Sell Me On AF's,I Dare Ya!
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IwannatokeNbone
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exactly. willfull ignornace is something that is actually no longer acceptable with the internet either, everything is one click away from getting n education on yet people still luv to go full steam ahead with pig ignorant bravodo on many topics. autos rule!!
I suppose if Rez made some autos I would buy them.
fuzzymuffin
Active member
+1
If they were to garner his approval, they would have to be something special indeed.
indoor/outdoor
Member
Hey what about the new EASY RYDER ,IM LOVIN IT and THE TRUE REASON FOR AUTO IS STEALTH AND THE PHOTOPERIOD. SMALL DISCREET AND NO ODORS
indoor/outdoor
Member
have you every seen pics of EASY RYDER? MY only problem with easy ryder is you cannot create seeds or clone it.JOINT DOCTOR only sells easyryder in feminised seed that sucks balls.
Why I grow AF's indoors - For those who may not see the point.
1 Space
1 Light
Less than 70 days seed to chop
2 new Strains to me
New (undialed in) Setup
1.2 GPW / 26 Oz of perfectly decent organically grown bud.
Simple as it gets setup
Easy to grow plants
Decent yield in my book.
For anyone that wants to read the thread in it's entirety you can here: https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=198820
But here are some pictures.
Day 11 - 13
Day 16 -18
Day 21 - 23
Day 31 - 33
Day 41 - 43
Day 48 - 50
Day 61 - 63
Didn't take as many group shots as I should have. But all the in between times there are plenty of individual plant pics
Harvest Dry
Dry with some cure
cheers
P.S if people have an alternative idea for a quick crop with no access to clones and one space let me know
If there are any 12/12 from seed grow shows that run less than 70 days also let me know. As that's what i'm planning to do in the near future.
1 Space
1 Light
Less than 70 days seed to chop
2 new Strains to me
New (undialed in) Setup
1.2 GPW / 26 Oz of perfectly decent organically grown bud.
Simple as it gets setup
Easy to grow plants
Decent yield in my book.
For anyone that wants to read the thread in it's entirety you can here: https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=198820
But here are some pictures.
Day 11 - 13
Day 16 -18
Day 21 - 23
Day 31 - 33
Day 41 - 43
Day 48 - 50
Day 61 - 63
Didn't take as many group shots as I should have. But all the in between times there are plenty of individual plant pics
Harvest Dry
Dry with some cure
cheers
P.S if people have an alternative idea for a quick crop with no access to clones and one space let me know
If there are any 12/12 from seed grow shows that run less than 70 days also let me know. As that's what i'm planning to do in the near future.
RoomRaider
Member
One thing I keep meaning to mention, but never do is that your 26oz grow is under a 600w burning 24/7 right? Same as my LB under a 4 banger.
Running 24/7 I should be getting 2lbs a crop and you should have got 2.5lbs+
Its hard to cram them into a small space, and you got the right idea of that umbrella reflector. I think to unleash the full potential of autos, you gotta use 400w lights with a 4ft umbrella reflector, maybe on a mover also. Get as much coverage as possible. Going 24/7 I think you can get more efficiency outta light movers, and with the added plant numbers GPW could go out the window and it could all come down to plant #s.
Also, breeders should focus on chunky colas and less branching. Some of my S60s had nice colas on them and I wonder what else they could have done if I had chopped their branches off, doing so would also greatly increase #s. I can fit 20 plants in my tent, if they did not branch as much I could fit alot more.
Stoned right now, and saw the post, memory sparked and had to get it out.
Running 24/7 I should be getting 2lbs a crop and you should have got 2.5lbs+
Its hard to cram them into a small space, and you got the right idea of that umbrella reflector. I think to unleash the full potential of autos, you gotta use 400w lights with a 4ft umbrella reflector, maybe on a mover also. Get as much coverage as possible. Going 24/7 I think you can get more efficiency outta light movers, and with the added plant numbers GPW could go out the window and it could all come down to plant #s.
Also, breeders should focus on chunky colas and less branching. Some of my S60s had nice colas on them and I wonder what else they could have done if I had chopped their branches off, doing so would also greatly increase #s. I can fit 20 plants in my tent, if they did not branch as much I could fit alot more.
