Looking to move to a medical state..Tell me about ur state

[Securityfirst]

Yes4Prop215- you are correct, NC does have some pretty lax laws. But the infrastructure isn't there like in med states..

California is still good if you can afford it, imo. It still has the best pot laws, but if you are trying to cash in, I agree (housing, electric, "flooded market") are no bueno.

But if one grows the bomb, it will still sell I believe. hmmm, decisions!!!

Thats a thought too, just dont kid yourself. You need 25 or preferably 50k to get rolling in a legit manner

 

[Yes4Prop215]

^yea that would be barebones investment and living in a van or tent for the summer....for a nice secluded property with a house or trailer to live in and at least half acre of cleared sunny space probably more like 100k.....just found my dream property in norcal buts its over 200 grand nice 3bdroom house on more than a dozen acres...owner wants 25% down though...plus gotta factor in another 10k to get the ball rolling and pay first bills up through harvest...

 

[YUMYUMSYRUP]

For now i would just do a 10x10 spare bedroom and have 20-30 plants and harvest 10 plants a mth..and aim for 2lbs a mth..I know not alot of money but enough till i can learn how to manage more plants than that..Prob a yr then a 3 bedroom house with a basement and use that..Also how much is electric in nor cal or in michigan??Those r my 2 choices 2 depending on crime, waether and crazy spiders and snakes lol...I cant stand poisonus things..I know funny but the truth..

 

[YUMYUMSYRUP]

Im starting to think it may be nor cali...Where does the 99 plant limit start in nor..cali..I know humbolt county, is this it and what cities or towns does humbolt cover..Looking on craigslist at houses and apts..Was also looking at redding and that area chico, red bluff, any info on these places would be great..

 

[turbolaser4528]

50k to 100k? jesus..

I was thinking start out in a one bedroom, run 2-4k in flower and work way up from there, make connections, etc..

With a regular day job, shouldn't be too hard? It would take a while to save 50k haha damn!

 

[YUMYUMSYRUP]

Me too i just think some people r crazy so i dont pay them any attention, cuz thats all they want..Where r u located^^..I want a 2 bedroom and 1-2 bathroom on the 2nd floor 6-800 a mth..Run 4 600w lights and 20-30 plants..

 

[Yes4Prop215]

butte county/chico has motions to restrict plant limits back to 12 per plot.....only place you can do 99 is humbolt county but people know this and good grow property is at a premium and wont be easy to find.....santa cruz and san francisco have 72 plant limits but once again rent is high as fuck.....my mom owns a condo in santa cruz...tiny 2 bedroom 2 bath condo market value rent is 2k a month.....


PGE rates in california without CARE program are around $ 1k per month for every 5 lights....so a 5 light grow will run you 2k every flowering cycle....if you have care it cuts down about to around 50 percent...i ran 2400 watts at my first grow and our monthly bills were around 250 for electricity...

california is gonna be hard to do indoors sucessfully...your best bet is to find a cheap outdoor property like the one in my 18 smartpot grow....its a trailer on half an acre on the outskirts of chico that we rent for 800 a month....2 bedrooms, bath, bare living essentials...and we crammed every possible place with a smartpot...soil and materials to set up all the 18 plants was around 3-5k....plus the rent for the year is around 10k....so having a good 20k nest egg to rely on should be enough....


also you should know that even though california state law "allows" up to a certain amount of plants.....if you go over the 6/12 limit you are definately risking more.....medical marijuana is an affirmitive defense which means they can chop all your plants down or worse arrest and charge you and you will have to prove to them you have medical necessity......the state medical laws dont garuntee anything...but overal a small 5kw indoor grow or under 20 outdoor plants is way below radar and shouldnt get their attention, just gotta worry about rippers....


and i hope you're not saying im crazy or looking for attention just giving you the hard facts of life...you are talking to someone who is about to spend 50k to lock down outdoor property for 2012....and i know guys who have poured 20 grand easy into their indoor setups...my 10x10 5kw room cost 5 grand to set up but it could easily use another 5 grand to make it complete.....if you wanna use 2nd hand equiptment mismatching hoods yea you could probably do it for cheaper but you will soon realize a sloppy room is no fun to grow in...

 

[Trinity Gold]

I know of people who have come to this area with 50K only to be gone one year later in debt...Your best bet is to line up a legitimate job in whatever medical state you can get in to. The fact of the matter is that if the 'man' wants you bad enough he will find a way to get you, so just get your medical recommendation from a doctor in whatever state you can lock down a job in before you move there because you will probably fuck up your grows for a while before you figure out what you're really getting in to.

You will not find a 2-3 bedroom house in Humboldt County for 6-800 dollars a month. Most non friend rentals are not OK with growing and will put you in the street if they catch you growing in the house.

 

[amatuer hour]

Boulder County, Colorado. Best place I've ever lived for all reasons non-pot.

For pot, well, the police are generally very liberal about here. In terms of making a living, yikes. I'm a social guy and I haven't met a single person who even hinted he might be able to help me move weight.

Very insulated here, much more than CA in my experience.

