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Under the law a drug user is a drug user is a drug user...
Florida to drug test Welfare recipiients.
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Guest 88950
and how long does those hard drugs stay in you system? a few days, so who you going to catch?
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Guest 18340
A great point!
Cannabis stays in your system for MONTHS. So if you're a responsible chiefer right now and suddenly lose your job and find yourself needing temp assistance you are fucked in this state.
I'm all for testing cash benefit recipients IF theirs a reason to believe that individual is abusing the system.
I saw a news article about Florida's prescription drug fraud. The relative examples weren't users. They were Medicare and Medicaid criminals, going to one doctor after the other and distributing piece-meal nationwide.
I've seen some addicts but they're typically doing petty crimes instead of organized fraud.
need a script?
head to south beach...
i know junkies who make monthly 7 hour trips from the north end for hillbilly heroin.
Hell yeah dag, they suck off the hard shell and either snort or fire the contents. I remember when pharma announced they'd made oxi time released so their patients wouldn't get so whacked, so fast. Nothing but that damn hard shell that's nothing more to a dope head than M&M candy. Hell, I know how to do that.
We were drinking a few beers at the local pub one night and bartender pointed out a couple of chicks he said were oxi junkies. These chicks were lookers but the bartender said they'd previously walked out of the john with puke on their clothes. How sad.
We were drinking a few beers at the local pub one night and bartender pointed out a couple of chicks he said were oxi junkies. These chicks were lookers but the bartender said they'd previously walked out of the john with puke on their clothes. How sad.
as an ex resident it doesnt suprise me at all. fuck florida except the keys and miami.they also take your car if your caught buying weed in it , or any other drug and sometimes hoes. we used to watch em do their busts and laugh
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rick shaw
Anyone smart will be making a fortune on detox products.
First off, all the info i know on this particular instance is from what ive read in this thread (although they have talked of testing recipients in my state too).
I see both sides on this broad issue...
Govt HANDOUTS should go to those who deserve it, not those sitting around getting hammered and loaded, claiming they are looking for employment (the state is paying you to LOOK for a job.)
However, I feel MJ is significantly less harmful than alcohol (a legal drug).
Also, drug tests are basically useless, unless administered within 3-4 days, for every drug EXCEPT MJ.
Add to this, the owners of the drug testing labs are owned by the families of the lawmakers pushing this legislation. (Which raises the obvious question 'is this all for profit?')
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What does someone who stopped getting govt handouts do for income?
This is a major question, and i think the politicians think its as simple as "not buy drugs" with a smirk on their face.
True, they wont be buying drugs with GOVT money anymore, but they still need income. I doubt the former recipients decide, 'Hey ive got to get off drugs now'. Crime may go up.
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I havent seen the numbers, but it would seem the program would save more money that it cost, specifically if they think its only 1.5-3 million (as i think someone mentioned).
If the avg unemployment payment is 20K/year; that would only be 50 people to catch per million dollars offset. If 10% of US citizens are smokers (and i think that figure is higher, i just pulled it outta my ass), they are gonna catch a bunch of burners...
So.. I am for a program like this that is administered by a non profit testing company, will not test for MJ, and has completely random tests. And by random, im not talking 'cycling, baseball or football random'. <-pipedream
But in its present form, fuck that shit.
FWIW im really against coke, heroin, and meth. I would chew coco leaves if i were in the Andes, but the shit they do to process it for export is basically insane; once its here, and cut again, fuck that, thats not what nature intended. Opiates are for old people to experiment with in their twilight years, and meth is probably dirtier than coke.
I see both sides on this broad issue...
Govt HANDOUTS should go to those who deserve it, not those sitting around getting hammered and loaded, claiming they are looking for employment (the state is paying you to LOOK for a job.)
However, I feel MJ is significantly less harmful than alcohol (a legal drug).
Also, drug tests are basically useless, unless administered within 3-4 days, for every drug EXCEPT MJ.
Add to this, the owners of the drug testing labs are owned by the families of the lawmakers pushing this legislation. (Which raises the obvious question 'is this all for profit?')
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What does someone who stopped getting govt handouts do for income?
This is a major question, and i think the politicians think its as simple as "not buy drugs" with a smirk on their face.
True, they wont be buying drugs with GOVT money anymore, but they still need income. I doubt the former recipients decide, 'Hey ive got to get off drugs now'. Crime may go up.
