Sour Diesel Vs. New York City Diesel

[Bi0hazard]

Well that's kinda what I meant D, 91', and #4 are all the same pheno.

I've agreed with almost everything you've said, but I have to correct one thing.

Chem D is definitely different than Chem '91. They came from the same bag of herb at the grateful dead show and the extra seeds from the person who sold Chem the herb sent out at a later point.

However, the first batch of beans he popped yielded multiple phenos. I've seen both plants from original cuts of D and '91 growing and I've seen the difference of Growth, taste, high, and sativa/indica profile between the two.

'91 is definitely the headie, sativa feeling chemdog. It is what was used in Sour Diesel, as well as OG Kush which is supposedly a 91 S1 - that tapped into some of the indica side of the chem genes from the self pollination process...

However, Chem D - is quite different. It grows more like an Indica, and the high is completely different. It has a straight indica stone, No speediness like the chem 91 - which has me buzzing in my head and body. The Chem D is a relaxing to the max indica stone with a nice head high.

 

[Liven]

I've agreed with almost everything you've said, but I have to correct one thing.

Chem D is definitely different than Chem '91. They came from the same bag of herb at the grateful dead show and the extra seeds from the person who sold Chem the herb sent out at a later point.

However, the first batch of beans he popped yielded multiple phenos. I've seen both plants from original cuts of D and '91 growing and I've seen the difference of Growth, taste, high, and sativa/indica profile between the two.

'91 is definitely the headie, sativa feeling chemdog. It is what was used in Sour Diesel, as well as OG Kush which is supposedly a 91 S1 - that tapped into some of the indica side of the chem genes from the self pollination process...

However, Chem D - is quite different. It grows more like an Indica, and the high is completely different. It has a straight indica stone, No speediness like the chem 91 - which has me buzzing in my head and body. The Chem D is a relaxing to the max indica stone with a nice head high.

I do agree that they do sell different cut's labeling them 91 or D or strait chem. But when he got that bag seed. He planted it getting 4 pheno's. Choosing #4 as the keeper. abc"D" or the year he went to the show and popped those seed's. But either way sick genetics.

 

[Liven]

Also Happy 4/20!

 

[Liven]

The reason I know this, is it happened 30 min. Away from here. In a small town called Chesterfield. It was not Amhearst like everyone thinks.

 

[Buddle]

Same to you Liven!!! Hmm now what to start the day with....think I'll puff this new NL x SD cut..

 

[Liven]

I still got some of that Black Domina x Jack Herer. Not Black Jack. With some Goo H.O. Hope Everyone has some Fire!

 

[Bi0hazard]

I still got some of that Black Domina x Jack Herer. Not Black Jack. With some Goo H.O. Hope Everyone has some Fire!

Nice I have some Goo on hand as well, gotta love that sweet stank almost like trainwreck but sweeter.

Also got some Blackberry Kush x Haze and some OG Kush hash to throw on top.

Happy 420 Liven, and everyone else...

 

[Bi0hazard]

(Post by Chemdog)

"The sour diesel is in fact a total mistake the
chemdog which was started in co from a very old farmer got seeds to a
person in ma not cali which was started then in 91. It was the best
bud i have ever smoked smelled or tasted. By 1993 it was the sickest
shit around. Then the kids met these guys from ny at a phish show and
they were begging the kids for a cutting which at that point was
scarce.The kids were very tight and knew they had something special.
We then became good friends and the kids traded the chem dog for a
super skunk which is better then any skunk i have seen.We made
promises to not give the shit away it was the bomb. Now this is were
we get a little pissed off but are over it by now the nyc guys didnt
like the name chem dog so they had a idea to chang the name to DIESEL.
So the orig Chem dog is Diesel so what happend next explains the
Sour The kids in ma had the best shit around everybody wanted the
Chem dog people were coming up from albany to get the Diesel in bud
form and they found some seeds in one batch. The super skunk that the
kids were growing hermd and hit the chem dog aka diesel and the albany
crew started those seeds and named it sour diesel also the orig
chemdog aka diesl is og kush. its Chem dog also the ma kids are the
only ones who have orig seeds of chem dog aka diesel still from the
early 90s everybody got cuttings the kids still have 6 seeds left.
hope you all find this info helpful i will soon give full details
about the chem dog,sour diesel,diesel,og kush.Its time to settle all
the bullshit that people seem to know peace to all

