Vick on dogfighting in GQ: ‘People act like it’s some crazy thing they never heard of

[paulo73]

I did not feel any...

I did not feel any...

It's just my feeling, and opinion, that when you are CAPABLE of committing such horrific acts, nobody should give a fuck about your ability to earn in the future. You fucked up so bad, you forfeited your ability to live in society amongst those who try to live for the greater good of all.

You say it's counterproductive to continue to scorn him after he's served his time, I say he didn't serve enough. Agree to disagree, but sadly (IMO, again), things are what they are.. he served his (light) sentence, and is being given the ability to live the good life, while the rest of us who try to live 'good', get to live the difficult life and are supposed to be entertained by him... excuse the obvious resentment in my tone.....

edit: by the way, wasn't he already making shitloads of cash, WHILE fighting dogs? He's stopped because he was caught, not that he now makes enough money to escape his culture. It's nobodies fault but his own if he went back to dogfighting because the NFL was no longer an option.

...those sounded like sensible words to me

 

[ItGrows]

mmmk

mmmk

He's just sorry he got caught and called on it. He saw the bucks above all else. STILL does. What are his consequences? A slap on the wrist, bullshit contrition, and a million bucks from the NFL. He certainly should have been banned.

Hey lost over $100,000,000 maybe that doesnt sound like a lot but it more than people that murder humans have to pay.

Wait.. Mike Vick is japanese?
That's a defence? Are you his lawyer?

No i'm suggesting you protest Japan as a nation also. Stop buying there goods till they change there laws. Or is it because he is a black athlete/celebrity?

There's no excuse for some of the shit he did, "cultural" or not. I'd love to see the tables turned around, see that fucker get mauled by the dogs he tortured/electrocuted.

Fuck him, and fuck anyone that defends that piece of shit!

He deserved a LOT more than he got, and he's got the balls to act like it was no big deal??? Fuck that, and fuck him! He doesn't deserve nothing else but a mauling & a long-hospital-stay-grade asswhupping!

Do you think a human that beats another human into a bloody pulp like you suggest deserve's to be accepted back into society also?

Sorry weird but you are making few or no sense.
I come from a ghetto myself and crack, H and dog fights were daily business just as a way of destroying any remains of proper culture on those black communities.
I am a bit nervous and emotional with your bullshit and i apologize for that, but i have seen way too many , black and white, fallen to that kind of "culture" and to make it even worst i have lost another few that were just trying to bring some culture, information and good prospects to those ghettos. At the hands of those promoting the dogs fighting, crack consumption and other easy ways to make money and destroy lives.
I do not wish him any harm but his success and subsequent speech only gives a bad example in all possible senses.
Am i making any sense to you?
By the way i am a white Caucasian male from south Europe and i was born in the early 70s. Just to give you some background.

So you are 20yrs older than mike. At what age were you when you realized dog fighting was bad? Did your parents tell you it was bad? I for for one have no idea. I grew up in a really red neck area of the country. Racism is a common practice and language. It was a part of my culture into my early 20's. I have moved past that because I have become educated. Mike was educated on dog fighting. What more would you have him do?

He can make his amends by jumping in front of a train...there is no forgiveness for ****s like that.

He can try and make all the amends he wants but he's still going to burn in hell

Would you push him in front of that train? Do you think your god would want somebody like you? Somebody that doesnt respect human life? I have to wonder who you god is that wants you to judge mike here on earth. I thought that was your gods job. You use a god to make your point. At the same time you condemn yourself by the things you say.

Colossians 3:13
Bear with each other and forgive whatever grievances you may have against one another. Forgive as the Lord forgave you

Luke 6:37
Do not judge, and you will not be judged. Do not condemn, and you will not be condemned. Forgive, and you will be forgiven

Matthew 6:14-16
For if you forgive men when they sin against you, your heavenly Father will also forgive you. But if you do not forgive men their sins, your Father will not forgive your sins

Mark 11:25
And when you stand praying, if you hold anything against anyone, forgive him, so that your Father in heaven may forgive you your sins.

dog fighting is a black / hisspanic ghetto culture thing , man I wish he would just breed his own children to fight , jack them on steroids/ beat, molest them ....now that s a sport 2 ghetto year old baby fights
I hate anyone who can be so ignorant as MV ,

I hope some buddy went atm on him inside..... fucking douchebag

You sir are a racist.

mike vick was no "dog man" no way in hell an old school "dog man" treats dogs the way he did.

