way Rez and others have done.

Step 1: Obtain elite clone only strain
Step 2: Find viable pollen or force self pollination
Step 3: Release testers or proceed directly to Go
Step 4: Crash the seedbay servers
Step 5: Option A: Smashing success and the next elite "breeder" is established
______ Option B: Smashing failure and the obviousness of the hack is exposed
Step 6: Rinse and repeat

Just for the record I'm not knocking Stickky at all. He's going to make them to share at a cost to himself.

I've also got no qualms with all the "breeders" on here. I do think it's funny when people are basically pollen chucking and don't want to detail the parents and steps. I appreciate those that share exactly what they did, what the results were, and let the market decide. If people want to buy them, that's their choice. The market would be wise to demand full disclosure. Failure to do so shows a blatant disrespect for the genetics and their craft.

The yield is reportedly 1.5lbs/1kw.

 

[dro510]

Here is some of my homies cookies. Found a seed in a pack(female),will post pics of her later

 

[krunchbubble]

I'm sure the plan is to make seeds the same way Rez and others have done.

Step 1: Obtain elite clone only strain
Step 2: Find viable pollen or force self pollination
Step 3: Release testers or proceed directly to Go
Step 4: Crash the seedbay servers
Step 5: Option A: Smashing success and the next elite "breeder" is established
______ Option B: Smashing failure and the obviousness of the hack is exposed
Step 6: Rinse and repeat

Just for the record I'm not knocking Stickky at all. He's going to make them to share at a cost to himself.

I've also got no qualms with all the "breeders" on here. I do think it's funny when people are basically pollen chucking and don't want to detail the parents and steps. I appreciate those that share exactly what they did, what the results were, and let the market decide. If people want to buy them, that's their choice. The market would be wise to demand full disclosure. Failure to do so shows a blatant disrespect for the genetics and their craft.

The yield is reportedly 1.5lbs/1kw.

DUDE!! YOU JUST KILLED IT!!!!!! LMMFAO!!!!

 

[Raco]

Just curious about something...... If you have a clone only strain how are you going to make seeds?

+1

 

[big twinn]

genetic mutation or drift is not applicable here

environmental cue's and influences i effect the production of primary and secondary metabolites in higher plants

pop some beans

veg the plants

sex them

take cuts off the mom

put em out into multiple gardens at the same time

and run em the same way and collect the samples and compare

do it using the same nutes and watts and in different gardens and try it in totally different scenarios

test it every way to sunday please pay and tell me if there was genetic mutation or rift or simply a differential in metabolic composition influenced by what it was fed, etc

Although there is truth in what you say, this is not completely the case.
Lets clear some things up, as there are quiet a few people giving you plus rep and to be honest, what you said just is not factually correct.

Lets first start with your scenario, you take 6 clones off of mother A and pass it to your 6 different friends, they all have the same lighting setup, they use the same nutrient schedule, with the same nutes, same EVERYTHING. At the end of that harvest, yes you are more often than not (prob. 9.9/10) correct in that the products will all be the same (if this was not the case, then we would not be so adamant on collecting clones.)

BUT,

Over time, those clones can diverge slightly from each other through Mutation. Plant cells are constantly replicating, and dividing to account for both primary and secondary growth. If you are familiar with the cell cycle, you will know that cells are constantly dying but are replaced with new ones through cell division. This process is called Mitosis. This is a very basic description for times sake but, during mitosis, DNA is transcribed into RNA and RNA is than translated into specific proteins. During the transcription process, errors DO occur during the base pairing process (A-T/U, C-G base pairs). Now, there are specific proteins and enzymes that repair and correct errors made during replication (quiet a few DNA and RNA Polymerase enzymes that under go this error correction). Most errors are corrected, but there are times that these errors are not caught and corrected causing a mutation to occur in cell division. OVERTIME, these mutations to the DNA in the plant CAN show phenotypic differences.

Some causes for mutation are stress, salt build up, and UV. Intense lighting, yep that can cause mutation. UV is very damaging to DNA and RNA....

Over time, genetic variation genotypically can occur in clones and does occur. It is a fact that there have been clones that came from the same mom to show differences phenotypically, and that it how mutations can occur.

For example, I know there are two phenotypes of CP floating around, GDP dominant and Durbin dominant. However, i have seen two variations of this GDP dominant CP floating around. They are completely identical in finished product but one has nice GDPish leaves and the other has crazy mutated leaves, with single leaves and all sorts of finger leaf positions, but the finished product shows no difference. I think this may possibly if correct in my story (which is what i am told about them being the from the same mother), may actually be an example of this sort of mutation, playing relevance in this thread.
I hope that my post may be of some help in the understanding on how such mutations might and can occur.
BT
(Biology degree with a focus on plant physiology & genetics)

More on topic:
Just topped my GSC s1 to stimulate some lateral shoots for clones. I culled the other, as she appeared to have TMV and just wont grow out of her funk and i didn't want to contaminate anything.

Those Animal cookies look great. The gsc will def. be something to hold on to once everyone starts making crosses. The original seems to always reach legend status ha. This thread always gets me excited

 

[dro510]

Here is my GSC from a seeded pack, took 13 clones 9 days ago..

