The 5x5 limits in prop 19 were for indoor grows. Outdoor was larger.
No reason a vert grow wouldn't work outside anyway. You can't stack plants on stands outside? The magic of geometry only works indoors?
Get the fuck out of here.
The 5x5 limits in prop 19 were for indoor grows. Outdoor was larger.
No reason a vert grow wouldn't work outside anyway. You can't stack plants on stands outside? The magic of geometry only works indoors?
Get the fuck out of here.
man that sucks that certain states dont have that. im sure theres a way to change that...that seems downright unconstitutional to have no voter initiatives. im sure some good legal work can find a way to figure out how to make sure all states have the right to voter propositions.
yea lets all do so much extra work just to abide by government regulations.
and i would love to see how you would run vertical outdoors.....i dont see that working at all...it would be a waste of time, resources, it would destroy stealth, you would loose a ton of light penetration on the giant outdoor smartpots. basically ANTI, your sentiment is that we should all be willing to do unneccesary extra work just to abide by some stupid regulation. sounds so damn liberal progressive it makes me sick...."lets all put maglocks on our guns and only be allowed to shoot ammo made from degradable unicorn teeth"
yea lets all do so much extra work just to abide by government regulations.
and i would love to see how you would run vertical outdoors.....i dont see that working at all...it would be a waste of time, resources, it would destroy stealth, you would loose a ton of light penetration on the giant outdoor smartpots. basically ANTI, your sentiment is that we should all be willing to do unneccesary extra work just to abide by some stupid regulation. sounds so damn liberal progressive it makes me sick...."lets all put maglocks on our guns and only be allowed to shoot ammo made from degradable unicorn teeth"
Thomkal Vwalaa
Member
Exactly, which is why I keep saying you non-CA folks need to push for MMj, that's the way in. Everything else is idealistic BS and the blame game. Thread over. lol
Thomkal Vwalaa
Member
You can do whatever, doesn't mean it makes sense or is realistic. Your vert statement is flaming garbage. Maybe it was a joke and I missed it.
again we already did...
this is just another obfuscation.
it is not either or.
cali passing a recreational DOES NOT PREVENT ANY NON MED STATE FROM BECOMING A MED STATE
bullshit equation of cali recreational with other states medical over lol.
cmon little guy step up with something other than cali cant have recreational till every state has med..
wtf?!?!?
I was one of the many "Yes on 19" Growers...but I had to separate my Job from my Beliefs/Morals--
The biggest thing I, as a Grower would want to see...is a sliding Fee for Licensing-- So if I want to have a 30 acre field, I would pay "Blah-Blah"...but if I am only doing a 10,000 sq ft Greenhouse, I pay "blah"--
Also, if we have to pay the Licensing Fee...I think the Taxes should all be on the Retailer--
(oh...and maybe a Clause making Spidermites illegal....so we can Deport those Bastards!! hahaha!!!)
there is the crux of the matter, when you're in a voter initiative state, the voter has power
in non-voter initiative states, you have none(for all practical purposes)
you will not effect the legislature on anything but the very top issues
i do actually write/donate/lobby/educate, but it has no real impact
some one asked if this is constitutional? very much so, part of your state constitution
Except the words out now that to California, the word "medical Cannabis" means sell it to anyone in or outside the State. Do you fail to see the damage that has done for other States trying to get med laws? All we hear in NY now is "we don't want another mess like they have in Cali". And with Cuomo in, we can forget it now for quite some time.... I think some of you in Cali have become dillusional with this med talk.... The rest of the Country now see's 215 as a legal way to grow Cannabis to sell it anywhere you want.
They had to go and make that show Cannabis Inc or whatever was on the discovery channel that exposed things for what they are... I wish that show had never aired. Maybe we could have hid the truth a while longer.....
It's closer to saying "I don't need a fully-automatic machine gun because I can use my 9mm."
I get your point... get mine. You said you couldn't even grow enough for your own personal needs in a 5x5. I'm suggesting ways that you could. Not even arguing about whether 5x5 is fair or reasonable.
I don't grow vert. I grow in two chambers that are 1.5ftx1.5ft each.