Guys your all right except the the og kush is a hermi seed from the
chem dog from back in 96 their were only two people in the day to
take the chem dog to the west coast it first hit lake tahoe. My
friends chem dog got stressed and hermi a little so he decide to try
the few seeds and the buddy who gave the chem dog seeds to us said
the old farmer said it hade kush in it so my buddy to this day thinks
its a strain of the orig kush and said if the ny kids can change the
name from chem dog lets call the west coast version OG kUSH that is
the truth. If anybody ever smoked the chem dog back in the day early
90s it taste like the sour but fifty times more The chem dog is the
mom of the sour so basicly the og kush is a newer seed of the orig
chem dog. peace to all. i have true males and
females of the Chem dog,Sour diesel,Bubble chem, i have crossed a
male Chem dog Aka Diesel with all of Sensi seeds good females already
back in 96 they have been in storage since then and i know are still
viable because the me kids just started the Super dog which is the
Superskunk crossed with the chemdog and its sick enjoy the info a lot
more to come

Part of what you say is true. But you have some of the facts mixed
up. First of all, I go way back to the begining 92-93. my good friend
from NY, was the one who got the Chem Dawg and Super Skunk first.
And yes the Chem was first called Diesel because people did not like
the name and because it was the "Cock Diesel" But you don't talk
about the next strain created from the Chem Dawg. Also known as
UnderDawg, Daywrecker, Diesel no.1 (Chem Dawg x super skunk/NL) from
this the Sour was born hermied from the DNL(skunk). That is were it
gets its vigorous growth and some of the taste. Any one who has grown
or smoked it would know. And yes the Albany kids were the first to
"find " the Sour, the "bro" and his crew did not invent it. It was
grown out of seeds found in head bags bought in NYC. The upstate kids
were begging for a cutting of either Diesel and wound up with bag
seed to grow. Thats fact."

 

[Bi0hazard]

-- Chem 91 was the original Chemdog from '91, Chem D wasn't discovered until 2001 in the second batch of seeds they got from the guy at the grateful dead show. ---

At a Grateful Dead show at Deer Creek Amphitheatre, 'joebrand' (aka 'wonkanobe') and 'pbud' met 'chemdog' and sold him an ounce of very high quality pot for $500. joe and chemdog exchanged numbers and they later arranged for two ounces to be shipped to chemdog on the east coast. According to chemdog, one ounce was seedless and the other had 13 seeds.

In ’91, chemdog popped the first 4 seeds. From these seeds, one male was found and disposed of (chemdog was young, you can’t blame him). The 3 females were labeled ‘chemdawg’ (now ’91 chemdawg), ‘chemdawg a’ (now chemdawg’s sister), and ‘chemdawg b’. In '01, chemdog and his girlfriend attempted to germ 3 more seeds, labeled ‘c’, ‘d’, and ‘e’. the ‘e’ seed never germinated, ‘c’ turned out to be junk (according to chemdog), and chemdawg ‘d’ was the keeper. In '06, 'chemdog' and 'joebrand' reunited and joe was given 4 of the last 6 beans: Chemdawg phenos 1-4, '4' being the chosen keeper. Joe thought the '4' was the best representation of the original and thus dubbed it the 'reunion pheno'. Chemdog still has two seeds left in his stash.

 

[Liven]

Unless it is a "story" made up by him. For his own safety. He has already stated he was robbed and lost the remaining seeds. So you are saying Chem D is the keeper from a s1 or f1 seed. If so I am now not shure if I ever tried 91. I live next to the place ECSD was started. So I can get some sick samples of Chem D real fresh. But always thought they where the same. Thanks for the Info.

