The Emerald Triangle Could Be In Grave Danger....

[SilverSurfer_OG]

Alex has been proven right on all kinds of issues!

He predicted 9/11
His guest predicted the price in oil spike months before it happened
He predicted the roll out of homeland security mobile brain scanners to be used at sports stadiums and travel hubs
He predicted the turning of the homeland security apparatus and patriot act against the US people. Especially the crazy constitutionalists...

I could dig up many more examples.

He HAS interviewed expert scientists! He always makes a point of saying its just his opinion and not to take his word for anything!

You gonna see martial law and massive deaths. Thats my opinion btw.

Sorry to be a drag.

 

[DiscoBiscuit]

Alex has been proven right on all kinds of issues!

He predicted 9/11
His guest predicted the price in oil spike months before it happened
He predicted the roll out of homeland security mobile brain scanners to be used at sports stadiums and travel hubs
He predicted the turning of the homeland security apparatus and patriot act against the US people. Especially the crazy constitutionalists...

I could dig up many more examples.

He HAS interviewed expert scientists! He always makes a point of saying its just his opinion and not to take his word for anything!

You gonna see martial law and massive deaths. Thats my opinion btw.

Sorry to be a drag.

Nah, man I'm not knocking the way you feel personally. IMO, Alex is a bit of a sensationalist. IMO, the commentator's opinion is the lessor one I'm interested, if and when they feature so-called expert guests. The mere mention of "don't take my word for it" strikes me as "we report, you decide." IMO, news isn't supposed to tell us how to respond and the mere mention seems awkward.

I'm a old fella and have seen my share of cover ups and bad news coverage in general. Even when the gulf spill happened I felt uncomfortable that my favorite newscasters didn't get to the bones of many aspects.

I'm using as much caution as I can manage at this point. I don't know how I'd feel if I lived on the west coast. All we here on this side of the spectrum is reports that all the iodide pills are scarfed up. But that's a bit misleading, many of our buddies may be well aware that no hyped circumstances abound. I guess it depends on where your radar is pointed.

 

[SilverSurfer_OG]

I get ya.

Sure Alex is a sensationalist. But i know he speaks the truth.

Now what happens if those Cherynobyl particles you were talking about. The ones that we all have in our bodies.... what if those tiny particles are plutonium and not cesium or strontium or even uranium???

I hope im wrong!

 

[Frozenguy]

USA dropped two nuclear bombs on Japan, which resulted in massive explosions [] sending huge amounts of radioactive debris high into the sky. We didn't get fallout here did we?

The fires and small hydrogen explosions have been small and decently contained in the primary containment.

Chernobyl used GRAPHITE!!! Chernobyl reactor was a stolen French design that the French deemed too unsafe and tossed in the bin.
The Russians even further removed safety features to make it cheaper.

Electrical (NOT nuclear) engineers caused the accident while performing an electrical engineering experiment without the supervision of nuclear physicists/engineers.

Chernobyl also blew its top sky high..

These Japanese reactors are designed to fail in on themselves so to speak, and not blow sky high if at all.

Even if a large plume made it to the jet stream (highly unlikely) its halflife and dilution rate would make the health concern almost zilch.

Sleep easy west coast.

 

[DiscoBiscuit]

USA dropped two nuclear bombs on Japan, which resulted in massive explosions [] sending huge amounts of radioactive debris high into the sky. We didn't get fallout here did we?

Fact Sheet on Fallout Report and Related Maps

We offer the following observations and interpretations on the report by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and the National Cancer Institute, titled Progress Report to Congress: A Feasibility Study of the Health Consequences to the American Population of Nuclear Weapons Test Conducted by the United States and Other Nations (referred to hereafter as the CDC/NCI study), and its accompanying maps. These documents can be found on IEER's web site . (The report and maps are also scheduled to be posted at the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention's web site, www.cdc.gov.) ...

• Cesium-137 (Cs-137) deposition is a good proxy for external gamma dose distribution on a relative basis. Therefore, Cs-137 deposition is a good proxy for distribution of the excess cancers due to external radiation. The two Cs-137 deposition maps show that most of the Cs-137 deposition in the United States was due to global (non-NTS) fallout. Hence, most of the estimated 11,000 cancer fatalities in the United States due to external gamma radiation would be due to tests conducted outside of the continental United States. States containing counties with the highest Cs-137 deposition include: Arkansas
  California
  Idaho
  Indiana
  Iowa
  Missouri
  New Hampshire
  North Carolina
  Oregon
  Pennsylvania
  South Dakota
  Tennessee
  Utah
  Vermont
  Washington
  Wyoming
  Counties in other states throughout the eastern half of the United States received substantial Cs-137 deposition. A larger number of states have counties that received substantial thyroid doses of radioactive iodine from NTS tests.