He did have house dogs that didnt fight. He was breeding fighting dogs. Not making just any dog fight. In his mind that was acceptable.

It sure sounds like a defense for Vick... and a pretty terrible one at that.

'Well, what you do is illegal too!' - First off, my weed doesn't chain something to a treadmill, electrocute it, or cause harm to others. My weed doesn't give me the ability to be a cold-mother fucker that can torture other living things for no god damn reason...

Put yourself in Vick's shoes during the time he was doing the dog fighting. You just come home, you check out your 'business' and you hear constant yelping and crying from multiple dogs. Really, get a good mental image of this: Blood-curdling yelps and screams from an animal who's only instinct is to survive in a situation they were forced to be in.

Now, imagine chaining that dog up to whatever random device you feel like at the time - forcing the dog to run non-stop till it reaches exhaustion... drowning a dog, literally, drowning it to death. Electrocuting it, watching the body of the animal convulse and move involuntarily because of all the volts your putting through it's body. Taking a stick and beating an animal, causing incredible pain to something that, if treated well, would only want to be a loyal companion to you.

Ya man, growing weed and torturing an animal is the same exact level of immorality, because the man said so. Fuck that mindset dude, if you really see things this way, I'd kindly ask you to pull head out of ass.

No I think you are so blinded by anger you didnt understand what he was trying to say. Let me try it a different way. Imagine a feed lot with 1000's of farm animals smashed into stalls that are only big enough for the animals to expand. Now listen to the gun shots that are being blasted into there heads. Is your hamburger and bacon just as yummy now? How about the milk you drink? Animals are abused every where. Have you eaten fast food in your life? If you have you support the corporate way of animal torture.


I dont approve of anything mike did. But I do forgive him for his mistakes. I think he deserves a second chance.

 

[dagnabit]

my point in "counterproductive" is:
if your concern is prevention of suffering of animals over vengeance you would not leave the only avenue to prosperity through cruelty...

analogy:
this guy trying to come up steals 100K+ worth of liquor from a local bar's storage.
he gets busted and convicted of multiple felonies.
now the doors to legitimate prosperity are closed to him by his convicted felon status(compounded by the nature of the conviction)
the avenues left to the person are illegal
rather than turning a criminal into a productive member you have habitualized him.

so if your concern is the prevention of further cruelty it's probably counterproductive to tell a guy who made money at dog fighting and football he cant play football.

 

[ItGrows]

my point in "counterproductive" is:
if your concern is prevention of suffering of animals over vengeance you would not leave the only avenue to prosperity through cruelty...

analogy:
this guy trying to come up steals 100K+ worth of liquor from a local bar's storage.
he gets busted and convicted of multiple felonies.
now the doors to legitimate prosperity are closed to him by his convicted felon status(compounded by the nature of the conviction)
the avenues left to the person are illegal
rather than turning a criminal into a productive member you have habitualized him.

so if your concern is the prevention of further cruelty it's probably counterproductive to tell a guy who made money at dog fighting and football he cant play football.

So you think the NFL should be the moral compass of humanity?

 

[ItGrows]

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/sh...ames-God-for-his-overtime-drop?urn=nfl-289770

Now you can change your sig...

 

[paulo73]

Thank you for your educated input

Thank you for your educated input

Hey lost over $100,000,000 maybe that doesnt sound like a lot but it more than people that murder humans have to pay.

How much did he make out of it?

No i'm suggesting you protest Japan as a nation also. Stop buying there goods till they change there laws. Or is it because he is a black athlete/celebrity?

Don´t come and play the race card, it´s a low blow and you sound much more gifted than that.

So you are 20yrs older than mike. At what age were you when you realized dog fighting was bad? Did your parents tell you it was bad? I for for one have no idea. I grew up in a really red neck area of the country. Racism is a common practice and language. It was a part of my culture into my early 20's. I have moved past that because I have become educated. Mike was educated on dog fighting. What more would you have him do?

