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Cloning is easy

_Dude

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It's much easier than people say it is. If you're starting out with no experience cloning, do yourself a favor and KISS. DO NOT start with DIY bubble cloners, like I did. I wasted money and time and hassle I wish I hadn't. I started with Rubbermaids, bubble sticks, air pumps, tubing, and lots of DIY labor drilling holes, etc. Then there was all the hair pulling over what the fuck kind of adhesive would actually stick the bubblers to the bottom of the tub and KEEP THEM THERE. I tried epoxy, superglue, seal-all, and tons of other shit and none of it worked.

Finally I read the thread on cloning in sphagnum moss (sp?) here and I couldn't be happier. I have like a 90-95%+ survival rate with much more simple methods. I don't use the moss, haven't tried it, but that thread got me to try cloning in rockwool cubes and my results are far better survival rates and far more consistent results with far less vigorous cuts. The only thing bubblers might improve on is speed. It takes me about 4 weeks to go from cut day to cubes with roots bursting out all over the place. But I don't see the problem with that - just take your cuts 2 weeks earlier or whatever.

The only tricks to cloning in rockwool or other moist media are 1 climate control and 2 watering. 2 does take a bit of experience to get the best results. I've had success following advice I found on another forum: find the right balance between soggy and dry. If you keep the cubes constantly soaked, you don't get the fastest root growth. And if you keep them too dry, they die. I like to wait until they're dry on the outside, but you can tell there's still just a bit of moisture in there by touch, before I wet the cubes again. The tricky part is that they need more frequent wettings as you go along because they're developing a root system and drinking more.

They start sprouting roots at 2 weeks, and by 4 weeks they're itching to be planted.

All you need for this is a propagation tray and rockwool cubes. 20 bucks + shipping at PLH.

No mojo during cutting. Drop the cubes in water. Take a cut (can be VERY skinny weak looking little cuts, too) and stick it in the hole. Make sure you use a wire or something to make the hole deep enough if you're using skinny cuts. Put the cube with the cut in it into the tray. Repeat until the tray is full and stick it under the lights.

No hormones or rooting agents. If your cuts are going into a room with decent temps and humidity levels, no need for a dome either. No worrying over the angle of the cut. No cutting under water. All that stuff is like a rain dance to me now. Pointless.

Actually, I think a 90-95% rate kinda sucks now. Once you get some experience, you should only be losing one or two out of a hundred.

KISS.
 

Scrogerman

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Glue? You dont need Glue in a bubble cloner bro & i didnt see a aquarium heater on your list which is esential when bubblecloning. Its the easiest method their is & i hit 100% everytime. Take clones, submerge stems 15mm into 83f solution & bubble away, ph 5.5-5.8 & low EC 0.2-0.4. Whats hard about that. You must of been doing something wrong man!
try it again & follow the rules.
What i like about Bubblecloning is you can plant on into any medium you like, its soo simple man.
You dont need Glue, just buy the cheapo blue airstones, they sink & stay at the bottom, & bubble tube does too, dont need to be held down. No wonder you had issues!(sucker cups work too, if you so wish)
Im glad youve found a simple way you like, but you really should try bubblecloning again, never lost a cut, roots in 5-10 days without fail. Bubblecloning is certainly KISS, very little maintainance!

SuperGlue, no wonder you were having issues bro, seriously.!

G'Luck mate!
 

TheCatsMeow

Member
Glue? You dont need Glue in a bubble cloner bro & i didnt see a aquarium heater on your list which is esential when bubblecloning. Its the easiest method their is & i hit 100% everytime. Take clones, submerge stems 15mm into 83f solution & bubble away, ph 5.5-5.8 & low EC 0.2-0.4. Whats hard about that. You must of been doing something wrong man!
try it again & follow the rules.
What i like about Bubblecloning is you can plant on into any medium you like, its soo simple man.
You dont need Glue, just buy the cheapo blue airstones, they sink & stay at the bottom, & bubble tube does too, dont need to be held down. No wonder you had issues!(sucker cups work too, if you so wish)
Im glad youve found a simple way you like, but you really should try bubblecloning again, never lost a cut, roots in 5-10 days without fail. Bubblecloning is certainly KISS, very little maintainance!

SuperGlue, no wonder you were having issues bro, seriously.!

G'Luck mate!

ive always been hesitant myself to try and build a cloner. I've been having great success with root riots...
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but they take about two weeks so if i could possibly get roots in 5 days, id be stoked!
maybe i should give it a shot...
 