• The CDC/NCI study included tests conducted between 1951 and 1962. This means that:
  • Chinese tests were not included (1964 to 1980)
  • French atmospheric tests after 1962 were not included. Hence all French atmospheric tests in the Pacific were not included. (France conducted atmospheric tests from 1960 until 1974.)
  • The pre-1951 tests in the Marshall Islands and the Soviet Union, the 1945 New Mexico test, and the Hiroshima and Nagasaki bombings were not included.
  • Ventings from underground tests in the United States or the Soviet Union were not included.

http://www.ieer.org/comments/fallout/factsht.html

The fires and small hydrogen explosions have been small and decently contained in the primary containment.

Chernobyl used GRAPHITE!!! Chernobyl reactor was a stolen French design that the French deemed too unsafe and tossed in the bin.
The Russians even further removed safety features to make it cheaper.

Electrical (NOT nuclear) engineers caused the accident while performing an electrical engineering experiment without the supervision of nuclear physicists/engineers.

Chernobyl also blew its top sky high..

These Japanese reactors are designed to fail in on themselves so to speak, and not blow sky high if at all.

They were only designed to sustain a 7 earthquake. None of these water containment vessels are designed to contain w/o water. There's tons of fuel and depleted fuel. Worst case scenario would be enough radioactivity to keep technicians out of the equation long enough for meltdown.

Gorby had to use the Soviet air force to bombard the Chernobyl site with dirt, concrete and boric acid. They also had to build a steel reinforced concrete sarcophagus over the whole thing. They didn't have enough time to engineer longevity and it's falling in on itself. All the bad stuff still lies underneath, in the same shape they left it.

It has been suggested that Cancers as high as 500x the normal rate extended beyond published reports.


I'm just keeping abreast of the info and trying to keep my cool at the same time.

 

[Frozenguy]

They were only designed to sustain a 7 earthquake. None of these water containment vessels are designed to contain w/o water. There's tons of fuel and depleted fuel. Worst case scenario would be enough radioactivity to keep technicians out of the equation long enough for meltdown.

Gorby had to use the Soviet air force to bombard the Chernobyl site with dirt, concrete and boric acid. They also had to build a steel reinforced concrete sarcophagus over the whole thing. They didn't have enough time to engineer longevity and it's falling in on itself. All the bad stuff still lies underneath, in the same shape they left it.

It has been suggested that Cancers as high as 500x the normal rate extended beyond published reports.


I'm just keeping abreast of the info and trying to keep my cool at the same time.

All I saw in that whole report was the fact that they dont know the results of any possible fallout from the two japanese detonations across the world.

And I know what happened at Chernobyl, thats why I felt comfortable saying that the Japanese scenario will be nothing like chernobyl.

If chernobyl didn't blow sky high, it wouldn't have been nearly as bad. If it hadn't used graphite, but still exploded sky high, it wouldn't have been as bad, but still worse than no sky high explosion.

Neither of these will/did happen in Japan.

The fact that the reactors were designed for 7.0 means that they were to stay operational.

The design is inherently 'safe', as in it can't go anywhere near Chernobyl even if one tried.



The spent fuel rod pool is the issue here, not the reactors.
And it is more an issue for Japanese people than USA, but I will admit that USA may see some raised radioactive activity if the spent fuel pools are not put/kept under control.

I'm prepared for it if it does happen, but I'm not too worried yet.

 

[Hydro-Soil]

I saw a scientist on the tube speaking of Chernobyl. He said we all have a tiny piece of Chernobyl in our bodies. They even have a blip on the radiometer that represents elevated cesium(?) from the fallout.

Chernobyl was well under 100 uranium based fuel rods.


We're talking over 600,000 SPENT fuel rods. Spent rods ALL contain plutonium and some of them were weapons grade plutonium when they went IN to the reactor.

The radiation levels are so intense that the cores in reactors 5 and 6 (Which were shut down at the time and "Cold") are now receiving so much radiation that they're beginning to warm up.
Those "Cores" are contained within the nuclear reactor they're sitting in.... BEHIND the shielding... and they're still getting hit with enough radiation to heat them up.


You can hold a geiger counter up into the sky in some parts of california and register blips as dust particles drift past. Do you have any idea how insane that is? We're talking detectable fallout from just the initial explosions.... NOT the offgassing that these rods are doing in the pits.



Unless you're growing indoor... with filtered water and HEPA filtered air (and even then I'm not sure).... I'm not interested in anything from california anymore.


Japan is dead folks. Unless they can entomb them all and quickly.. it will be years before they burn themselves out.


Don't say I didn't warn ya.