 

[YUMYUMSYRUP]

butte county/chico has motions to restrict plant limits back to 12 per plot.....only place you can do 99 is humbolt county but people know this and good grow property is at a premium and wont be easy to find.....santa cruz and san francisco have 72 plant limits but once again rent is high as fuck.....my mom owns a condo in santa cruz...tiny 2 bedroom 2 bath condo market value rent is 2k a month.....


PGE rates in california without CARE program are around $ 1k per month for every 5 lights....so a 5 light grow will run you 2k every flowering cycle....if you have care it cuts down about to around 50 percent...i ran 2400 watts at my first grow and our monthly bills were around 250 for electricity...

california is gonna be hard to do indoors sucessfully...your best bet is to find a cheap outdoor property like the one in my 18 smartpot grow....its a trailer on half an acre on the outskirts of chico that we rent for 800 a month....2 bedrooms, bath, bare living essentials...and we crammed every possible place with a smartpot...soil and materials to set up all the 18 plants was around 3-5k....plus the rent for the year is around 10k....so having a good 20k nest egg to rely on should be enough....


also you should know that even though california state law "allows" up to a certain amount of plants.....if you go over the 6/12 limit you are definately risking more.....medical marijuana is an affirmitive defense which means they can chop all your plants down or worse arrest and charge you and you will have to prove to them you have medical necessity......the state medical laws dont garuntee anything...but overal a small 5kw indoor grow or under 20 outdoor plants is way below radar and shouldnt get their attention, just gotta worry about rippers....


and i hope you're not saying im crazy or looking for attention just giving you the hard facts of life...you are talking to someone who is about to spend 50k to lock down outdoor property for 2012....and i know guys who have poured 20 grand easy into their indoor setups...my 10x10 5kw room cost 5 grand to set up but it could easily use another 5 grand to make it complete.....if you wanna use 2nd hand equiptment mismatching hoods yea you could probably do it for cheaper but you will soon realize a sloppy room is no fun to grow in...

The only thing i disagree with u about is how much u need to get started..I mean lights r only 300bucks+/- for 600w..So 1200-1500 for equipment Then maybe 400-500 for grow supplies..Plus 2k for a place..So about 4k to get started granted rent, electric and food will be for 2 more months before harvest so another 2k there..So im seeing around 6k before i see a harvest..And u can find apts in humbolt county for around 800 bucks its the security deposite that kills ya..And how can they throw u out in the streets if ur paying rent and they dont say anything about growing....

 

[Sam the Caveman]

The only thing i disagree with u about is how much u need to get started..I mean lights r only 300bucks+/- for 600w..So 1200-1500 for equipment Then maybe 400-500 for grow supplies..Plus 2k for a place..So about 4k to get started granted rent, electric and food will be for 2 more months before harvest so another 2k there..So im seeing around 6k before i see a harvest..And u can find apts in humbolt county for around 800 bucks its the security deposite that kills ya..And how can they throw u out in the streets if ur paying rent and they dont say anything about growing....

Every landlord is going to require that you have some type of income. If your young and moving to mendo, the landlords are going to know right off the bat what your up to if you don't have a job. Anywhere else and they probably won't think that.

Another thing, I wouldn't count on a first harvest for 3 months, maybe 3.5 months and thats if you already have rooted clones ready to go. On your first round, you have to account for veg time and drying then you have to find someone who wants it. It would be good to move there with a few lbs of your best, that way you already will have some connections by your first harvest and when someone signs you up to be their caregiver, you will have something for them and won't be like "alright, thanks, I'll get in touch in 3 months." So, yeah, they will be real excited for you to be their caregiver then. (/sarcasm)

So, realistically, without a job lined up and no herb brought with you, I would say you will need rent money for 4-6 months, that is if someone will even rent to you without a job.

I'm not trying to bring you down but this is the reality of the situation.

And don't forget gas money to get you to Cali and driving around once your there for months, food money for many months, deposits for electric and gas, internet, a bed and other furniture, a cali drivers license, doc visits to get your card.

Don't know how far you are, but for me gas to get to cali would be over 2 thousand dollars. But thats for a truck pulling a trailer with my more valuable shit crammed in it, worth much more than 2 grand. If I could sell it and buy it back in cali for the same amount I would but some things don't work like that.

 

[Trinity Gold]

If you think you're going to do 5 600 watts in a bedroom of a 6-800 dollar apartment in Humboldt, please share some of your stash with me..

