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LIBERATE YOURSELVES FROM BOTTLED NUTES -- SAVE $$ AND GROW BETTER ORGANIC PLANTS
- Thread starter heady blunts
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okay. i'll put my cherry tomatoes up against his for a taste test anytime.
the reason hydro is so popular is twofold. first, it allowed commercial growers to get higher yields faster. second, awesome marketing.
the "which weed is better" thing is pure opinion, so we could argue that point till we're blue in the face, and neither of us would change our mind.
last time i'm gonna specify, because i don't want to derail this thread into a big argument:
i'm saying THE BEST HYDRO WEED VS THE BEST ORGANIC WEED, the organic weed would be better IMO. i've found in my experience that super top level organic weed has a more complex high and flavor profile than a similarly top level weed grown with synthetic nutrients. i dont know why, but i'd assume it's that you can't fit every micronutrient into a bottle, and you can't guess what exact moment the plant want what specific micronutrient. even the most advanced, dialed-in, laboratory grows don't have the advantage of the plant dictating what it wants and when.
BTW this thread was intended for a specific audience: the group of growers that have come to the organic forum looking for advice on the "switch over," to encourage them to go "all the way." I'm not looking to convince any hard core hydro heads to go organic.
the reason hydro is so popular is twofold. first, it allowed commercial growers to get higher yields faster. second, awesome marketing.
the "which weed is better" thing is pure opinion, so we could argue that point till we're blue in the face, and neither of us would change our mind.
last time i'm gonna specify, because i don't want to derail this thread into a big argument:
i'm saying THE BEST HYDRO WEED VS THE BEST ORGANIC WEED, the organic weed would be better IMO. i've found in my experience that super top level organic weed has a more complex high and flavor profile than a similarly top level weed grown with synthetic nutrients. i dont know why, but i'd assume it's that you can't fit every micronutrient into a bottle, and you can't guess what exact moment the plant want what specific micronutrient. even the most advanced, dialed-in, laboratory grows don't have the advantage of the plant dictating what it wants and when.
BTW this thread was intended for a specific audience: the group of growers that have come to the organic forum looking for advice on the "switch over," to encourage them to go "all the way." I'm not looking to convince any hard core hydro heads to go organic.
in other words you imply less than a 1k can not. You don't want to believe your lying eyes, so you explain away what you can plainly see. either that or you said nothing. Which is it, are you wrong, or blowing smoke?
blank85
Member
No it was merely an example eg 250w vs 1000w.
Say 250w soil vs 250 hydro = hydro will probably be bigger
Say 1000w soil vs 1000w hydro = hydro will probably be bigger
Anything else?
Why are you such a angry lad? Did someone do something horrible to you today?
you should give it a go -
for real this time. organic soil is a discipline that requires you to put in almost all the work at the beginning.
for real this time. organic soil is a discipline that requires you to put in almost all the work at the beginning.
in order to pull this off, you need to pick and choose your harvests. This is how the lie gets sold.
I've grown three different strains now side-by-side with one batch in hydro getting every nute and chem available. Other batch in quality soil getting fed nothing but PH'd water.
Myself and everyone I've ever shared with/smoked out has without question preferred the soil versions. Hydro versions def win if your only concern is speed/total weight.
However, if taste, smell, potency, or sustainable organic techniques have any importance to you whatsoever, I think soil is the clear choice.
Myself and everyone I've ever shared with/smoked out has without question preferred the soil versions. Hydro versions def win if your only concern is speed/total weight.
However, if taste, smell, potency, or sustainable organic techniques have any importance to you whatsoever, I think soil is the clear choice.
blank85
Member
Yes you make perfect sense except for the potency part, i will not believe this until one of you fuckers puts a bong in my hand and defeats me.
blank85
Member
I dont know what you mean. Pick and choose your harvests?
people trying to sell "modern agriculture" always isolate one season's yields and present it as an example of what is sustainable.
but it's not sustainable, so in the end you wind up being able to care for less people.
If you see farming this way, as essentially caring for people, rather than production, you start to see what is actually productive.
Or put it this way - I can now keep my garden going for two weeks at a time with no input really. And not just once or twice - I could just come by for the training and mowing the living mulch, and if I eliminated the scrogging I could spend even less time. The more harvests go by, the less work I will need to put in.
So how likely am I to "take a break"? Do you count that in your yield equation?
Blank; You are advocating organic hydro in the cherry tomato example. Is this indeed how you grew? Organic hydro or aquaponics is sustainable but growing in coco rather than pea gravel is pretty expensive...no?
I don't think organic hydro is sustainable if it is taking us away from the soil.
I heard a guy on the radio dreaming about big food factories that use the sun, so we can cram food production into cities.
Soil and sustainable are inseparable.
I heard a guy on the radio dreaming about big food factories that use the sun, so we can cram food production into cities.
Soil and sustainable are inseparable.
Healthy plants have healthy tissue,stems,and healthy production of oils.
Potency is in the genetics...period. But even not so 'up to par' growing conditions can bring out the best in the genetics of any certain variety.
Potency is in the genetics...period. But even not so 'up to par' growing conditions can bring out the best in the genetics of any certain variety.
blank85
Member
Well i always get the same yield or more in coco every harvest. Im more limited by the light source than anything else. So im not sure if we talking along the same lines here?
I generally get about 150g dry per 400w hps every 9 weeks ie 850g per 400w per 12 months. DONT TAKE THIS TOWARDS YOUR ARGUMENT, i am a NOVICE grower. I dont even know if thats considered adequate or not around here to be honest.
No i havnt done that i use GH. Coco is cheap where i am, how much is pea gravel?
$2/ton or free
blank 85, you need to see for yourself
do a soil grow but don't half-ass it this time.
do a soil grow but don't half-ass it this time.
reposted from VG's 250w thread. he runs 4 plants at a time under hps:
yeah about 8.5 oz i think which is decent, but i think ive had more on the last few runs - more like 9-10 oz. usually a couple of the plants hit 3oz or more. not sure why it's less, perhaps the diesels arent massively big yielders.
livin' off the fat o' the land
VG
blank85
Member
Can you link me to a pea gravel grow? Id be interested in checking it out.
Mad lib i am going to do an outdoor organic at some point.
blank85
Member
230g from a 250w? How long was the veg?