 

[JJScorpio]

I'm glad to get the facts on this one....... I thought all this time that God put Cannabis on this earth, lol..... God may have created the heavens and the Earth, but Cali created Cannabis........

Hey SubRob, i remember at least one person saying the cookies were just ok and they liked OG better, but I don't know what sample they tried. Anyone who has anything to say should try some from a legitimate dispensary before they speak. Rappers smoke a shit load of weed, because they don't have anything else to do but smoke weed and make music. I think they smoke enough to know what's good or bad. Most of us on here don't have 20k a week to spend on different kinds of herb, just to share it with our entourage. I love it when people hate on "Cali Folk" and "Cali Herb". Cali has the MOST HIGHEST QUALITY herb in the world, from the hills of Humboldt to the warehouses in LA. I'm not saying there isn't any good weed anywhere else, but EVERYONE knows Cali weed is the best. Where did the Original Haze come from? Where did OG Kush come from? Where else in the world can you walk into a store and see 40 types of herb on a shelf, 20 different kinds of hash, and another 50 types of edibles, candies, drinks, tinctures..... I'm sorry if some of you are butt hurt because everyone is jockin "us" california trend setters, but that's just "the way the COOKIES crumble".

 

[krunchbubble]

took 12 clones 6 days ago, she don't like to grow that fast....

but she's purdy and in absolute PERFECTION of health.....

 

[big twinn]

You guys have beautiful pictures, cant wait till mines large enough to showoff=P

 

[Weird]

Although there is truth in what you say, this is not completely the case.
Lets clear some things up, as there are quiet a few people giving you plus rep and to be honest, what you said just is not factually correct.

Lets first start with your scenario, you take 6 clones off of mother A and pass it to your 6 different friends, they all have the same lighting setup, they use the same nutrient schedule, with the same nutes, same EVERYTHING. At the end of that harvest, yes you are more often than not (prob. 9.9/10) correct in that the products will all be the same (if this was not the case, then we would not be so adamant on collecting clones.)

BUT,

Over time, those clones can diverge slightly from each other through Mutation. Plant cells are constantly replicating, and dividing to account for both primary and secondary growth. If you are familiar with the cell cycle, you will know that cells are constantly dying but are replaced with new ones through cell division. This process is called Mitosis. This is a very basic description for times sake but, during mitosis, DNA is transcribed into RNA and RNA is than translated into specific proteins. During the transcription process, errors DO occur during the base pairing process (A-T/U, C-G base pairs). Now, there are specific proteins and enzymes that repair and correct errors made during replication (quiet a few DNA and RNA Polymerase enzymes that under go this error correction). Most errors are corrected, but there are times that these errors are not caught and corrected causing a mutation to occur in cell division. OVERTIME, these mutations to the DNA in the plant CAN show phenotypic differences.

Some causes for mutation are stress, salt build up, and UV. Intense lighting, yep that can cause mutation. UV is very damaging to DNA and RNA....

Over time, genetic variation genotypically can occur in clones and does occur. It is a fact that there have been clones that came from the same mom to show differences phenotypically, and that it how mutations can occur.

For example, I know there are two phenotypes of CP floating around, GDP dominant and Durbin dominant. However, i have seen two variations of this GDP dominant CP floating around. They are completely identical in finished product but one has nice GDPish leaves and the other has crazy mutated leaves, with single leaves and all sorts of finger leaf positions, but the finished product shows no difference. I think this may possibly if correct in my story (which is what i am told about them being the from the same mother), may actually be an example of this sort of mutation, playing relevance in this thread.
I hope that my post may be of some help in the understanding on how such mutations might and can occur.
BT
(Biology degree with a focus on plant physiology & genetics)

More on topic:
Just topped my GSC s1 to stimulate some lateral shoots for clones. I culled the other, as she appeared to have TMV and just wont grow out of her funk and i didn't want to contaminate anything.

Those Animal cookies look great. The gsc will def. be something to hold on to once everyone starts making crosses. The original seems to always reach legend status ha. This thread always gets me excited

relative to GS Cookies? bullshit

show me the same gsc mother and then all the cuts that went out and check them for drift

relative to when it hit the scene and how tis expressing itself im sure the differentials are not drift but grow room differential

or is pot homogenous regardless of environment its grown in cause that's the your argument if mine is not accurate

im on my third decade of growing and i still remember it all so its purely observation experience i rely on

when someone requires me to dig deeper in my toolbox ill let you know

 

[big twinn]

Wierd: sorry if you took me too personal, no reason to be upset. There is no intention on trying to step on peoples toes, you have more growing experience than i am old...Guys like you will always have my upmost highest respect. Nothing personal, im just saying mutations can occur, such as for my Cherry Pie. I def. agree that environment is the largest factor between bud quality of smoke. Its the reason i use a high out put light vs a conventional bulb, and its the reason im organic rather then synthetic. No argument there. kind regards.