 

[Yes4Prop215]

yumyum you will need way more than just the lights...in norcal it can hit 90 degrees outside and 4 600s are gonna burn your nugs...so you gotta add another 500-1k for a good intake/exhaust setup or go sealed with an AC......a top of the line AC for a 10x10 room can easily cost a couple grand...you can go cheap with a 500 dollar portable but that will crap out after a few years....plus you cannot just run 3kw worth of lights/equipment off standard sockets you will burn the house down....you will have to spend some money for a good timer box (250 from DX sound) and run off your 30amp or 50amp stove...unless you pay a sparky to add more circuits....a standard bedroom only runs a 120v 15amp circuit enough to safely run 1 light plus a fan or two...


i emphasize having much more than 10k because you never know what can go wrong...landlord finds your grow and evicts you, powder mildew or spider mites ruin your crop....2nd hand ballast/light breaks and you gotta buy new one....the list goes on and on and on and on...

ive only been growing 3 years but it seems every grow there is a new set of problems that you gota dump some money into to fix....


also in humbolt county everyone grows nice outdoor weed so mid quality indoors isnt gonna sell unless you can ship it back home to your buddies...but if the box gets seized boom your back in the red again...


not trying to discourage you just letting you know what you gotta plan for....growing rarely goes smooth, there are always obstacles. also you cannot just expect your first grow to produce top notch nuggets.....my first grow had good product but shitty yeild...2nd grow had good yield but shitty product....3 years later im finally getting good product and good yeild but still no where near its potential.....growing is a big learning curve takes a few years to get used to it....



if you only have 600-800 a month....better make that 800 because 600 will get you a bedroom in someone elses house in california. the only realistic place you can get 2 bedrooms for under 1k a month is in East Oakland, Richmond, Stockton, Tracy....and having good credit and job history is pretty important unless you want to live in the ghetto...most landlords here are very very very aware of marijuana grows there have been thousands of people before you come out here....alot of ads on craigslist have (NO PROP215) because they know whats up....shit if i was to rent my moms condo i would only rent to a bunch of nerdy asian foreign exchange students, i would never rent to a single male from out of state with no job history its a huge red flag that you are gonna be growing...

 

[Yes4Prop215]

and just so you know...my first grow was also 2400 watts. no electrical upgrades we ran extension cords across the house cant believe we didnt start a fire lol...the landlord was super nosy and had to tear down the grow twice to hide it from him......we had mismatching lights most of which i ended up giving away for free or using as veg lights later on....i didnt make any money off that first grow it was all learning....most of the weed wasnt even good enough to sell (bad cure = crispy nugs) and i broke down the rest to help pay the bills but barely broke even....in order to pay bills and luxury spending back in those days i had to buy LBs from my friends and break them down and build up a customer base.....not trying to discourage you because i had extra funds in savings to help get me through the tough times and now im doing alright...but took me alot of work to get where i am right now..

 

[YUMYUMSYRUP]

I just know what im seeing on craigslist for apts...I mean most r for 1000+ but u can find a few for 800-900...This is eureka where im finding these apts under humbolt county...I mean if i move there from another state naturally im not gonna have a job..Gonna have to find 1 so they cant hold that against me if i pay 2 mths up front..I know that anything can go wrong but i guess im hoping it wont, i need a brake in life its been pretty rough up till now..And why cant u have a harvest in 3 mths...Buy clones veg for 2 weeks and with 8 weeks strains thats 10 weeks 1 week drying and 2 week cure...Just over 3 mths..Just seems like they're alot of debby downers...

 

[silver hawaiian]

I just know what im seeing on craigslist for apts...I mean most r for 1000+ but u can find a few for 800-900...This is eureka where im finding these apts under humbolt county...I mean if i move there from another state naturally im not gonna have a job..Gonna have to find 1 so they cant hold that against me if i pay 2 mths up front..I know that anything can go wrong but i guess im hoping it wont, i need a brake in life its been pretty rough up till now..And why cant u have a harvest in 3 mths...Buy clones veg for 2 weeks and with 8 weeks strains thats 10 weeks 1 week drying and 2 week cure...Just over 3 mths..Just seems like they're alot of debby downers...

YumYum

I'm with all of these guys here - I don't think anybody wants to discourage you, but people are trying to give you the brass tacks, the REAL view, not the rose-colored glasses version..

"Needing a break" isn't much of something you can control - the universe will let you know when you're getting a break, or when things lighten up in your world..

And "I guess I'm hoping it won't [go wrong].." "Hope" isn't ever a plan - it's actually the absence of a plan.. If keeping our fingers crossed worked, then the world would be sans insurance companies, etc..

Best of luck to you, but please do yourself the favor of really researching & thinking this thing out..

 

[Trinity Gold]

We're not trying to be debby downers, just keep you from going through a super rough patch in your life..You will have a horrible time if you're thinking about moving to eureka to work in an apartment..You're going to have a rude awakening.

 

[YUMYUMSYRUP]

Yeah but now ur doing fine right??I know the first yr might be hard but ill handle it..Ive grown a few things now and my only prob was my hieght constraints so my leaves would get burnt on the tops, had 6 haze autos and got 240g of them using a 600w quatum ballast and cooltube but the first month using 300w then the rest was 450w so i never used 600w..so on avg 375w got 240g not bad for autos...Thats why i want a whole bedroom dedicated for a grow..Closet would be for mothers and clones then have about 20 flowering, so i would eventually have a crop every 2 mths or less if i stager them..

 

[silver hawaiian]

This is starting to remind me of a Crush thread .. Lots of well-intentioned folks offering well-meaning advice, and the OP seems to hear only what he wants..

YYS, best of luck to you. Your passion is great, but I'm reminded of an old expression from my pops..

"You've got two ears and one mouth for a reason - you should listen twice as much as you talk."

 

[Bobby Stainless]