Well, I know you must be real busy. Especially with me being a " Lessee". But you did state that you are open for discussion. I am really asking you how it is a "True" IBL if only made into an f2?
Sour Diesel Vs. New York City Diesel
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Hay all!!! This is some discussion we have here on this strain &
variants of it.....The next question is where's the Reunion pheno ??
Also, this Kafiristanica strain you mentioned has a Lemon smell in the description of it, maybe this is where the OG Kush got some of the Lemon from the Kush side ??? in the Orig Chemdog cut he got from the bikers and when the Chemdog cut produced S-1 seed, that trait came thru, what do you think ??
Definitely a possibility
Well grown NYCD is great bud, if I didn't have any chem or SD to smoke I would be extremely happy to get some NYCD. It definitely has the chemdog kick in it, with more of outerspace kind of high like Romulan. Definitely not as strong as the ECSD cut, but still fine bud. But yes Original SD over NYCD in my opinion. I do think it was kind of a marketing move for Soma to label the strain NYCD. However, if he did use Original Diesel and crossed it to Afghani/Hawaiian which is actually a great strain- then the backbone did come from Chemdog genetics which is a fair "diesel" pallet to name. There are so many different strains and so many unique and great cannabinoid profiles. From my experiences I wouldn't say Soma is a snake. He has been doing quality breeding for many decades. And I've tried many of his strains - which are quite impressive. The only one I really didn't like much was lavender (great looking bud and taste) but the high was not the personality of a high I wanted. Obviously people who have tried the ECSD cut, know how amazing it is, but there are other great strains with their own personalities and it's nice to see original diesel crossed into them as well. But again, give me a bag of good NYCD and I will blaze that all day with a smile and possibly lose track of the room or location I'm sitting in. =P
Some seed copies of SD are actually quite great, like the RIRI pheno. Definitely straight sour diesel and a little bit sweeter than the original cut. But the ECSD cut's high still is beyond riri. It is possible for seeds to replicate the clone just as well, it's just a matter of the breeding behind it and the amount of seeds used to find it. It's definitely possible, but obviously cuts are a sure bet and produce better results consistently.
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Maybe I should not have put it as I did. calling him a snake. But I feel it was a marketing plow to sell his seeds. And that I just don't feel is moraly right. JMO It is not like I do not like NYCD. I will smoke it any day. But when compared it does not come close to S.D. Also I believe there are great seeds out of S.D. but it is alot different. The clone only cut of ECSD has a strong diesel taste with a lemon after taste. Vs sour with a diesel after tatse. And that is just the flavor. The high is unmatched by any seeds. And this thread is to compare. So that's what I started doing, while getting off track. Now will I smoke NYCD yes, But if I have the option. I would not purchase/grow it over another killer strain. Of the same status. But again JMHO.
Completely valid.
S
Stoner Gardener
I have no experience smoking either strain yet, so I'll not offer anything requiring a grain of salt
Here's a pic of my current NYCD lady from fem'd seed just a couple of weeks after dusting her with Rez's Chemdog Sour Diesel male.
The beans are just starting to get dark.
I went with this mating because of the fact that Rez apparently outcrossed the ECSD clone to NYCD in the earliest stages of his maverick SD IBL.
I have no idea what to expect but it will be fun to find out. Also, as far as I'm concerned this will make for good plants/buds in the end, simply because every gene involved has been known to put a smile on many folks faces.
The Chemdog Sour Diesel male
Here's a pic of my current NYCD lady from fem'd seed just a couple of weeks after dusting her with Rez's Chemdog Sour Diesel male.
The beans are just starting to get dark.
I went with this mating because of the fact that Rez apparently outcrossed the ECSD clone to NYCD in the earliest stages of his maverick SD IBL.
I have no idea what to expect but it will be fun to find out. Also, as far as I'm concerned this will make for good plants/buds in the end, simply because every gene involved has been known to put a smile on many folks faces.
The Chemdog Sour Diesel male
Reservoir's Sour Diesel IBL has been bred FAR beyond "f5".
I don't know where you read "f2",but it's easily researched here to see that we've done multiple,multiple generations of inbreeding-& the same goes for Chemdog IBL,as well.
The Sour D IBL Project is about 8(!) years old,& the Chemdog IBL has been running constantly,for five years.
That's 13 years of combined breeding between Sour D and Chemdog, more if you count the year+ I tested Chemdog & the 18 mos. Sour D was in testing before any breeding started.
Select>breed>grow>refine. Repeat. For many years. Over & over again. Test. Test. Test. Always looking to improve the Lines. Never stop learning. Always reaching upward. Never take the easy way out.
Sour D IBL recreates the best of the "original" Sour Diesel (ECSD) Clone.
Chemdog IBL brings the best of The Chemdog D Clone to gardeners worldwide who could never have accessed the genetics otherwise.