I was raised in the middle of that and NEVER condoned those practices. Had some hard times and a few fights because of that and i´ve myself a promise of never having any animal companion if i didn´t had the means to treat him properly.
I also was brought in a very racist society and before i was 10years of age i started having problems within my family for being a white middle class kid that hangs out with "black dudes".
I never kept my mouth shut and never become a racist myself.
Sadly i fall into drugs big time but after that i payed all my deeds and i´ve never expected to be forgiven or receive a tap in the back after all the shit i´ve done. I needed to make my 2nd chances myself.In the middle of my drug addiction i lost a few good jobs shall i keep it against my former bosses for not having me back?
I would make Mike start a new career. Maybe using his expertise in helping young kids to avoid the same kind of problems.
This was just the 1st thought that cross my mind but i am sure that there are plenty of other positive and proactive ways of using this event, don´t you think?

 

[dagnabit]

He did have house dogs that didnt fight. He was breeding fighting dogs. Not making just any dog fight. In his mind that was acceptable.

the two are not mutually exclusive

i've been 'round dog men all my life.
more times than you can count i've cuddled Mr Bodreaux dogs as a young boy...
hell i was baby sat by a GC. bitch
the dog in my ava was a rescued fighter pup...

dog men dont drown dogs who don't scratch. they don't electrocute losers.

i got away from that shit at 15 years old but 15 years of daily exposure gives you perspective...

there are different types of dog fights and different types of dog fighters..

for instance if people really knew the truth about japan's tosa inu fighting they would never compare it to western pit bull fighting.

in tosa "fights" blood shed or aggressive noises are an automatic DQ.

it is a wrestling match to the first pin.

 

[dagnabit]

So you think the NFL should be the moral compass of humanity?

how in the world did you come up with that?!?!?

 

[stc9357]

Some of you need to get off your podium the man made a mistake he's paid for it- case closed. Everyone gets a second chance in America including growers who serve prison terms.

 

[someotherguy]

So you think the NFL should be the moral compass of humanity?

No, we'll leave that to you bro, you seem to have all the excuses down pat.

The way I see it, even if he deserves to be forgiven for his disgusting 'culture', he also deserves to be banned from the game so that young people who watch football aren't infected by his 'cultural' influence.

And allowing him to play proves that the NFL has no integrity at all, for them profit is the only concern.

Stop making excuses for this despicable piece of shit and think about the message this sends to the world, and most especially to our inner-city children!

SOG

 

[ItGrows]

Hey lost over $100,000,000 maybe that doesnt sound like a lot but it more than people that murder humans have to pay.

How much did he make out of it?

No i'm suggesting you protest Japan as a nation also. Stop buying there goods till they change there laws. Or is it because he is a black athlete/celebrity?

Don´t come and play the race card, it´s a low blow and you sound much more gifted than that.

So you are 20yrs older than mike. At what age were you when you realized dog fighting was bad? Did your parents tell you it was bad? I for for one have no idea. I grew up in a really red neck area of the country. Racism is a common practice and language. It was a part of my culture into my early 20's. I have moved past that because I have become educated. Mike was educated on dog fighting. What more would you have him do?

I was raised in the middle of that and NEVER condoned those practices. Had some hard times and a few fights because of that and i´ve myself a promise of never having any animal companion if i didn´t had the means to treat him properly.
I also was brought in a very racist society and before i was 10years of age i started having problems within my family for being a white middle class kid that hangs out with "black dudes".
I never kept my mouth shut and never become a racist myself.
Sadly i fall into drugs big time but after that i payed all my deeds and i´ve never expected to be forgiven or receive a tap in the back after all the shit i´ve done. I needed to make my 2nd chances myself.In the middle of my drug addiction i lost a few good jobs shall i keep it against my former bosses for not having me back?
I would make Mike start a new career. Maybe using his expertise in helping young kids to avoid the same kind of problems.
This was just the 1st thought that cross my mind but i am sure that there are plenty of other positive and proactive ways of using this event, don´t you think?

He was bankrupt. He had less than 0. He has been paying back millions of dollars to the Atlanta falcons. He gives many speeches about dog fighting. He is delivering them to the neighborhoods most people wouldn't step into. Don't be so naive. This was a non topic till mike got busted. How many dog fighting threads have you read or participated in before this? The fact of the matter is not many people cared about it till this was brought out. Now he is doing what he can. I respect that.