Stoned right now, and saw the post, memory sparked and had to get it out.
cheers Reddy.
Roomraider - I'm not sure I follow your post?
How should I have got 2.5 pounds?
Are you on about comparing it on electricity? Are you running two spaces on a flip flop or something?
The point was I only have one space and the electricity cost of one grow is less than half an oz worths.
If it helps I ran 18/6 throughout, 400w for first 10 days, 600w thereafter
If i've confused what you were saying sorry
Roomraider - I'm not sure I follow your post?
How should I have got 2.5 pounds?
Are you on about comparing it on electricity? Are you running two spaces on a flip flop or something?
The point was I only have one space and the electricity cost of one grow is less than half an oz worths.
If it helps I ran 18/6 throughout, 400w for first 10 days, 600w thereafter
If i've confused what you were saying sorry
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auto guerilla
theres one main point i havne seen mentioned. i was going to try reg strains in my breeding tent instead of af's but as security is an issue i only have one place to put my tent and tents aren't 100% light proof so light leaks would be an issue if you cant provide perfect darkness. you dont have to even consider it with af's.
another point i would like to mention is that these are some hardy assed plants. I have stressed some onyx out to the max. i mean over 40 degrees celsius and 85% humidity, overwatering, underwatering and all over the place light schedules constantly changing. I did this out of curiosity in my old cab i used to have. they suffered no effects other than slowing growth but bounced straight back when i put them in better conditions.
another point i would like to mention is that these are some hardy assed plants. I have stressed some onyx out to the max. i mean over 40 degrees celsius and 85% humidity, overwatering, underwatering and all over the place light schedules constantly changing. I did this out of curiosity in my old cab i used to have. they suffered no effects other than slowing growth but bounced straight back when i put them in better conditions.
RoomRaider
Member
Sorry about being a bit confusing. You say you got 1.2GPW, but with regular strains they only run 12 hours a day, whereas we run 24hrs. So technically you got .6GPW.
I was loving getting just over a LB with my 400w, then I realized that if I run twice the hours in a day, I should be getting twice the yield.
In my tent I run 20 plants and average ~20ozs, I think If I got that light in a 4ft umbrella reflector and had it on a mover I could be getting 40ozs, breaking the GPW for real (I would have to move out of the tent and in a larger space to fit the larger plant numbers)
Hope that clears things up a bit.
I was loving getting just over a LB with my 400w, then I realized that if I run twice the hours in a day, I should be getting twice the yield.
In my tent I run 20 plants and average ~20ozs, I think If I got that light in a 4ft umbrella reflector and had it on a mover I could be getting 40ozs, breaking the GPW for real (I would have to move out of the tent and in a larger space to fit the larger plant numbers)
Hope that clears things up a bit.
Like I said before it was not 24 hours a day but 18 hours and then with less wattage at the beginning few weeks, I'm still not quite following your logic.
The more accurate way of establishing yield is to use GPW per day.
I'm not sure you could halve it though really, You know the wattage, you see the yield, like I say electricity on this small scale isn't really a factor.
And to be doubling the yield running regular strains like you suggest you need two spaces or a 3rd space for cloning to feed the two flowering spaces? What about that power consumption?
Are you just counting flowering days for your GPW, what veg time do they get, are you adding that in to the equation?
The more accurate way of establishing yield is to use GPW per day.
I'm not sure you could halve it though really, You know the wattage, you see the yield, like I say electricity on this small scale isn't really a factor.
And to be doubling the yield running regular strains like you suggest you need two spaces or a 3rd space for cloning to feed the two flowering spaces? What about that power consumption?
Are you just counting flowering days for your GPW, what veg time do they get, are you adding that in to the equation?
I get what you are saying running your lights longer should equal better yeilds then 12/12 each day. But it doesnt work that way, AFs grow normally when under at least 18 hours of light anything less they grow less well. Putting an AF in 12/12 usually results in much less growth. Due to that factor your ideas are wrong.
Sorry but your logic is flawed, it doesn't work that way bro.