_Dude

Member
DIY bubble cloners are Rube Goldberg bullshit. You gave the game away when you said "doing something wrong, lol" Scrogerman; that's my whole point, why spend all that time and money introducing a margin of error? No point, unless you love trouble.

I don't know about the commercially sold ones because I'm not going to shell out hundreds of dollars for something that costs me 20 bucks, lol.

I'm sitting here trying to figure out what kind of medium I can't put my rockwool cuts into. Not that it matters, since I grow in expanded clay and red lava rock and I'm not changing any time soon.

The physical profile of bubble cloners sucks, too. All that added height. I can fit 2-3 times as many clones in the same space since I ditched the bubble cloners. And they can go anywhere. With bubblers you have all that water to lug around adding unnecessary weight. You need to change the water, etc. My clone area is in my bedroom up on a shelf I built, at the far end of the house from my grow room. It was a huge pain in the ass changing the water in my bubblers (they were big). And don't even get me started on air pump failure, lol. I have three paperweights from Wally World that lasted all of a month. Oh yeah, thanks for reminding me about the aquarium heater, another unnecessary expense I won't miss. I still have the Rubbermaid with the hole in the bottom burned by the aquarium heater.
 

erwingruber

Member
OK , now someone begin this thread to laugh at me.
I was making clones in rockwool cubes they need indeed 4 weeks until they go to the net
pot and they suffer a lot.If the clones is from a flowering plant then thjey need 6 weeks.
in a simple soil party cup i see roots in 7-10 days max with just unphed tap water (ph @ 8.0)

I try a bubble cloners cause i need faster rooting and i didn't like my clones to suffer.
so i build one bubble cloner
i cut 16 clones throw them in there and
mix some clonex in R/O water.
I didn't adjust ph cause they are no roots there and
my water temps is around 70 F
Finaly the clones is 1 inch inside the water

..................................10 days later
not even a sign of root
1 cone died
15 clones look very happy but NO roots.


where is my mistake guys cause i am looking
back to rockwools and rapid rooters.And pls where
they talk about 80 F at the water one guy here in icmag
clones in a simple party cup with water without even bubbles !!!!
 

erwingruber

Member
i mean exactly this and if you want me to find the post for you i will find it .
Plus on this i remember my mother "cloning" flowers with the same way.

AND i cannot clone with a bubble cloner :joint:
 

_Dude

Member
If the clones is from a flowering plant then thjey need 6 weeks.

Maybe this is strain-dependent, but no, they don't need 6 weeks in my case. I just put a batch into veg that were cut from girls 2 weeks into flower, and if anything they seemed to root faster! I didn't keep close track of time because I don't keep logs any more, but I my eyes almost popped out of my head when they were showing roots out of the cube at around 2 weeks.

I try a bubble cloners cause i need faster rooting and i didn't like my clones to suffer.

Faster rooting is the only reason to go aero/bubble IMO. And only if you're doing small numbers of clones. I bet most bubble-cloner guys are. If not, let's see a few post pics of their 300-clone DIY bubble cloner setups (my setup has 288 clone capacity in a 2'x2' area). I need way too many clones to mess around with a bubble cloner.

where is my mistake guys cause i am looking
back to rockwools and rapid rooters.

I did a side-by-side with plugs vs. rockwool and the rockwool kicked plug ass. I'll never mess with the plugs again. Not sure if they're the same as rapid rooters. They're a springy brown substance that almost looks like compressed peat or something.

I just don't have the need for speed some guys do. Flowering takes 8-9 weeks for me, and cloning takes 4, veg takes 2, leaving me 2-3 more weeks to jack off or whatever so I don't have any need for speed. In my experience the only time I need speed in cloning is when I've fucked up a crop and need to get a new one going ASAP, or when I'm starting fresh, both situations to be avoided at all costs. And fucking up a crop is no excuse either, since I keep clones going at all times anyway.
 

shorty68

Member
med.indoor grow first timer

med.indoor grow first timer

well darn i have been haveing problems using rapid shooter cubes in a heated dome.diesel & pineapple exspress clips are total failure.i mean dead n 1 wk. rooting compounds tried them all.brother n law us sprayer methiode and got roots off stem n three days. so guess what im gonna try:) yep bubble cloner.but a small one (5gal.bucket). will repost results later
 

Scrogerman

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DIY bubble cloners are Rube Goldberg bullshit. You gave the game away when you said "doing something wrong, lol" Scrogerman; that's my whole point, why spend all that time and money introducing a margin of error? No point, unless you love trouble.

