water cure the buds before chopping? O_O What? will it work?
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Chemy soil??? What?
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water cure the buds before chopping? O_O What? will it work?
Contest? On a contest you get to win a prize.
Nothing but a silly sense of self importance could arouse from a contest like this. Yet I started this thread not out of that need to feel important. I started it just to understand if my thinking is correct or not here.
wait what? which side are you on organics or chemicals? cuz organics is like the laziest method of growing ever, plant a seed and water when thirsty. after 4 months cut down, dry and smoke.
i forgot who asked, but its not hard to mix up nutes not any work at all. i have a jug 1 gallon size. i fill it with water in my bathroom and walk upstairs with it. my bathroom is downstairs so i guess thats kinda like work, but i would go get water in the bathroom if i was doing organic too.
i open the tops of the bottles, i stick a syringe in the micro bottle and measure out how many mL i need, then i squirt it into the jug of water, then i do the same with the bloom formula, i give it a quick swish then i water my plants.
when i was doing organics it was the same except after 3-4 weeks of flower i was measuring up some epsom salts and alaska morbloom cuz the nutes run out after 6 weeks from seed when i do organic. i aint got time for bubbling teas and all that other shit thats supposed to be easier than measuring out 22mL of chemical ferts and mixing into a gallon of water. so maybe if i did use guano tea or whatever i wouldnt have to add magnesium and phosphorus halfway through the grow.
different strokes. my new favorite method is dwc.
mostnonymouse
Member
The pumpkin grower reference brings up an excellent point...They use synthetics nutes to boost their pumpkins to an otherwise unachievable size, and this is a prime example of using chemicals in conjunction with an organic system for a desired "benefit", in this case, a freaking massive pumpkin. I don't know for sure, but I'm willing to bet that none of those giant pumpkins would taste any good if you cracked them open, organic or not. If we liken this to cannabis, we'd be talking about a lollipop-type grow with an attempt at achieving the largest single top cola possible. Again it comes down to yield, and yield alone.
What most here believe is that organic quality is superior to that of an entirely chemical grow, and that quality is far more important and desirable (not to mention worthy of bragging rights) than GPW or overall yield. If your goal is to produce as much weed as possible in the shortest amount of time, most folks are putting their money on hydroponics hands down, especially if you're factoring veg time into play. If you're going for a private stash of the best tasting buds with the most complex high that cannabis has to offer, I'm putting my money on an organic soil grow. I choose to grow organic for a whole host of reasons, but one of the biggest benefits in my eyes is the resulting product...the quality, not the quantity.
What most here believe is that organic quality is superior to that of an entirely chemical grow, and that quality is far more important and desirable (not to mention worthy of bragging rights) than GPW or overall yield. If your goal is to produce as much weed as possible in the shortest amount of time, most folks are putting their money on hydroponics hands down, especially if you're factoring veg time into play. If you're going for a private stash of the best tasting buds with the most complex high that cannabis has to offer, I'm putting my money on an organic soil grow. I choose to grow organic for a whole host of reasons, but one of the biggest benefits in my eyes is the resulting product...the quality, not the quantity.
Good stuff friend, your on a roll I can't rep you up anymore.
I have noticed a certain thickness or maybe richness and depth that becomes more apparent as the curing happens with high quality organic buds. I have not found the same to be true with chem buds. Maybe I am becoming a pot snob, I hope so.
I rarely turn down good bud though whatever way it was grown, and I have smoked pretty damn good bud grown with miracle grow so what do I know?
This is just so subjective to argue about though and soon becomes a dick size contest.
The absolute biggest buds I have seen and smoked were big bud. They were huge and heavy, but only so so in quality. None of my crowd messes with it anymore.......scrappy
mostnonymouse
Member
There is plenty of awesome chem/hydroponically grown bud out there, and plenty of shitty god-awful organically grown bud out there... I just feel that a properly grown organic soil plant will be superior in quality to an identical counterpart grown with chemicals. Very few folks would argue against that.
redneck shogun
Member
I didn't want to be the dick but somebody has to do it. These guys are just being nice to you because they are above that kind of shit. But calling them out on their knowledge? Seriously? Believe me son you are not on the level and I'll leave it at that.