 

[kmk420kali]

Alex has been proven right on all kinds of issues!

He predicted 9/11
His guest predicted the price in oil spike months before it happened
He predicted the roll out of homeland security mobile brain scanners to be used at sports stadiums and travel hubs
He predicted the turning of the homeland security apparatus and patriot act against the US people. Especially the crazy constitutionalists...

I could dig up many more examples.

He HAS interviewed expert scientists! He always makes a point of saying its just his opinion and not to take his word for anything!

You gonna see martial law and massive deaths. Thats my opinion btw.

Sorry to be a drag.

I am going to be Diplomatic...and only call him a Moron--
He has "Predicted" hundreds of things...I could do the same--
Let's talk about what he has said, that has NOT come true...and see what kind of ratio we come up with--

 

[kmk420kali]

Chernobyl was well under 100 uranium based fuel rods.


We're talking over 600,000 SPENT fuel rods. Spent rods ALL contain plutonium and some of them were weapons grade plutonium when they went IN to the reactor.

The radiation levels are so intense that the cores in reactors 5 and 6 (Which were shut down at the time and "Cold") are now receiving so much radiation that they're beginning to warm up.
Those "Cores" are contained within the nuclear reactor they're sitting in.... BEHIND the shielding... and they're still getting hit with enough radiation to heat them up.


You can hold a geiger counter up into the sky in some parts of california and register blips as dust particles drift past. Do you have any idea how insane that is? We're talking detectable fallout from just the initial explosions.... NOT the offgassing that these rods are doing in the pits.



Unless you're growing indoor... with filtered water and HEPA filtered air (and even then I'm not sure).... I'm not interested in anything from california anymore.


Japan is dead folks. Unless they can entomb them all and quickly.. it will be years before they burn themselves out.


Don't say I didn't warn ya.

LOS ANGELES – Air pollution regulators in Southern California say they have not detected increased levels of radiation from the damaged Japanese nuclear reactors.
The South Coast Air Quality Management District said Friday radiation measured at its three sites are not higher than typical levels.
The agency's monitors are part of the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency's network of more than 100 sensors across the nation that track radiation levels every hour.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110319/ap_on_re_us/us_west_coast_radiation_monitors

 

[GreatLakes THC]

Why the FUCK entombment is not happening now is completely beyond me.

I've been thinking that same thing for a couple of days now. Why risk it right?

GreatLakes THC

 

[SilverSurfer_OG]

Tin foil hat is now active.

Tin foil hat is now active.

I've been thinking that same thing for a couple of days now. Why risk it right?

GreatLakes THC

Because the satanic overlords want to make damn sure enough plutonium is in the air to create the mega-kill they so desire. Just go and have a look at the Georgia guidestones...

The more sea water they throw on there the more radioactive steam they can generate???

Yes they are that insane i believe...

 

[DiscoBiscuit]

The less water, the bigger the meltdown.

 

[Frozenguy]

You think its just done when they entomb it? No way..
Its way worse than sweeping dirt under the carpet.

Think about their drinking water...

They are trying to minimize damage and fuel melt and avoid entombing it and ruining the area.

We could then relate this issue to Chernobyl in that sense.


Its also extremely costly, takes a lot of resources, and they would kiss that entire facility goodbye.

They have a lot of tough decisions to make, and the heros working there right now are taking on a lot of deadly radiation to try and control this. They had to raise the limit of exposure for workers by 50% already so they can work longer shifts.

 

[DiscoBiscuit]

All I saw in that whole report was the fact that they dont know the results of any possible fallout from the two japanese detonations across the world.

And I know what happened at Chernobyl, thats why I felt comfortable saying that the Japanese scenario will be nothing like chernobyl.

If chernobyl didn't blow sky high, it wouldn't have been nearly as bad. If it hadn't used graphite, but still exploded sky high, it wouldn't have been as bad, but still worse than no sky high explosion.

Neither of these will/did happen in Japan.

I'll wait until the fat lady sings on the last one.

The fact that the reactors were designed for 7.0 means that they were to stay operational.

Underestimation of disaster rendered operational broken.

The design is inherently 'safe', as in it can't go anywhere near Chernobyl even if one tried.

Inherently is relative. The three inspectors that comprised design review of the Mark 1 reactor resigned in protest, due to compromise over cost.

The spent fuel rod pool is the issue here, not the reactors.

You might want to double check that. Nobody knows the extent of respective reactor damage. If spent fuel was the only issue, sea water wouldn't have been pumped into the reactors. It was and for suspected reason. They don't want core melt down and pumping water into the reactors is what's intended to prevent it.

