Hey dude,what's wrong with my plant?

[CC_2U]

I'm teaching this weekend, I DARE any of you to show up. I'll let you teach and give you my pay. You have to talk about what to do this next 4 weeks for the outdoor season. I'll also give you a hug and a gram of hash.

Sure - I'll show up but only if you can assure me that the medicine was grown under precise and sound scientific methods - like flushing with molasses or boiling the plant's roots immediately at the point of harvest to really push out the resin!!!

Let me know.............

CC

 

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[vonforne]

Both of the things you just stated are true, and are true partly because I left. VF, I asked OP what it would take to be me again. No reply. So I always inform at least one mod when I come back. just fyi. But seriously, I'm running out of cool aliases.

I just was sitting here looking at my updated threads, cursing this places name. Thinking "maybe I'll check that "dude" thread. I don't hate that thread. VF let's me joke around." Then...

WTF is going on here?! RAWR


I'm teaching this weekend, I DARE any of you to show up. I'll let you teach and give you my pay. You have to talk about what to do this next 4 weeks for the outdoor season. I'll also give you a hug and a gram of hash.

I just want to hang out. If some fool get's smart with me, they get put on blast. That's just me. I'm the Gordon Ramsey of weed, and this is Hell's Garden. haha

I've hustled homegrown my whole life so I can say f*ck you to anyone anytime. Don't think that stops here. I keep it 100 (as we say in da hood).

But anyways. Mentioning banned members is a violation of TOU, don't make me report you.

decarb, I know who you are.......that is why I mentioned you. Along with MM and some others. It is a joke. Who stuck your thread?

lol

 

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[3rdEye]

http://www.natural-health-information-centre.com/propylene-glycol.html

'nuff said.

That's the bidness right there. I can just see people's eyes glaze up when the light up with the "prop" as we like to call it.

 

[organicterra]

GoneRooty

Wrap your brain on the chemical 'potassium hydroxide' and let me know when you've read enough and I'll share with you how it's used in several grow store 'OMRI approved' products.

Heh..........

CC

I like the part about "chemical cremation". Good stuff right there!
"Here's how it works: The body is placed in a pressurized drum that can hold up to 400 gallons of water and chemical potassium hydroxide, also known as potash lye." [cite]

 

[CC_2U]

From OMRI's web site under the Search results of Humates and then Humic Acids:

Also called humic acid derivatives. Extracts from nonsynthetic humates by hydrolysis using synthetic alkaline materials are permitted. Includes humates that are extracted using potassium hydroxide, provided that the synthetic extractant is limited to that amount necessary for extraction and is not used to fortify the potassium analysis. See also HUMIC ACIDS – NONSYNTHETIC. Some humic acid derivatives may be used both as an adjuvant or inert ingredient in EPA registered and exempt pesticides. See also INERTS – LIST 4.

And then there's this from USDA NOP (National Organic Program) who set all the national standards <snerk>:

NOP Rule 205.601(j)(3) As plant or soil amendments… Humic acids — naturally occurring deposits, water and alkali extracts only.

BioAg does not use alkali extraction methods for their humic and fulvic acids but rather use an enzyme extraction method.

Anyone still think that all humic and fulvic acid products are equal? Or even close?

CC

 

[GoneRooty]

I like the part about "chemical cremation". Good stuff right there!
"Here's how it works: The body is placed in a pressurized drum that can hold up to 400 gallons of water and chemical potassium hydroxide, also known as potash lye." [cite]

OK, but see if it can cremate a body, it can definitely help break down any bone meal in your soil. It's a good thing, right? And since its such a strong base, it should keep your soil from getting too acidic, pH balancing and breaking down bone meal!
I gotta add some to my next mix. That and the Gravity and I'll be on the cover of the Rolling Stone, or some other really knowledgeable stoner magazine!

 

[supuradam]

From OMRI's web site under the Search results of Humates and then Humic Acids:



And then there's this from USDA NOP (National Organic Program) who set all the national standards <snerk>:



BioAg does not use alkali extraction methods for their humic and fulvic acids but rather use an enzyme extraction method.

Anyone still think that all humic and fulvic acid products are equal? Or even close?

CC

So, in general, when people refer to "alkali extraction" is this the process? Or is this just one of many solvents used?

 

[CC_2U]

I'm beginning to wonder myself actually. Particularly with the 2 seaweed extracts that control most of the market - Maxicrop and ASL.

Both use the term 'alkali extraction' with no other details except that Maxicrop uses a process where heat is involved whereas ASL does not. According to both company's brochures, books, et al.

Kelp meal looks more and more attractive vs. seaweed extracts

CC

 

[GoneRooty]

Here's a link to the NOSB recommendation to the NOP about aquatic plant extracts.
http://www.ams.usda.gov/AMSv1.0/getfile?dDocName=STELPRD3456145

They explain the alkali extraction process pretty well. After reading their explanation, I think I would rather try and find plant extracts done by mechanical means than alkali extractions.

 

[CC_2U]

GoneRooty

Thank you for posting the link - the issue is settled for me. I'll only use kelp meal.

As far as a kelp extract from a mechanical source, the NOP link is more likely than not talking about the product out of South Africa - KELPAK which you can find online and it shouldn't be very expensive. I bought a quart about 3 years ago and used it and didn't re-order. No reason other than it was time to try another approach.