I don't know about the commercially sold ones because I'm not going to shell out hundreds of dollars for something that costs me 20 bucks, lol.

I'm sitting here trying to figure out what kind of medium I can't put my rockwool cuts into. Not that it matters, since I grow in expanded clay and red lava rock and I'm not changing any time soon.

The physical profile of bubble cloners sucks, too. All that added height. I can fit 2-3 times as many clones in the same space since I ditched the bubble cloners. And they can go anywhere. With bubblers you have all that water to lug around adding unnecessary weight. You need to change the water, etc. My clone area is in my bedroom up on a shelf I built, at the far end of the house from my grow room. It was a huge pain in the ass changing the water in my bubblers (they were big). And don't even get me started on air pump failure, lol. I have three paperweights from Wally World that lasted all of a month. Oh yeah, thanks for reminding me about the aquarium heater, another unnecessary expense I won't miss. I still have the Rubbermaid with the hole in the bottom burned by the aquarium heater.

Dude,(edit)
Dont give up man & you''ll see why so many peeps rave about how easy it is! my DIY Bubblecloner cost me £25 all in!
RW works great with Hydroton/Clay balls! My Bubblecloner sat at 9" max lol! no water/solution Change, N/A
You shouldnt give up on something just because you didnt get it right bro"! seriously try it again, get it right & you'll never look back. Like i said im glad youve found a simple way to clone, but you shouldnt just dismiss something because you it didnt work first time. No offence man, but no wonder you fked it up, trying to glue airstones to the base of the cloner(fkin SuperGlue, r u aving a laugh), not nessasary! learn how to do it properly & then come back speak to me!
G'Luk to ya man! Peace!

heres a helpfull link for ya mate-its really good, by Cortez!: https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=26473&page=2

I could make a 3" high Bubblecloner & have the same 100% success in 5-10 days, its soo easy bro, you must try again! Even fussy rooters will kick out in a Bubblecloner!(if its done correctly)
 
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FreezerBoy

Was blind but now IC Puckbunny in Training
Veteran
i mean exactly this and if you want me to find the post for you i will find it .
Plus on this i remember my mother "cloning" flowers with the same way.

AND i cannot clone with a bubble cloner :joint:

You can find that, and nearly every other major style of cloning, here CLONERS- a collection of various methods See post 2.

Used "correctly" my bubbler has a 100% failure rate, killing everything that's been put in it. Used "wrong" (post 11) with rockwool, gel and cloning solution... 100% success.

No other area of growing delivers such disparate results from identical procedures. What grants one's success will spell disaster for another. Example? Domes; some say required, others say death incarnate.

If your method provides roots, it's the correct method no matter what you did. If it doesn't, tweak it or toss it. There are too many ways to do this than to adhere to a method that doesn't produce.
 

Scrogerman

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Done correctly Bubblecloners are the most effiecient way to clone(overall imo, cost, accuracy etc etc)). All you guys having issues just aint following the simple rules that come with Bubblecloners. Follow the rules & you will be back in this thread saying OMG that was soo easy. There are rules to follow, dont follow the rules & it wont work! its so easy my 12 year old could do it, easy!
You might have issues if your enviroment is wrong of course, but did i really need to add that point?

I sugest yall read that link i posted & try following guys having success with it, its piss simple guys! honestly!

My Rules:
-correct conditions.
-submerged stems 12-15mm
-83f solution for rooting(only)-very important*****(50w aqarium/water heater)
-Gentle bubbling solution (i use 2 x 12" cheapo blue airstones & a 300lph pump in 15-20ltr sol)
-Low EC 0.2-0.4(appropriate starter nute line/low NPK)
-standard PH-5.5-6.0
-keep an eye on it & watch roots form in 5-10days total. could'nt be simplier. I think thats about it! Goes without saying environment(all of it, water alkalinity too) should be in an accepatable range.

Ive even done it successfully without adjusting EC(Tap only-120ppms approx) Or PH(8.0 approx) but imo they do need adjusting appropriately for best results!
 
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erwingruber

Member
OK FreezerBoy give you the link that i mention.

Scrogerman i build my cloners exactly as Cortez reccomends
but i did not read about the water temps.
Only thinks i have different is water temps and clones 1 inch inside
the water .