 

[BudZad7]

Chemdawg+origins of Offspring???

Chemdawg+origins of Offspring???

Hay everybody!!! Happy 420 !!! Finally the Real story behind this fabulous strain and it's offshoots......... So, '91Chemdawg,
hermied & OG Kush is the S-1 seed of '91Chemdawg. Does that mean
OG Kush is not (91Chemdawg X Lemon Thai/Paki ??) Also, the Kush
the old farmer said that was in the strain, is that the Paki ?? You said
the name was changed to OG Kush on the west coast? So, what does the Tahoe cut look like from '96 (leaf structure,etc)? The pics of the clones that follow, are Hopefully ('91Chemdawg from Colorado, '96 OG Kush Tahoe cut, Sour Diesel, and just for fun NYCDiesel) Leaf structure
of each: 1st pic is 91Chemdawg from Colorado, 2nd pic 96 OG Kush Tahoe cut, 3rd pic Sour Diesel, and last 2 pics are NYCD...

 

[Bi0hazard]

Unless it is a "story" made up by him. For his own safety. He has already stated he was robbed and lost the remaining seeds. So you are saying Chem D is the keeper from a s1 or f1 seed. If so I am now not shure if I ever tried 91. I live next to the place ECSD was started. So I can get some sick samples of Chem D real fresh. But always thought they where the same. Thanks for the Info.

You could be absolutely right about him not having the seeds anymore, I'm not sure about that.

Chem 91 was one of the original phenos from the first batch of seeds - Most likely from a F1 since it was the bagseed chem got from that $500 ounce at the grateful dead show. However I assume since it was bagseed the Chem 91's were a hermied by product of the F1 that grew the $500 ounce. Chem D was one of the phenos from the second batch of seeds he got (from the same person who sold him the bag of weed that he found the first seeds) i don't know if it was from the same batch that the other seeds came in or just from the same clone.

I'm pretty sure Chem D is an actual pheno in the same genepool that the Chem (a) '91 seeds originated. Where OG Kush is a further hermied S1 of the Original Diesel (Chem 91 x [NL x RFK Skunk])

If you smoked the original Chem 91, then you would have realized a very similar parallel with the ECSD cut. The smell and taste are similar but in the 91 its very close to Sour Diesel but missing something... created by the the skunk/Aghani-Hawaiian DNL in the ECSD. The '91 stone is almost speedy/pulsing - heady like the Sour Diesel, with more of a pure chem 91 trippiness than the hybridization of DNL. The Chem D is lethargic (Slows you down) while the '91 is a speedy stupor not exactly like c99 but definitely a headie sativa profile, rather than the indica relaxing profile of Chem D.

Check out this Smoke report and pics of the original '91 Chem (SkunkVA cut) That is confirmed as the original '91 - see if its similar to what you associate with '91 @ https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=199219&highlight=chem - Grown by SkunkMasterFlex

Also, this part I'm not certain about - but the OG Kush's with 91Chemdawg X Lemon Thai/Paki - could be the lemon based OG's like Larry OG etc..

Respect,

Bi0hazard

 

[Bi0hazard]

SkunkMasterFlex's response about the Chem '91. Also Confirming its Sativa profile:

"i agree on that biohazard. after i smoked it i was like OK i see where sour D comes from for sure. i was surprised in the skunky sour chemmy fuel smell the 91 has when dry. it didnt really have a skunk to it on the plant but cured its got a different smell. the smell of this herb will sell it, well that and the taste, talk about fuel to the next level. the fuel flavor coats the mouth like crazy! im not a big sativa guy, but if im gonna smoke a sativa this is the one. its not racey at all, which is why i dont like sativa. i have anxiety so i smoke to chill with my condition. this stuff gets me in a happy mood and is relaxing for it being as sativa as it is. i think that this crossed to a double purple doja or another indica strain like deep chunk or something to that effect would be sick. im going to cross the white with this and a few other things so watch out for a skunkmaster personal cross thread coming soon fellaz ~SMF~"

Dank Regards...