And it is more an issue for Japanese people than USA, but I will admit that USA may see some raised radioactive activity if the spent fuel pools are not put/kept under control.

Don't forget the explosions from pouring water on the reactors.

I'm prepared for it if it does happen, but I'm not too worried yet.

My intent isn't to worry. I leave that up to the folks that think this is a depopulation opportunity.

You don't have to grow another finger to recognize there's potential for raised cancer rates. That's more than enough potential to be open minded to the risks.

 

[Crusader Rabbit]

Granted that any introduction of radioactive particulates into the atmosphere can result in some consequences in the long term for somebody somewhere downwind ... let's put this into a realistic perspective.

If you're a baby boomer, when you were a child, China, Russia, and the United States were detonating hydrogen bombs above ground. Think how many radioactive particulates were introduced into the atmosphere by the United States' vaporization of Bikini Atoll in the Pacific Ocean? Winds carried some of that stuff across
North America. As I remember it, most of us survived. North America didn't turn into some B movie post nuclear holocaust. A melt down of a few reactors in Japan sucks, but it's nothing compared to a thermonuclear above ground detonation, of which there were many.

 

[DiscoBiscuit]

CR, check a few posts back. Results of Hiroshima, Nagasaki and post WWII bomb fallout testing weren't released. They may not have been performed. We can't determine the elevated cancers associated with those episodes. It's not that we weren't affected, we just don't know how much.

Medical physicians commonly refer to higher cancer rates in the US as compared to other countries. They're looking for causes related to diet and environment (which happens.) Our nuclear watch dog can't make fallout connections because there's no relative fallout data.

The folks that squelched our necessary fallout testing are the folks that brought us nuclear energy. Published tests could have scrapped that plan.

 

[Crusader Rabbit]

DB, I totally agree that our high cancer rates could be associated with nuclear testing. I've heard horror stories about those living downwind in Utah. Those effects could reasonably be extrapolated out to people across N.A. receiving lower dosages. My post was more in response to those claiming that this situation in Japan will reduce society in the western states to some sort of zombie apocalypse.

Sorry I didn't make this clearer. It is a problem with the linear thread arrangement here, but I could have better stated where I was coming from.

 

[SilverSurfer_OG]

I said it before in the other thread but its worth mentioning again...

The nuclear bomb tests and the ones used on Japan detonated and destroyed most of the fissile material. This is an entirely different scenario.

I wonder if Obama is enjoying his little family outing to South America hmmm?

 

[Stress_test]

I'm not really concerned about radiation from Japan.
But what I think the entire world really should be keeping track of at this point is the amount of real estate we keep fucking up with this nuclear shit.
I mean this incident will displace millions of people and the land will be unusable for several thousand years. Chernobyl, 3 Mile Isl., and dozens of nuclear and chemical fuckups are rendering the earth uninhabitable.

I mean wtf, I drive an outdated 2007 Ford Explorer, burn wood for heat and drink beer. I've never believed in global warming crap and was a logger and tree topper during college. But how damn many bomb tests and fuckups like this do world governments think they can get away with before we all have to recycle our own urine and wear space suits?

Where the hell will I be able to grow my weed?

 

[Frozenguy]

Underestimation of disaster rendered operational broken.

A 9.0 is twenty times more powerful than a 7.0.

Why didn't they bulid it for 11.0? Because of cost.

It costs a lot, way too much for a 9.0 that may never come. So they designed the plant so it would catastrophically fail like chernobyl or others, but will just fail.

Inherently is relative. The three inspectors that comprised design review of the Mark 1 reactor resigned in protest, due to compromise over cost.

And GE obviously didn't respect their decision enough to even keep them from quitting. The reactor has withstood a 9.0 and a tsunami. If it wasn't for that tsunami being just over their tsunami wall, the plant would have performed very very well.

You might want to double check that. Nobody knows the extent of respective reactor damage. If spent fuel was the only issue, sea water wouldn't have been pumped into the reactors. It was and for suspected reason. They don't want core melt down and pumping water into the reactors is what's intended to prevent it. Don't forget the explosions from pouring water on the reactors.

They know the extent of reactor damage more than the spent fuel pools. No containment on the spent fuel pools. Scientists aren't even going near there.

And I never said the spent fuel pools were the only issue, just the main issue. Because they are not contained, and they are boiling away their coolant. There is also no backup cooling system for the spent fuel pool.

You don't have to grow another finger to recognize there's potential for raised cancer rates. That's more than enough potential to be open minded to the risks.

I am open minded to the risks. But as its going now, Japan is the one that should be worrying. California getting plumes of cancer causing doses of radiation is just highly unlikely, but possible in this universe. Many things are, just takes the right sort of events. Lets hope things dont get even MORE crazy in Japan.