So... for the mathematically challenged, I am growing in about 4 sq ft. Not 25 sq ft which is what Prop 19 would've allowed. 4.
And yes, I cover my own needs. My needs are to smoke about 2g a day, every day and a little extra on some days.
2g x 31 days = 62g a month. (A little over 2 ounces.)
I'm a pretty heavy smoker, at least compared to anyone I have ever known who smoked. (In Cali or elsewhere.) Recent informal polls on this website show that the average grower here is smoking the same OR LESS than I smoke myself.
So you're telling me you couldn't find a way to pull 18 oz out of 5x5? I think you're not trying very hard.
(18 oz / 3 people = 6oz each. 6oz each / 3 months = 2 oz a month per person. 3 people in original scenario.)
18 ounces is only a little over a pound. JJ says he was doing 2 lbs in only 21sq ft with only 1200w of light!
Honest discussion is one thing, but making shit up like you are doing is getting us nowhere.
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feral
Well......I guess he was just being a dick.
(sorry had to get that in after I read the response
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Yes a state-run dispensary. This thing is supposed to be operational soon, and we still dont know who's growing our bud. This is not the way to do it, and it only exists because of the way it was abused in other state.
The "piggybacking" of cali potheads and growers is what has caused our east coast laws to be rediculous. Hopefully we can rewrite this law we have passed, cuz the model sucks. patients will have to buy.....
SERIOUSLY??????pharma cannabis? that was the biggest "no" arguement for legalization. "we dont want big pharma doing our farming" now its "hey you guys get thc controlled lab bud, be happy with it."
If anything, seperating the recreational from the medicinal would do much to further loosening restrictions on growers out here. It would show that it IS and actual medical product, and it DOES hel many people. Not just that "hey the stoners made a joke of this thing now we have stores with weed man!".
The recreational blending into medical fucked up the rest of the country's chances at having anything like is out there.
I was one of the many "Yes on 19" Growers...but I had to separate my Job from my Beliefs/Morals--
The biggest thing I, as a Grower would want to see...is a sliding Fee for Licensing-- So if I want to have a 30 acre field, I would pay "Blah-Blah"...but if I am only doing a 10,000 sq ft Greenhouse, I pay "blah"--
Also, if we have to pay the Licensing Fee...I think the Taxes should all be on the Retailer--
(oh...and maybe a Clause making Spidermites illegal....so we can Deport those Bastards!! hahaha!!!)
And thanks for actually adding something to the conversation!
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schwagg
look at this shit right here!! https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=201778
that's where some real 2012 efforts could start instead of the mamby pamby jackwagonin' going on in here!!!
that's where some real 2012 efforts could start instead of the mamby pamby jackwagonin' going on in here!!!
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rick shaw
California NORML conference January 29th
California NORML conference January 29th
In the aftermath of Prop 19,California NORML will host a statewide conference to discuss the future of marijuana reform efforts in California at the David Bower Center in the People's Republic of Berkley on Saturday,January 29,2011
The conference will feature a public discussion with drug reform leaders,legislators,attorneys,physicians,medical marijuana groups and the press.
The first part of the conference will be devoted to lessons learned from the Prop 19 campaign;where to go from here,and what changes in wording and tactics should be adopted in future legislation efforts.Assemblyman Tom Ammiano is expected to introduce another legalization bill this year and parallel efforts are underway to develop ballot language for a 2012 initiative.
The major focus of the conference will be California's medical marijuana system,which is badly in need of repair.Fourteen years after passage of Prop 215,patient access remains problematic in many parts of the state,as the local governments have moved to ban dispensaries and restrict cultivation by patients and collectives.The states current law governing distribution,sale,processing,delivery and cultivation,SB420 is vague and ambiguous,leading to scores of lawsuits to be resolved.
At the local level,activists have been pushing innovative proposals to license collective gardens and sales.At the state level,advocates will be pushing for renewed legislation to protect patients rights,such as The Medical Patient Rights Bill that was sponsored by then Assemblymen Mark Leno but vetoed by Gov Schwarzenegger in 2008.
