Flush or Don't Flush... I DARE you to post your ppm's!!

[Hydro-Soil]

so im gonn do it, cut some unflushed tonight, dry n cure those proper, then cut some finished cured bud dry n cure it, then compare with the water soak and smoke test, is that rite?

Yes, that's correct.

The purpose is to get some baseline readings to see if it's a viable way to test for leftover nutrients.

The issue is that it isn't healthy to ingest or smoke nutrients (organic derived or not) and there happen to be a shit-ton of growers that believe their end-product is good.... when it isn't.

Most people who buy cannabis can't tell bud with leftover nutes in it from hot-apple pie. Personally I happen to be super sensitive and can taste and feel the difference. Usually you'd need a lab to do it.

Got a ppm/ec meter? Maybe it's useful. Get enough data and maybe.... just maybe there'll be one or two growers that work on making their meds cleaner. This might be the tool for it.


As for my attitude.... bah! It sucks balls. I've been on Colorado mountain meds for a year and a half since I had to tear down my grow. I'm so sick of over nuted, non-flushed meds with mystery residue... I could scream.

Thanks!

p.s. The Dare? That's for page 3 after people have started posting enough results. I'm not stupid... I'm just an asshole when my meds are crap. Sorry.

 

[DiscoBiscuit]

That's cool, just curious. Sorry the area weed isn't up to par. We get all the stuff that turns to swag and sells for ~$800 a pack.

 

[dank.frank]

Missed the stated measurements, apologies.

Not attacking you, but as stated, was looking for clarification, which you now provided. I find it interesting, in theory, and to state anything conclusively, I needed more definition.

Your hypothesis, then, is not that this IS measuring matter remaining, but rather the data could be an indication towards a possible way to test for such remaining matter.

So, IF a non-flushed dried sample produces higher TDS/EC/PPM readings than a flushed dried sample, consistently across a wide enough test base, THEN we conclude using a meter in such a manner indicates a measured decrease in carcinogenic material remaining. Meaning essentially, lower readings indicating a cleaner final product.

Worth a try.


dank.Frank

 

[Avinash.miles]

Im glad it seems worth the try bcuz...
I cut the unflushed sample today, several lower brances and some larger topped branches as well, maybe a quarter to half oz of dried product total, just a good lil sample
its lookn nice imho, all juicy and drippn in trichs
btw
i dont "flush" like running lots and lots of water thru my plants, i just feed fresh h2o every feeeding, like drain to waste whereas usually i do recirculating w my nutrients

 

[thinkin]

flushed hydro vs not flushed organics

flushed hydro vs not flushed organics

Same mom (Diesel X Kush from Rezdog)

Flushed hydro (freezer cure) vs not flushed organics (basically open bag cure but its still fresh)

Hydro was flushed till hydro water read <100ppm (after a period of hours) Organics was TLO and just h20. Then, cut.

Bag appeal- (atleast in this case)
INDOOR- tighter bigger nugs
Outdoor- much larger % small airy popcorn buds

High-
Both are amazing! head and body!

Taste-
Organics tastes AWESOME! full bodied loveliness! Kush and Diesel are EASY to identify
Hydro has about half the taste. Cant easily identify the distinct tastes. (even with all my scent efforts)


Next Day Effects-
Organics - I feel noticeably dumber. Slow and in a fog.
Hydro- All good and ready to GO.


I've been able to replicate this Dumbiness effect with badly flushed hydro bud and now non-flushed organics. By some standards, I maybe jumping to conclusions. I am firm believer that the theory is sound.

Awesome if someone would compare a flushed organics vs non-flushed organics.

I'll test this water leeching on buds post cure.

Conditions:
Same weight, same tap water (no R/O), same conditions, over same time period, and of course same meter. (sm802)

.5 g of each sample size
washing probe between each sample

starting tap .08 EC

Hour Organics Hydro
1 .28 .26
2.5 .35 .36
4 .40 .41
13.5 .60 .61


Not much of a difference. Assume same amount of water soluble salts in both.
Keeping the experiment going. maybe to 24hrs.

Organics:
Some maine organic soil + fish emulsion
Hydro:
GH lucas + Kool bloom powder.

 

[Hydro-Soil]

Awesome!

Curious if both indoor and outdoor were cut at same time? Length of flowering time has a lot to do with dumbiness in some strains

Looking forward to the results, please post any feed information you can as well for both hydro and organic.

Stay Safe!

 

[thinkin]

EC over 24 hours organic non flushed vs Hydro flushed

EC over 24 hours organic non flushed vs Hydro flushed

EC readings
Organic Hydro
1 H .28 .26
2.5 H .35 .36
4 H .40 .41
13.5 H .60 .61
24 H .73 .77

not much of a difference in EC readings
conclusion: similar amount of water soluble salts in organics (non flushed) and hydro (flushed).


between readings, glasses were in a dark cabinet.
next time.. i am going to add h2o2 to the water cure.

Given buds had the same weight but 3 organics to 1.5 hydro nugs of same dimensions, I am not sure how to interpret how the glasses look at 24 hours.
Hydro (leftside) Organics(rightside)

organic looks green/browner and a film ontop of the water.
hydro has no film and lighter green.