The bad think is that i start flushing in one week
and i have no rooted clones yet : (
 

Scrogerman

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Veteran
OK FreezerBoy give you the link that i mention.

Scrogerman i build my cloners exactly as Cortez reccomends
but i did not read about the water temps.
Only thinks i have different is water temps and clones 1 inch inside
the water .

The bad think is that i start flushing in one week
and i have no rooted clones yet : (

It wont work without the correct temps bro! thats where youve gone wrong, try it again & PM me results! hehe you'll lov it!

set the aquarium heater to 83f for rooting(only), once you see the roots at say 10mm, start to reduce tempretures back down, slowly over 3 -5 days back down to 68-70f, which is what i want for DWC. H2o2 is a welcome addition & will decrease rooting time & increase root growth again. ;) ;) ;) use a simple mineral based nute line with low NPK ratio like IONIC(esp if using h2o2), wicked shit bro!

Little tip, keep checking water/solution temps untill you have it worked out & set! the aquarium heater may be oversized(like mine), i had to set my 50w heater to 68f-72f to maintain the 83f temps, because the heater was oversized & for 50-100litre aquarium. OK bro, just keep checking & adjusting untill your happy. second time around it will be very easy bro! use your hands/fingers & get to know what different water temps feel like first, then its simple!(use an aquarium thermometer), tbh a smaller heater would of served me much better, but i still found it simple anyway! btw, about 1" is fine ime! (but i prefer 12-15mm) Submerged stems!

G'Luck!
 
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Scrogerman

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Categorically untrue. Been there, done that. 100% failure every time.

Whatever bro! Works for everyone i know, your the only 1(with good experience) with probs ive ever seen anywhere!
Why is it, it works for everyone else & not you bro!?(people that do it right that is) Prolly something up with your water, i know you know how to do it! a 5 year could do it! no offence, its soo simple & cheap to make a DIY BC!
 
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stihgnobevoli

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you guys be making this shit too hard, you take the DEA method to everything. you dont need to go through bubble cloners and all that shit if you dont even know why you're doing it or what it is exactly you're doing on a finer level. just learn what it is you are doing and how that happens and you will be ok.

you want roots? what do roots need? water and air. you can clone with just plain water out of your sink, dont have to ph it or add anything to it. you could go outside to the gutter and scoop up a cup of filthy water from a mud puddle and clone in that. attack the problems not the symptoms.

with that being said you should be able to clone in anything in your house with huge success if you know the operating principles behind what it is you are trying to achieve. get a cut, wrap it in paper towel, moisten and wrap the stem in plastic wrap and leave it on a window sill with some sunlight falling on it during the day. make sure it doesnt dry out (thats what the plastic wrap is for) and in a few days you will see roots. doesnt need to be dark or any of that other mumbo jumbo. just needs to be warm, moist and have air.

bubble cloners... i dont even see why you guys go through all that expense. buyong a heater and all kinds of other shit? why? you dont even need all that. rube goldberg like someone else said earlier.
 

Scrogerman

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Veteran
you guys be making this shit too hard, you take the DEA method to everything. you dont need to go through bubble cloners and all that shit if you dont even know why you're doing it or what it is exactly you're doing on a finer level. just learn what it is you are doing and how that happens and you will be ok.

you want roots? what do roots need? water and air. you can clone with just plain water out of your sink, dont have to ph it or add anything to it. you could go outside to the gutter and scoop up a cup of filthy water from a mud puddle and clone in that. attack the problems not the symptoms.

with that being said you should be able to clone in anything in your house with huge success if you know the operating principles behind what it is you are trying to achieve. get a cut, wrap it in paper towel, moisten and wrap the stem in plastic wrap and leave it on a window sill with some sunlight falling on it during the day. make sure it doesnt dry out (thats what the plastic wrap is for) and in a few days you will see roots. doesnt need to be dark or any of that other mumbo jumbo. just needs to be warm, moist and have air.

bubble cloners... i dont even see why you guys go through all that expense. buyong a heater and all kinds of other shit? why? you dont even need all that. rube goldberg like someone else said earlier.

No not at all, the OP said he couldnt manage it(bubblecloning) & gets great success in soil/spagnum peat moss etc. i find it strange people cant manage Bubblecloning, for me its the easiest way to clone there is!
each to the own, as long as we all get there in the end! To be fair, hydroponic/water culture growers should find it alot easier that most!
 
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