Does Reservoir claim "perfect copies" of the P1 Moms? No. Generally I expect the IBL seeds to produce plants that equal or surpass the original P1 Parents.
Some do, and some don't-That's just Mom Nature weighing in with Her "math & magic".
That's what Reservoir Does.
As to Soma,as a person I love him.
We've been friends for almost a decade.
As to his "NYCD" (a single,NYC "diesel" bagseed X Shantibaba's Affie/Hawaian)
I can say this: It's NOT a "true" Diesel in ANY sense.
Clever marketing without substance = his "NYCD".
It's mild,very flavorful (fruity) herb,but "diesel" it is,simply: NOT.
I don't know where you read "f2",but it's easily researched here to see that we've done multiple,multiple generations of inbreeding-& the same goes for Chemdog IBL,as well.
The Sour D IBL Project is about 8(!) years old,& the Chemdog IBL has been running constantly,for five years.
That's 13 years of combined breeding between Sour D and Chemdog, more if you count the year+ I tested Chemdog & the 18 mos. Sour D was in testing before any breeding started.
Select>breed>grow>refine. Repeat. For many years. Over & over again. Test. Test. Test. Always looking to improve the Lines. Never stop learning. Always reaching upward. Never take the easy way out.
Sour D IBL recreates the best of the "original" Sour Diesel (ECSD) Clone.
Chemdog IBL brings the best of The Chemdog D Clone to gardeners worldwide who could never have accessed the genetics otherwise.
Does Reservoir claim "perfect copies" of the P1 Moms? No. Generally I expect the IBL seeds to produce plants that equal or surpass the original P1 Parents.
Some do, and some don't-That's just Mom Nature weighing in with Her "math & magic".
That's what Reservoir Does.
As to Soma,as a person I love him.
We've been friends for almost a decade.
As to his "NYCD" (a single,NYC "diesel" bagseed X Shantibaba's Affie/Hawaian)
I can say this: It's NOT a "true" Diesel in ANY sense.
Clever marketing without substance = his "NYCD".
It's mild,very flavorful (fruity) herb,but "diesel" it is,simply: NOT.
Happy 7
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Yeah, dude, I've been breeding 20 strains for 2 years. That's like 40 years of combined breeding...
marketing, math & magic, eh?
It's about # of plant generations... not about how long it took you to get there...
Let me make this CLEAR,so even happy can understand.
Sour D IBL & Chemdog have been inbred and recombined
more generations than you have fingers.
No "math magic" here- At 4-5 gens of Sour D & Chemdog breeding cycles per year it's not hard to see how many gens they've been worked on. Even bred at 2 gens/yr both would be at f10/f14,respectively.
I hope you understand now.
Sour D IBL & Chemdog have been inbred and recombined
more generations than you have fingers.
No "math magic" here- At 4-5 gens of Sour D & Chemdog breeding cycles per year it's not hard to see how many gens they've been worked on. Even bred at 2 gens/yr both would be at f10/f14,respectively.
I hope you understand now.
"a single,NYC "diesel" bagseed X Shantibaba's Affie/Hawaian)"
this is as close to the ECSD genetically speaking as possible!
"I can say this: It's NOT a "true" Diesel in ANY sense." what a friend!
in fact, Soma's should be "better" since he used a proven male given to him by Shanti that is an Hawaiian indica-what did the wooks cross the bagseed Chem to to create the ECSD? a lone NL X Hawaiian cross-don't confuse the masses any more than they already are Rez-I run your SD IBL brah but would be happy to have either and most would too
this is as close to the ECSD genetically speaking as possible!
"I can say this: It's NOT a "true" Diesel in ANY sense." what a friend!
in fact, Soma's should be "better" since he used a proven male given to him by Shanti that is an Hawaiian indica-what did the wooks cross the bagseed Chem to to create the ECSD? a lone NL X Hawaiian cross-don't confuse the masses any more than they already are Rez-I run your SD IBL brah but would be happy to have either and most would too
Happy 7
Member
Let me make this CLEAR,so even happy can understand... fluff, fluff, fluff, both would be at f10/f14, I hope you understand now.
I understood that your 'breeding for xy years' statements are irrelevant without the # of plant generations from the start.
But thanks anyways.
So what generation are your IBLs? What generation they could be is just another irrelevant piece of marketing math.
Dead right! Even in Soma`s book he says his friend brung him seeds from the best weed he ever smoked and the seeds came from a "bag of sour d"
I`m very surprised how many people keep thinking Soma`s NYCD is sour d x afghan/hawaiian......READ MORE PEOPLE! Plus Soma`s NYCD is far from stable,to many phenos and to much searching to find Ms. Ruby Red. While it does have flavor and a nice,creative high the high is NOWHERE near the real deal Sour D. I have grown both and while ruby is nice,sour is better IMO! Just my
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what about DNA's "Sour Diesel"....they say this is it's lineage:
(’91 Chemdawg x Mass Super Skunk/NL) x DNL
(’91 Chemdawg x Mass Super Skunk/NL) x DNL
where can you get the Original ECSD??, if that's possible...