In a few days, i'll test the organic to see if the same dumbiness reaction happens.
see if the issue is water soluble.

 

[Hammerhead]

ea time you replace the water it should decrease the salt content.. water will also become cleaner looking. I expected to see that kind of result on Organics.. Now if you whee to test unflushed hydro the readings would be way different..

 

[Homebrewer]

ea time you replace the water it should decrease the salt content.. water will also become cleaner looking. I expected to see that kind of result on Organics.. Now if you whee to test unflushed hydro the readings would be way different..

Actually, out of curiosity, I soaked one of my 'unflushed' hydro buds last night for 2 hours. I got a reading of 420 ppm or about .6 EC. I don't do the organic thing anymore and I don't have 'unflushed' buds to compare it to either.

 

[Useful Idiot]

Without you calling me an asshat,which BTW ,you really displayed that feature yourself in the beginning, How will this help your sensitivity???? Will the seller let you take the time to do this test with the product before purchase??Or,if you purchase said product and test it and you are not satisfied,what then??? Will you throw it away?? BTW I do not flush or flood the plants at the end. I only feed them spring fed well water for the last 2 weeks.Much luck to you.

 

[forty]

if you don't have a meter and want to perform a quick test, toss a sample nug in the micro wave and fire up. if it shoots all over the fukin place with lightning bolts shooting out of it, this could indicate the presence of excessive metals, ie, unflushed nutes. turn the mirco wave off.

 

[Hammerhead]

Actually, out of curiosity, I soaked one of my 'unflushed' hydro buds last night for 2 hours. I got a reading of 420 ppm or about .6 EC. I don't do the organic thing anymore and I don't have 'unflushed' buds to compare it to either.

Thats what I would expect to see. Chem nutrients leave allot more crap behind then Organics. If you do another test when there some buds that have been watered with plain PH water you should see a diferance..

if you don't have a meter and want to perform a quick test, toss a sample nug in the micro wave and fire up. if it shoots all over the fukin place with lightning bolts shooting out of it, this could indicate the presence of excessive metals, ie, unflushed nutes. turn the mirco wave off.

LOL sparky nugs.. I Dont think you would see any sparks. We are talking parts per million.

 

[Homebrewer]

Thats what I would expect to see. Chem nutrients leave allot more crap behind then Organics. If you do another test when there some buds that have been watered with plain PH water you should see a diferance..

I'm actually in a position at the moment where I could run just water in the hydro system for their last week here but I don't agree with the idea that the plants have no nutritional needs during the last weeks of their life. I'm going to soak a gram of some other things (veggies, fruits, kale from the garden) to see what kind of readings I get from those items as a comparison. Is there any literature on this subject or other 'tests' on the internets? Just curious what is considered 'good' or 'bad' or if this even means diddly-squat.

Anyone smoke cigarettes and care to soak a gram of tobacco and post a reading???

 

[DiscoBiscuit]

Thats what I would expect to see. Chem nutrients leave allot more crap behind then Organics.

Interesting. Why would a chem plant regulate absorption any differently than NPK derived from organics? IMO, everything above the soil is the same - NPK in the chem example, NPK in the organic example.

With chems, medium can be rinsed to the point that plants begin to deplete their above-ground stores. One might achieve the same with organics if they knew the precise organic input.

That said, doesn't really matter if the organic example has left over nutes at harvest, so long as nutes are still in compound form. If harvest sees remaining NPK in the medium, there might be a higher amount of impurities in the organic example than the depleted chem example.

 

[Hammerhead]

IMO organics dont break down the same amounts. If I use Organics it will take time foir it to become available theres not always going to be a constant supply of what ever there is the salts left behind will be considerable lower then chem IMO. If I feed Chem nutrients there is always going to be much higher levels in the medium compaired to Organics. This is not something new that I have seen. All of the similar test that I have seen show data that chem leaves higher level of everything then Organics do.. You can test it yourself you will see the same thing.. If not I will have to smoke a bowl with ya

 

[thinkin]

results vs what we think we know

results vs what we think we know

Hammer - I hear ya!

Conventional wisdom has been Organics are cleaner than Chemicals.

But my body doesnt agree. I want to figure out why.
By no means, can we draw an major conclusion with these experiments.

EC measures salts. Salts might not be the issue.


Just mean to question our assumptions.
Which i believe is the spirit of the original poster's question.

Pictures after the experiment.
If you had to drink one, which one would you drink?
Want to guess which one is organic?

 

[RudeDog]

Sitting here smoking some organic herb, I've just read this whole thread. Good experiment to do and all that but if you feed a plant chemicals they ain't going to be as happy as being fed on organics. Plants don't eat chemicals in nature.

Would you eat chemicals?

Just my opinion.

 

[Homebrewer]

Sitting here smoking some organic herb, I've just read this whole thread. Good experiment to do and all that but if you feed a plant chemicals they ain't going to be as happy as being fed on organics. Plants don't eat chemicals in nature.

Plants do absorb minerals in inorganic form so yes, plants do eat 'chemicals' in nature.

 

[RudeDog]

Plants do absorb minerals in inorganic form so yes, plants do eat 'chemicals' in nature.

Not been made in a factory though..

 

[Hammerhead]

you could rectify the issues by water curing all your bud..