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I havent seen the numbers, but it would seem the program would save more money that it cost, specifically if they think its only 1.5-3 million (as i think someone mentioned).
If the avg unemployment payment is 20K/year; that would only be 50 people to catch per million dollars offset. If 10% of US citizens are smokers (and i think that figure is higher, i just pulled it outta my ass), they are gonna catch a bunch of burners...
So.. I am for a program like this that is administered by a non profit testing company, will not test for MJ, and has completely random tests. And by random, im not talking 'cycling, baseball or football random'. <-pipedream
But in its present form, fuck that shit.
FWIW im really against coke, heroin, and meth. I would chew coco leaves if i were in the Andes, but the shit they do to process it for export is basically insane; once its here, and cut again, fuck that, thats not what nature intended. Opiates are for old people to experiment with in their twilight years, and meth is probably dirtier than coke.
OGXHASHYGUY
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i all for it i have family on welfare and the truth is they abuse the system period my own family ! hey if i have to test to get or keep my job then they should too! if your clean you aint got nothing to worry about right ....finally i see this happen its the same with jobs unemployment yeah all the people i know on unemployment dont want to work as long as the checks keep coming there like man there aint no jobs out there ..yeah you mean there aint no GOOD jobs out there oh well deal with it ! budget dont blow your money on stupid shit if you cant afford my own sister her words i aint taking that shity job it only pay 9 an hour i wont take anything less then 12 an hour im thinking wtf im paying taxes for your ass to be picky ...and had other friends talking about how to stay on unemployment longer bullshit ......oh and tax the fucking rich stop crying oohh we worked hard to earn this money bullshit fuk off like a person flip'n burgers at a fast food place aint working hard wtf whos gonna take a harder hit a person making 12,000 a year or a person making 250,000 a year greedy ass rich people ... sorry i snapped...
medicalgreen
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Folks on welfare are like adults who still go to their parents and expect an allowance.
Grow UP!
Grow UP!
Captain Ginyu
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Definitely gonna see an increase in crime & violence; and sadly that's exactly what the pigs want, it's job security for them.
if you dont like it leave . i did . but if your on welfare you probably cant afford to. fuck florida
Captain Ginyu
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Yeah, I wish I had a "Fuck Florida" bumper sticker. Thing is it might bring unwanted attention to myself, lol. I think we can agree on the possibility of other nearby states following FL's example. So in the end, where the fuck are we gonna run to?
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mugenbao
What a crock of shit. If a buddy smokes you out once a month out of kindness, you shouldn't be able to participate in the program? It's none of the government's fucking business, period.
The common stereotype of people on welfare being useless drains on society is like all other stereotypes: It's just simply not true in many cases. And treating it like it is always true does a terrible disservice to everyone.
That attitude pisses me the fuck off. I had to spend a little time on welfare in my early twenties when life took an abrupt downward turn that was completely beyond my control, and I had kids to take care of. If it was just me, I could have lived under a fucking bridge or surfed a couch at a buddies while I picked myself up, but that wasn't an option with kids to care for.
That was almost twenty years ago. It helped me get back on my feet, get into a career, and go on to become a productive and well-respected member of society. I've gone on to achieve a pretty decent measure of success and raise some brilliant and high-achieving children because that program helped mitigate what could otherwise have become an unrecoverable disaster for my family.
The idea that so many people think that the program shouldn't have been available to me because I toked up a couple of times on the weekends for some much-needed relaxation (for free almost always thanks to some real great buddies) while studying my goddamned ass off for a career as a software developer (and working full-time at the time, just not pulling a big enough paycheck, thank you very much) just pisses me the fuck off. I don't care if it's because other people are leeches or not, that doesn't make it right to fuck over people who aren't taking advantage.
Want people to not spend the taxpayer's money on drugs? Have them keep receipts for every penny or something. Implement *some* kind of accountability. Address the *real* problem. Drug testing is bullshit, for any reason.
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IMO, you're on the right track. We may not know the outcomes but you've mentioned what shall be considered, at least in my opinion.
Coca leaf is very bitter, tastes terrible. But there's a South American banana fruit that's sickeningly sweet. A nibble of banana fruit and a leaf are bearable. An old friend used to hang with a couple of Colombians and said the high was great. Lots of hard laborers chew leaf to stay pepped and productive. Sounds like it's not too damn bad unless it's addictive.