Can some one explain why there have been two descriptions of the taste. I've heard predominantly that it taste like thin mints, then i have heard others say it taste like fresh baked suger cookies?

what week flower are people pulling her at to get those frosty dense nugs? I've heard people say she finishes at 57 days recently but with a sativa influence in here genes im curious if those connoisseur buds were taken more on the lines on 70ish?

 

[Weird]

sorry im not trying to be a dick either

had surgery they gave me a bit of Babylon's poisons and its got my head twisted

no excuse just an example

and a reminder to myself

peace

 

[krunchbubble]

Can some one explain why there have been two descriptions of the taste. I've heard predominantly that it taste like thin mints, then i have heard others say it taste like fresh baked suger cookies?

what week flower are people pulling her at to get those frosty dense nugs? I've heard people say she finishes at 57 days recently but with a sativa influence in here genes im curious if those connoisseur buds were taken more on the lines on 70ish?

the TWO differences that noticed when i smoke cookies are organic and hydro, the organic being the minty one, PROP215 CORRECT ME IF IM WRONG PLEASE....

i thought they were being taken at 50-55 days, at least the ones i have smoked...

 

[High74]

maybe the mint comes from another OG pheno ? I have no idea I have never seen any cookie strains, but I could see how you could get some magic out of Durban OG and GDP, makes my mouth water

 

[SmokeTrees]

sample i tried was premature and grown in coco, but it tasted like circus animal cookies on inhale and thin mints on exhale. Smelling the buds gave off more of a circus animal cookies smell and not much thin mint.

 

[High74]

animal crackers are my favorite, you know the ones you get in the little box with the white string haha when I was little I would kill that box before we left the store haha oh how time flys

 

[Natagonnaworrie]

All legit, no animals, no fortunes, no s1s...

2.5 Weeks




mini-mom


future teens


more babies

 

[mofeta]

Hi big twinn

What an interesting topic! I would like to add my two cents.

Over time, those clones can diverge slightly from each other through Mutation.

....OVERTIME, these mutations to the DNA in the plant CAN show phenotypic differences.

....Over time, genetic variation genotypically can occur in clones and does occur.

The process you describe of mutation occurring during mitosis is called "somatic mutation", not genetic drift. Genetic drift occurs in populations of organisms, not individuals.

Somatic mutation is a very interesting topic, some human diseases (like cancer) can be due to somatic mutation. In plants, somatic mutation can be an important way of dealing with environmental stress, and may even be important in evolution. It is a pretty complicated subject, so I won't go into detail about all of it, but I'll say a few things on it in the context of your discussion here.

While somatic mutation does occur in all living things, I doubt this is the mechanism behind the "clones from the same mom being different" phenomenon in weed.

As plants do not have what is called a "reserved germ line" (where the reproductive cell lines and somatic lines are seperate), they have considerable repair mechanisms to deal with somatic mutation (as you pointed out). This is especially so with small, herbaceous, annual plants (like pot), and less so with large, woody, perennial plants (like trees, in fact with trees, like citrus and apples, somatic mutation is an important source of new varieties).

The somatic mutation rate is also low enough that it would not likely be a factor in the context of Cannabis clones in the time scale we are talking about.

It is a fact that there have been clones that came from the same mom to show differences phenotypically,...

.... i have seen two variations of this GDP dominant CP floating around.

Yeah, this is a real thing, I have seen it myself. In my opinion, this is phenotypic plasticity, like Weird said, and therefore a change in gene regulation, not a mutation. It is not the normal type of phenotypic variation that we think of, that changes quickly according to environment though.

An example of what I called normal phenotypic variation above would be how a clone would respond to light intensity. Two identical clones, one grown in strong light, and one in weak light, will be different. We all know how they differ, the one in bright light will have shorter internodal spaces etc. We also know that if you change the environment and provide more light to the taller light starved plant, it will respond very quickly and start to look like the other clone, and vice-versa.

In the phenomenon you are describing, the phenotypic variation seems to be relatively fixed, as if some regulatory switch is flipped on, and stays that way even when the environment changes.

There is another variation phenotypic plasticity that I have noticed in weed clones, that while not as fixed as the above, is very interesting, that I discussed with someone here a while back. I don't think this thread is the place to discuss it.

 

[softyellowlight]

So, what, you're proposing that it's hormonal? While we're throwing out unsubstantiated proposals, I think it's far more likely to be actual disease acquisition or simple sport mutation than some heretofore unknown mechanism, sorry.

 

[guest8905]

Just curious about something...... If you have a clone only strain how are you going to make seeds?

For the record I am gonna make seed WITH GSC NOT OF GSC

I am not trying to make a seed version copy, just some crosses to see what else is lurking in those genes. Mine also probably wont be ready till next fall so im sure there will others who r doing the same thing or selfing the gsc who will have seed up for sale or give away much sooner than i.

2 more males i thought of to use would be a sssdh male and perhaps a chocolate rain male. Flavor is my goal lol with perhaps a bit more tight internode structure

On a side note i just got some gdp x ogs1, this herb has a very similar cake, almost vanilla cake or bread smell similar to the GSC, i found it interesting.