 

[Liven]

SkunkMasterFlex's response about the Chem '91. Also Confirming its Sativa profile:

"i agree on that biohazard. after i smoked it i was like OK i see where sour D comes from for sure. i was surprised in the skunky sour chemmy fuel smell the 91 has when dry. it didnt really have a skunk to it on the plant but cured its got a different smell. the smell of this herb will sell it, well that and the taste, talk about fuel to the next level. the fuel flavor coats the mouth like crazy! im not a big sativa guy, but if im gonna smoke a sativa this is the one. its not racey at all, which is why i dont like sativa. i have anxiety so i smoke to chill with my condition. this stuff gets me in a happy mood and is relaxing for it being as sativa as it is. i think that this crossed to a double purple doja or another indica strain like deep chunk or something to that effect would be sick. im going to cross the white with this and a few other things so watch out for a skunkmaster personal cross thread coming soon fellaz ~SMF~"

Dank Regards...

I have full access to as many cut's of ECSD as I want. But I have access to pollen from the green pheno of chocolate chunk. With the bag appeal on both and so many traits can come from both. C.C. being s.a.g.e. backcrossed with the father Afgan. And ECSD that I can't wait to cross the two of those. Also I am going to try to cross it with an old school IBL Skunk that my friend created since the 70's. But I now want to try 91, since I know I now have not. If thier are so many similarities to S.D. the Chem D is more like a gold diesel with another flavor I can't desrcribe other than Dank! And 1 you will never forget.

 

[PhatPhreddy420]

Just aquired some SD after drooling over this thread.

 

[Bi0hazard]

I have full access to as many cut's of ECSD as I want. But I have access to pollen from the green pheno of chocolate chunk. With the bag appeal on both and so many traits can come from both. C.C. being s.a.g.e. backcrossed with the father Afgan. And ECSD that I can't wait to cross the two of those. Also I am going to try to cross it with an old school IBL Skunk that my friend created since the 70's. But I now want to try 91, since I know I now have not. If thier are so many similarities to S.D. the Chem D is more like a gold diesel with another flavor I can't desrcribe other than Dank! And 1 you will never forget.

Beautiful cross ideas there, can't wait to see how those turn out. I've heard incredible things about chocolate chunk, and Skunk IBL or Herilooms are incredible breeders.

 

[MrJinx]

Sour D is pretty awesome

 

[BudZad7]

'91 Chemdawg

'91 Chemdawg

Hay all!! Nice info!! Very nice pics!! To add to my earlier post here's some pics of '91 Chemdawg that was acquired from Colorado
they seem to be the real deal as far as appearance goes......can anyone verify??? This is a new clone that was a slow grower, then all of a sudden it has stretched alot in the last couple of days, so that is what this strain does......Also, this will be crossed with OG Kush S-1 pollen, and Pineapple OG Kush male pollen from a seed that was in the bottom of some bud shake....alot of people are Very interested in the male pollen of the Pineapple OG Kush....here's a pic of the male Pineapple OG Kush:

 

[Liven]

After this discusion with BIOhazard. I looked up the '91 cut vs. D While talking to my boy's about it. And BIOhazard is fully correct. And now after comparing the two plant. I feel confident in saying those look like they very well could be '91. But kinda early for me since i have worked with ECSD, and NYC many times. Recently Chem D, and Candy Chem. And that is it as far as real diesel strains.

 

[Liven]

Hay all!! Nice info!! Very nice pics!! To add to my earlier post here's some pics of '91 Chemdawg that was acquired from Colorado
they seem to be the real deal as far as appearance goes......can anyone verify??? This is a new clone that was a slow grower, then all of a sudden it has stretched alot in the last couple of days, so that is what this strain does......Also, this will be crossed with OG Kush S-1 pollen, and Pineapple OG Kush male pollen from a seed that was in the bottom of some bud shake....alot of people are Very interested in the male pollen of the Pineapple OG Kush....here's a pic of the male Pineapple OG Kush:

What are you using for nut's?