There are a couple of other kelp extract products that you might consider if you can figure out the techno-babble terms that both of them use as far as how they're processing the species that each of them use.

Eco-Nutrients manufactures a product that they call Eco-Nereo Kelp Liquid and they harvest the brown kelp variety Nereocystis Luetkeana and according to their web site they do the following:

We manually harvest the fronds of the kelp. We grind the kelp, add an enzyme, and put it into vats at room temperature, 55 to 60 degrees F. Two percent, water soluble, humic acid is added and the product is then allowed to break itself down, then it's sent through the 200 mesh Sweco screen.

Next up is West Coast Marine Bio-Processing Corp. and their product KelpGrow. The kelp variety that they use is Macrocystis Integrifolia and their process is "Low temperature, non caustic manufacture for minimal alteration of natural constituents"

If you can figure out what any of that means it might help you decide if these products are worthy of consideration. I used the Eco-Nutrients product for about 18 months. I'm not sure one way or the other. I still found that using kelp meal gave me the best results and I still think this is true.

Both web sites have MSDS and labels to look over.

The Seaweed Site could be the best book written on kelp varieties from around the world. This web site will round out a lot of information like brown vs. green vs. red kelps, nutrition differences (some are major differences like Potassium levels, Alginic acid, Mannitol, etc.)

HTH

CC

 

[GoneRooty]

GoneRooty

Thank you for posting the link - the issue is settled for me. I'll only use kelp meal.

As far as a kelp extract from a mechanical source, the NOP link is more likely than not talking about the product out of South Africa - KELPAK which you can find online and it shouldn't be very expensive. I bought a quart about 3 years ago and used it and didn't re-order. No reason other than it was time to try another approach.

There are a couple of other kelp extract products that you might consider if you can figure out the techno-babble terms that both of them use as far as how they're processing the species that each of them use.

Eco-Nutrients manufactures a product that they call Eco-Nereo Kelp Liquid and they harvest the brown kelp variety Nereocystis Luetkeana and according to their web site they do the following:

Next up is West Coast Marine Bio-Processing Corp. and their product KelpGrow. The kelp variety that they use is Macrocystis Integrifolia and their process is "Low temperature, non caustic manufacture for minimal alteration of natural constituents"

If you can figure out what any of that means it might help you decide if these products are worthy of consideration. I used the Eco-Nutrients product for about 18 months. I'm not sure one way or the other. I still found that using kelp meal gave me the best results and I still think this is true.

Both web sites have MSDS and labels to look over.

The Seaweed Site could be the best book written on kelp varieties from around the world. This web site will round out a lot of information like brown vs. green vs. red kelps, nutrition differences (some are major differences like Potassium levels, Alginic acid, Mannitol, etc.)

HTH

CC

Thanks for the added info CC, any extra knowledge is always appreciated. I figure since I have a good source of kelp meal, getting it from a local store that gets it from Concentrates, it's just way easier to use that than have to try to decipher all the possible ways to do extracts of it.
Just wish it had some Propylene Glycol in it too!

 

[CC_2U]

I hear ya!

 

[CC_2U]

DP

 

[guest2012y]

Hey guys Swami K here...sorry for the absence,I was on a special mountain retreat far into the reaches of the wilds seeking guidance for my upcoming ventures in seed production.

Look for my upcoming DVD release "Bagseed Hunters".
Featuring footage from travels far into the deepest darkest trailer parks and backwater pothead nests where we are finding ancient "hillbilly landrace" strains. With names like "Earl pot" and 'Hank Weed" you know it's got to be some rare stuff being named after the clan leaders.
Peace and enlightenment uber-quality dankness
~Swami K~

 

[Microbeman]

Hey guys Swami K here...sorry for the absence,I was on a special mountain retreat far into the reaches of the wilds seeking guidance for my upcoming ventures in seed production.

Look for my upcoming DVD release "Bagseed Hunters".
Featuring footage from travels far into the deepest darkest trailer parks and backwater pothead nests where we are finding ancient "hillbilly landrace" strains. With names like "Earl pot" and 'Hank Weed" you know it's got to be some rare stuff being named after the clan leaders.
Peace and enlightenment uber-quality dankness
~Swami K~

Finally!! Back on track. That other shit was getting me down. PRAISE BE SWAMI K!!!

 

[guest2012y]

Finally!! Back on track. That other shit was getting me down. PRAISE BE SWAMI K!!!

Never fear MM....you've got to kick those bad karmas out of your head man. That's why I sit back and puff a bowl of this new Swami Kushenedez seed release.....
Swamsterkush 14
Yes this stuff is the true kill,frosty and super potent and super smooth all cured up to a organik ('organik' is a Swami K. trademark) coughless smoke.
Be sure to get yours while they last...you'll love it.

 

[GoneRooty]

So are the Swamsterkush 14 seeds treated with propylene glycol and potassium hydroxide? Cuz I only buy seeds that are, best germination rates, and always female with herming.

 

[schwagg]

rooty, swami has mentioned bountiful amounts of hermi's. the only thing to watch for would be the THC's. you never know when they can show up. i'm stocked and ready to roll with seagull-20.