 

[Slangheat]

Some of you need to get off your podium the man made a mistake he's paid for it- case closed. Everyone gets a second chance in America including growers who serve prison terms.

Why does the grow thing get tossed in here so often? Where you do equate the two, stc9357?

All criminals are not the same. Murder, rape, theft, torture and a few other things are not to be tolerated.

Since you equate the two, I have to wonder if you have a mind to think for yourself, or if you really do think that "if it's a crime, it must be wrong" - without being bright enough that you could see for yourself how completely ass-backwards society is ruled.\

edit: seems coffee was strong this morning, feeling like I'm way too active with my opinion here and am gonna step out, hope I didn't step on anyones toes...

 

[Puffaluffagus]

The fact of the matter is not many people cared about it till this was brought out. Now he is doing what he can. I respect that.

He's "doing what he can" because he was forced to.
If he had his way, he'd still be fighting dogs, period.
I have no respect for him.

 

[ItGrows]

No, we'll leave that to you bro, you seem to have all the excuses down pat.

The way I see it, even if he deserves to be forgiven for his disgusting 'culture', he also deserves to be banned from the game so that young people who watch football aren't infected by his 'cultural' influence.

And allowing him to play proves that the NFL has no integrity at all, for them profit is the only concern.

Stop making excuses for this despicable piece of shit and think about the message this sends to the world, and most especially to our inner-city children!

SOG

I guess you only see life in negatives. That is a horrible way to live. I wont try to convince you he is a good guy. Just that he deserves a second chance. So according to your logic of business ethics, mike should never be allowed to work again. Or is it he should never be allowed to earn millions of dollars?

 

[ItGrows]

He's "doing what he can" because he was forced to.
If he had his way, he'd still be fighting dogs, period.
I have no respect for him.

How the hell would you know what is in his mind. That is the root of the problem in this thread. Some people do change. He is doing more than the court asked him to. So you can have your opinion. But at least know what you speak of.

 

[paulo73]

Realities are different from one place to the other i give you that ITGrows, but in my book you are still condoning dog fights, which i find dreadful. I also don´t think he has done enough to pay for his mistakes and for sure i don´t think he should be allowed to be back as a sportsman.
I´ve read and participated in a few threads about dog fighting and how it started back in Portugal in the middle of the 90s and in how it was related with criminality, ghettos and gang life. Without a doubt one lousy import from this kind of "culture" that you are trying to promote. But this said even if it was my first time would that matter?In what sense?
I´ve told you that dog fighting was a issue to me since my teenager years so don´t come and "naive me" little broda. I´ve never ever even heard about mike vic until today i was just interested in the subject itself.
You have already played the race card, the class card, the education card...what is next?

 

[huligun]

do the dogs he killed and maimed get second chance?

He threw them away like garbage.

I ever see Vick he get a taste of pain

 

[In~Plain~Site]

Hypocritical Fucks

Hypocritical Fucks

He served his time...end of story, unless a few more belly-achers want to join the chorus?

The reverse is also true....don't like the law the way it's written?

Sounds like a supreme opportunity to get off your soapboxes and do something...or you could just STFU

Seems to be a common thread amongst 'stoners', along with peace and love /sarcasm off

Choice is yours

Why does the grow thing get tossed in here so often? Where you do equate the two, stc9357?

All criminals are not the same. Murder, rape, theft, torture and a few other things are not to be tolerated.

Since you equate the two, I have to wonder if you have a mind to think for yourself, or if you really do think that "if it's a crime, it must be wrong" - without being bright enough that you could see for yourself how completely ass-backwards society is ruled.\

edit: seems coffee was strong this morning, feeling like I'm way too active with my opinion here and am gonna step out, hope I didn't step on anyones toes...

 

[paulo73]

Not my words

Not my words

................

 

[ItGrows]

how in the world did you come up with that?!?!?

It sounded to me like you wanted the NFL to punish him more than our court system. I guess your analogy wasnt clear to me. Either way it is still a relevant statement to a lot of the comments on here.