This timely event will present an opportunity for NORML members and friends to participate in an open public discussion of essentials issues that will frame the struggle over the next two years.The conference will run from 9:30-5:30;the pre-registration fee is $30 includes lunch.The Bower Center is a smoke free facility located at 2150 Allston St. and Oxford St. nearthe Berkley Center BART stop.
California NORML conference January 29th
In the aftermath of Prop 19,California NORML will host a statewide conference to discuss the future of marijuana reform efforts in California at the David Bower Center in the People's Republic of Berkley on Saturday,January 29,2011
The conference will feature a public discussion with drug reform leaders,legislators,attorneys,physicians,medical marijuana groups and the press.
The first part of the conference will be devoted to lessons learned from the Prop 19 campaign;where to go from here,and what changes in wording and tactics should be adopted in future legislation efforts.Assemblyman Tom Ammiano is expected to introduce another legalization bill this year and parallel efforts are underway to develop ballot language for a 2012 initiative.
The major focus of the conference will be California's medical marijuana system,which is badly in need of repair.Fourteen years after passage of Prop 215,patient access remains problematic in many parts of the state,as the local governments have moved to ban dispensaries and restrict cultivation by patients and collectives.The states current law governing distribution,sale,processing,delivery and cultivation,SB420 is vague and ambiguous,leading to scores of lawsuits to be resolved.
At the local level,activists have been pushing innovative proposals to license collective gardens and sales.At the state level,advocates will be pushing for renewed legislation to protect patients rights,such as The Medical Patient Rights Bill that was sponsored by then Assemblymen Mark Leno but vetoed by Gov Schwarzenegger in 2008.
This timely event will present an opportunity for NORML members and friends to participate in an open public discussion of essentials issues that will frame the struggle over the next two years.The conference will run from 9:30-5:30;the pre-registration fee is $30 includes lunch.The Bower Center is a smoke free facility located at 2150 Allston St. and Oxford St. nearthe Berkley Center BART stop.
no i could probably pull that much, but you forget i have to peice out a few of those OZs to help cover PGE and other costs, theres alot of them. i gotta recoop the thousands of dollars ive spent on dehueys light controllers phantom ballasts, plus my recurring soil costs which are a couple hundred bucks every run, plus my 90 dollar HPS bulbs, and then on top of all that, my PGE bill which dwarfs everything else.
i want to at least break even before i start giving away my other meds...but honestly i rarely break even because even though that 2g per day sounds good on paper, it rarely works. easily some days we go through a quarter or more, and i smoke a ton of people out too, and i give weed away to a few people i know who need it for help sleeping, etc.....at the end of the day i still have to go to the club to BUY weed lol thats how bad it is......and thats growing in 3x6 under two 400s for the past year. now im bumping it up to 2200 over 4x8 and another 2k over another 4x8 that should be more than enough.
10x10 minimum limit for indoor growing. and MULTIPLE SCRIPTS under one house.
thats what i want to see in the new prop 19. im not even touching on the big pharma monopoly issue. theres no way to solve that it is inevitable that they will run momnpops outta business.
Any Proposition MUST have no mention of 215...other than to mention that it does not effect it--
So how do you keep coming up with this "Scripts" stuff??
Not trying to argue with you man...I just don't see what you keep trying to say--
If you drink alcohol is it free? Are cig's free? Gas?
Legalization isn't going to mean free. It's going to cost like everything else does. There will be stores that sell it just like food and everything else.... And if you grow your own it will be like having your own veggie garden or brewing your own beer or wine...
And it will still be illegal to sell it without the proper paperwork.....
Legalization isn't going to mean free. It's going to cost like everything else does. There will be stores that sell it just like food and everything else.... And if you grow your own it will be like having your own veggie garden or brewing your own beer or wine...
And it will still be illegal to sell it without the proper paperwork.....
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rick shaw
Legalization may come in 2012,I hope. Reform of the current California medical marijuana status is inevitable,and overdue. I don't know how the chips are gonna fall,if there will be a Cal legal market,Cal med market and a black market. I do know growers will still have a market.
and thats the ONLY problem. people like yes just want to keep selling mj at black market prices while incuring zero risk....
PS::: i love all these out of staters who came here just to grow trying to tell other people how CA should be....
how you going to tell other people to start MMJ shit in their state when you came to our state to take advantage???