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first find somebody that actually has it... then kiss their ass
r1fmakaveli
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Sour D is the strongest smoke I have ever tried. 2 puffs and I was acting and walking all funny it was ridiculous I had to sit down. The sample I got was seeded, and I'm pretty sure it was pollinated with nothing other than SD or whatever is used to make SD seeds. When I grew the plants, at one point they really started to reak like pounds and pounds of cured bud. Not all of them, but a couple, different phenotypes. I swear one day I was walking around my house and I got so mad cause I thought my next door neighbor was smoking a joint of Sour D (where I live its hard to get) but it turns out it was just one of the plants stinking up the neighborhood. They were outdoor.
WhiteMountain
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I just have to weigh in on this. I haven't posted since 04 bit I feel like there r claims in this thread that r simply ridiculous.
First if all f10&f14 respectively? What the hell r u talkin about Rez? Do u think everyone is stupid or something ? Anyone that knows anything about breeding knows that u can't take plants past the f5 stage without losing vigor. This is why to really breed unmistakable breed a mother and a father line & then cross em at the f5 stage to make an IBl that still has vigor. This is why it's so hard to make an IBl, & no one but dj short has even come close to it. You need thousands of plants & years of time to actually do it. Rez claimed he had sd IBl within like a year of obtaining the clone, which is simply impossible. If your plants were f10's they Woukd suck so fkn bad, which clearly they don't.
Rez's sd IBl is an f1 hybrid, straight up.
If u cross to a different family & get a true f1'the girls come out uniform. All Rez did was experiment w males until he found one where the kids come out sour. Which is pretty cool but the claim of an ibl is simply unfounded.
He is providing a service to the community by hooking people up who wouldnt otherwise have access to the clone. But at the same time he is spoiling the good name of sour diesel. People now think sour d ain't that great bc there's all sorts of people that think they have the real deal but don't.
I was lucky enough to obtain the ecsd clone years ago & it is simply an amazing plant I'm every respect. It is the only plant i grow, everything else is just a waste of time IMO.
The claim that Rez coined the term ecsd is simply laughable. That term started on Phish tour to differentiate between the heady east coast version & the west coast super dense version. I got y clone labelled ecsd like 2 years before that article in high times came out. I was super stoked that the clone I had was named plant of the year. I cannot believe that Rez is claiming that, it's totally ridiculous.
True ecsd is some of the headiest herb in the world. U can def get it in mass, ct , NY & nh I know that. But even here people r starting to talk shot about the sour. There is so much imposter, watered down sour that It's really getting annoyed.
The high from real ecsd is simply the best. Super long and strong, it's also a great in the middle high, not speedy or couchlock. I love puffing it in the morning or at night, pretty much anytime & it's the only nug i haven't gotten tired of after puffing for 8
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First if all f10&f14 respectively? What the hell r u talkin about Rez? Do u think everyone is stupid or something ? Anyone that knows anything about breeding knows that u can't take plants past the f5 stage without losing vigor. This is why to really breed unmistakable breed a mother and a father line & then cross em at the f5 stage to make an IBl that still has vigor. This is why it's so hard to make an IBl, & no one but dj short has even come close to it. You need thousands of plants & years of time to actually do it. Rez claimed he had sd IBl within like a year of obtaining the clone, which is simply impossible. If your plants were f10's they Woukd suck so fkn bad, which clearly they don't.
Rez's sd IBl is an f1 hybrid, straight up.
If u cross to a different family & get a true f1'the girls come out uniform. All Rez did was experiment w males until he found one where the kids come out sour. Which is pretty cool but the claim of an ibl is simply unfounded.
He is providing a service to the community by hooking people up who wouldnt otherwise have access to the clone. But at the same time he is spoiling the good name of sour diesel. People now think sour d ain't that great bc there's all sorts of people that think they have the real deal but don't.
I was lucky enough to obtain the ecsd clone years ago & it is simply an amazing plant I'm every respect. It is the only plant i grow, everything else is just a waste of time IMO.
The claim that Rez coined the term ecsd is simply laughable. That term started on Phish tour to differentiate between the heady east coast version & the west coast super dense version. I got y clone labelled ecsd like 2 years before that article in high times came out. I was super stoked that the clone I had was named plant of the year. I cannot believe that Rez is claiming that, it's totally ridiculous.
True ecsd is some of the headiest herb in the world. U can def get it in mass, ct , NY & nh I know that. But even here people r starting to talk shot about the sour. There is so much imposter, watered down sour that It's really getting annoyed.
The high from real ecsd is simply the best. Super long and strong, it's also a great in the middle high, not speedy or couchlock. I love puffing it in the morning or at night, pretty much anytime & it's the only nug i haven't gotten tired of after puffing for 8
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