I watched a 60 Minutes episode on Colombian coke about 20 to 25 years ago. They interviewed a local finisher who finished coke base (usually a combination leaf extract and diesel fuel.) The finisher looked like a bad ass, wouldn't want to be on his shit list - said the finishing chemicals were deadly poison. Didn't say what it was though. I think it was acetone that mixed with the base and helped evaporate the diesel fuel element. Turns hard sticky yellow base into soft flake, rock and powder depending on the process.
I used to love that 70s stuff that was finished in SA. Glad I had help kicking it when Acetone or similar chemical was embargoed by the US and participating countries.
GOOD for Florida! I think the rest of the states should follow suit.....
when you and I go and find a new job, to make money, we are often ALWAYS drug screened. It is only fair and practical that welfare recipients should undergo the same treatment in order to determine whether or not they qualify for welfare...
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lots of welfare recipients would not be on welfare if they were not on drugs!
looks like i need to buy stock in the company who makes "quick fix" synthetic urine!
hair samples would be the way for the state to go if they wanted to get a legitimate reading of the recipients...
edit: and to the guy (r1fmakaveli) who left me a neg rep message saying "FUCK YOU", all i have to say is NO, fuck YOU, you piece of shit scumbag. Clearly YOU need to lay off the drugs and go out and see how much easier it is to find a job when your brain is cleared up a bit... the only reason why this sucks is for marijuana users... but when it comes to other hard drugs (which most welfare users are most likely on) then i totally agree that welfare recipients should be screened before they are handed cash that they will just go around and exchange for drugs....
hey r1fmakaveli, i hate when i get pieces of you stuck on the bottom of my shoe... not only do you STINK horribly, but you are a pain in my ass to wash off...
when you and I go and find a new job, to make money, we are often ALWAYS drug screened. It is only fair and practical that welfare recipients should undergo the same treatment in order to determine whether or not they qualify for welfare...
also...
lots of welfare recipients would not be on welfare if they were not on drugs!
looks like i need to buy stock in the company who makes "quick fix" synthetic urine!
hair samples would be the way for the state to go if they wanted to get a legitimate reading of the recipients...
edit: and to the guy (r1fmakaveli) who left me a neg rep message saying "FUCK YOU", all i have to say is NO, fuck YOU, you piece of shit scumbag. Clearly YOU need to lay off the drugs and go out and see how much easier it is to find a job when your brain is cleared up a bit... the only reason why this sucks is for marijuana users... but when it comes to other hard drugs (which most welfare users are most likely on) then i totally agree that welfare recipients should be screened before they are handed cash that they will just go around and exchange for drugs....
hey r1fmakaveli, i hate when i get pieces of you stuck on the bottom of my shoe... not only do you STINK horribly, but you are a pain in my ass to wash off...
This is NOT GOOD AT ALL.
The" if I gotta do it fuck them attitude" is what will bring this down on all of us, somehow.
Think; drivers lic., school loans, hospital/doc. visits, etc. just about anything the fucking scumbags can hold over our head.
They will always win if we don't stick together.
I'm not thrilled by welfare abusing types, either.
But I like 'em better than cops/ politicians.
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The" if I gotta do it fuck them attitude" is what will bring this down on all of us, somehow.
Think; drivers lic., school loans, hospital/doc. visits, etc. just about anything the fucking scumbags can hold over our head.
They will always win if we don't stick together.
I'm not thrilled by welfare abusing types, either.
But I like 'em better than cops/ politicians.
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Everybody that's oversimplifying "welfare mothers" should consider the above. It's a comprehensive example of assistance at work.
IMO, this thread deserves better than soundbites of pandering. Show some of the statistics that support these claims or precede these posts with "ideology only". It'll demonstrate these comments have neither the realities to back them up nor the statistics to quantify what amounts to spin.
I'd like to add what mugebao may have intentionally omitted. He paid into the system prior to benefiting from assistance.
We're more powerful when we help those in need. Even more, those who know that assistance is temporary solution to potential disaster.
That old welfare mother having kids to get more assistance wasn't near the monster as pandered in the 70s and 80s. As evidence, Clinton was credited for shrinking the roles and putting a substantial amount of welfare recipients to work. However, there weren't significant numbers and the savings was pittance.
It's still good to get folks to work but it ain't the zombie that's pandered to the conservative public.