By the way there are numerous "show us your buds" threads in this organic soil forum. Why don't you check them out and compare a healthy plant to yours.
Edit: I am not calling out all chem growers, there are countless chem growers that grow great weed. I just want this one to open their eyes a little wider.
C
CT Guy
It is true that when I mention giant pumpkin growers it's important to keep in mind that their only goal is weight (yield). These pumpkins are not bred to eat, so using chemicals is not a health issue in this regard.
Can't comment on the taste/flavor/harshness of chemical buds, as I've never tried one before.....some good growers I know though swear they can tell a difference and I'm inclined to believe them.
Z
Ziggaro
I don't get it
C
CC_2U
Scrappy
It's hard to say with a name like 'Big Bud' but there was and is a strain out of Portland, Oregon called 'Big Bud' and has been around since the 1980's. It was developed as a 'cash cropper' and like you said it produces the biggest colas most people have ever seen. It was and is complete sh*t. Worthless. Nada. Zilch. Nix.
What always gets lost on the 'huge pumpkin' analogy is that many of the real competitors stick with a small number of hybrids. It's not like they head over to Walmart and pickup a pack of Burpee Pumpkin Seeds and start high-dosing with Miracle Grow and through 'real science' achieve 1,700+ lb. fruit.
Sometimes size really doesn't matter - unless one is dating.
CC
The stuff I'm familier with came out of a Canadanian seed company, in BC I think. I wouldn't go as far as saying worthless, but certainly not high quality. I know someone who is trying a big bud/ white widow cross right now. That should be interesting to see what parent dominates.
I have found some with both high quality and weight though. One plant I run, Recon from DNA genitics, does over 4 zips per plant for me on a consistant basis with a 600W light. Under a 1000W light it does 8 oz with a decent grower. Great quality if you want a night time couch lock effect. Not too good for anything that requires concentration. I have two phenos of this linage and one is super strong, some say too strong, and prone to cause panic attacts in light smokers. It's a nice one to have if you want to shut up a loudmouth, he he..........scrappy
It is not so much that chemical fertilizers kill soil microbes; there are plenty of bacteria/archaea & fungi which will digest and thrive on chemical ferts. however they are [probably] not going to be the microbes you wish to have present to cycle nutrients and protect your plants. Over a period of time, the use of chems. alters the microbial population in the rhyzosphere, thereby potentially opening the door to various pathogens, necessitating the use of further chemicals. (eg. fungicides) Besides this, if you are providing soluble nutrients to your plants you are breaking the cycle of plant feeds microbes: microbes feed plants and this will ultimately result in a microbial die off. Use it or lose it.
on the bat poo thing, bat guano is further processed by insects so guano is really mostly beetle poo, or fossilized beatle poo
the flushing thing - well im thinking thats a bit of an in-joke, because you cant really 'flush' organics by leaching water through the soil.... but thats a whole other can o' worms... lets not go there
VG
the flushing thing - well im thinking thats a bit of an in-joke, because you cant really 'flush' organics by leaching water through the soil.... but thats a whole other can o' worms... lets not go there
VG
What can I say? A Brit recommending 'Beatle poo' for growing. Now I've heard eveything ;>
I
In~Plain~Site
Some people like the pH balancing properties of soil, it just 'works' for their situation.
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Why does it bother you is the real question...
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Why does it bother you is the real question...
Well now there is someone to disagreeand what an aggressive manner that someone's taking
Well you did miss 4 very important advantages that I mentioned.
Also. Wtf so ok you are using chemical nutes for soil...
But why SOIL??? I see absolutely no reason for taking soil as medium in that case. You will be better off with say coco or some easy hydro setup using chemicals. Why do you go and put chemicals into dirt? I see no advantages. You will even be better of using rockwool or hydroton...
Also there is a huge difference in taking vitamin C pills and eating an orange. If you don't know that oranges have enzymes which are very important things that help to digest stuff that only orange itself contains. While your pill contains pure helpless dead matter of almost no help at all....
In orange's case enzymes work as construction workers helping to place every brick at the right place. In the case of the pill you are just loading yourself with alot of bricks that are of no help.