Even if you put it on a light mover you wont DOUBLE your yield, as you will be lowering the amount of direct intensity light per hour. Making more plants yes but smaller yields on each. You do have one thing correct plant numbers for mass yields is the way, and yes your yeilds will increase, but you still wont Double your yields unless you double your lights and space.
Until we make better yielding AFs we got to deal with the yields we are getting with the shit we have, which are pretty damn good already, anything over 1 g per watt is excellent. The next step is to reach the 1.5gpw and then 2gpw, it is one of my personal goals.
SGS
If you can breed your own Femmed AF's then they would be great for speedy summer crops.
But they are auto and 60 days to get to know a strain without the ability to clone and get intimate really leaves the quick seed stock breeding a challenge. Unless you hit every female and base your test on the hereafter results, which would be really time consuming and the whole purpose of a fast crop would be kind of ironic and defeated in that purpose.
Have fun
But they are auto and 60 days to get to know a strain without the ability to clone and get intimate really leaves the quick seed stock breeding a challenge. Unless you hit every female and base your test on the hereafter results, which would be really time consuming and the whole purpose of a fast crop would be kind of ironic and defeated in that purpose.
Have fun
NO, he got 1.2GPW, it just cost more running more hours, but was the same amount of light intensity. Just on longer to keep the AFs producing well.
Gram per watt of light intensity is NOT the same as Gram per watt of electricity used. Yes running AFs you use more electricity but the same 400 watt HPS as for 12/12s, This is the small cost of running AFs over 12/12s but you get all the other benefits of AFs, which is more then worth it.
SGS
Just to clarify - I didn't say 'this is the way to get the best yield indoors'
I said 'this is why I run AF's indoors' for me having one space, it's the quickest solution to a nice yield for me.
And that figure was from a new setup and new strains, If I ran them again I know I could better it.
In a 4x4 space a parabolic only just fits in, a light mover wouldn't really do any good There's no where for it to move to, unless of course you have a bigger space then it could be worth trying if you were really that concerned about power.
Obviously running high(er) power lights 24/7 isn't a good solution for a commercial OP but then if you are commercial or more than hobby you will have the space to veg somewhere seperately.
My point was if you want a quick crop and only have one space / one set of equipment then AF's are a very handy indoor tool to have.
Peace
I said 'this is why I run AF's indoors' for me having one space, it's the quickest solution to a nice yield for me.
And that figure was from a new setup and new strains, If I ran them again I know I could better it.
In a 4x4 space a parabolic only just fits in, a light mover wouldn't really do any good There's no where for it to move to, unless of course you have a bigger space then it could be worth trying if you were really that concerned about power.
Obviously running high(er) power lights 24/7 isn't a good solution for a commercial OP but then if you are commercial or more than hobby you will have the space to veg somewhere seperately.
My point was if you want a quick crop and only have one space / one set of equipment then AF's are a very handy indoor tool to have.
Peace
RoomRaider
Member
I kinda figured GPW only took into account HID wattage. IMO I do not think that not accurate at all. The extra hours burned vs. yield gained does not matter to you, but it does to me.
Flawed as it may be I do not accept a LB yield w/ a 400w light to be 1GPW. I will be striving for 2lbs off my 400w and calling it 1GPW. (to myself, on the forums I guess i'll call it 2GPW to not confuse people)
Hopefully someone can come up with a more accurate measurement that takes into account kilowatt hours, not just wattage.
Also light movers are great at increasing yield, yes they can't double the yield (on regular strains), but with the extra 12 hours of light that autos get, I think the increased yield will be more than helpful.
Flawed as it may be I do not accept a LB yield w/ a 400w light to be 1GPW. I will be striving for 2lbs off my 400w and calling it 1GPW. (to myself, on the forums I guess i'll call it 2GPW to not confuse people)
Hopefully someone can come up with a more accurate measurement that takes into account kilowatt hours, not just wattage.
Also light movers are great at increasing yield, yes they can't double the yield (on regular strains), but with the extra 12 hours of light that autos get, I think the increased yield will be more than helpful.
IwannatokeNbone
Member
RoomRaider
Member
your very annoying
And why is that?
