2012 Legalization Effort Starts

[MadBuddhaAbuser]

I find it highly unlikely that the other states that have med mj laws would have them if not for CA blazing the trail. Like it or not, if this is a war, then CA is the front line. This is just my opinion, but I believe that our ultimate goal should be legalization on a federal level. I also believe that if that is ever going to happen, it must happen at the state level in CA first.
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CA has it good right now, and I am happy for them. But in today's political climate I wonder how long that will last. Technically everything that goes on in the CA mj biz is against federal law. They may be one Right-wing presidential election from that all crashing down around their heads. That is why I believe that it is important that they take the next step before Palin or Cantor or whomever sends the mj movement back to the stone age.

Absolutely!



Also what a lot of people arent seeming to realize, is that IF this were unlimited growing, and IF individuals were still allowed to grow, then there is still tons of money to be made. Why should you assume everyone will be growing their own. Their will still be millions of americans who cant grow a damn thing, dont have time to grow, dont want to be bothered growing, are physically prevented from growing, dont have the money to invest in the right gear, dont know where to find the buds they want, etc. etc. etc. people will still need bud to grown for them. MILLIONS of people. The biggest part about it would removing the worry of losing freedom from those already growing.

This is all a hypothetical scenario of course.

 

[David762]

Act Locally, Think Globally.

Act Locally, Think Globally.

never understood that..
it is sooo much easier to affect change at the local level.
the more macro the harder it is to change.
dont like your city ordinance? its a hell of a lot easier to change than a state law!

Act Locally, Think Globally.

Isn't that part of the problem that we are now seeing in CA, that "it is so much easier to affect change at the local level", with the localities suppressing the rights of cannabis users, dispensaries, collectives, and individual growers?

Even at the State level it is AFAIK easier for the legislature to modify or overturn a State Bill than it is to overturn a Voter Referendum. Many of the most repressive authoritarian elements of government, local, State, and Federal make use of the "divide & conquer" axiom. In the wake of the defeat of Prop 19 we are seeing a resurgence in Their efforts to "put the toothpaste back into the toothpaste tube", regarding CA SB 420 and Prop 215.

Stronger and more liberal legislation at the State level, via another voter referendum, is needed to deflect the prohibitionists. IMHO, better written legislation than Prop 19 is needed, to not only press for State-wide cannabis re-legalization but also to eliminate many of the grey areas in current MMJ laws -- where the courts have been active. A more united front at the State level regarding regulation, control, and taxation of re-legalized cannabis would blunt the repressive undemocratic efforts of the prohibitionists, including especially the Feds|DEA.

 

[ion]

i feel like im teaching high school again when reading this thread...........

this spastic fit occuring here because of battles of wieners over legalization is interesting to say the least.

a thought to chew on * * concerning how much $cheddar$ will be involved in legalization.......think all the money floating in the black market now + marketing/advertisement + big-ag + us.gov.........all that. currently the largest cash crop there is.....

and we seriously think WE the people do have/will have a say/vote in the eventual outcome of this charade?

after TBTF banks walk with billions?
after 2 seriously criminal "wars" that we the people didnt want but got
after dr. change BHObama came on and makes bush look like a kindergartner


my point is i really dont believe, when it comes down to it, that legalization will come from the voices of the people, from a society that's finally realized it's stoopid to prohibit a plant...anything like that........it'll come if/when us.gov is ready to take full advantage of the current situation. i understand this will start in cali and it'll be a state vote......ya really think that matters? and if you think i'm tinfoil for not trusting these oxygen-thieves with the most beautiful plant on the planet......uh..........okay. keep drinking the kool-aid.


and for y'all who get "tired" of people talking about monsanto.......i just have to say you're very ignorant about the subject. a company responsible for saccharine, napalm, roundup, rbgh.......and yer worried about getting arrested?

readup, thats all i can offer.

http://coto2.wordpress.com/2010/10/25/prop-19-monsanto-and-gmo-terminator-cannabis/


http://www.fastcompany.com/magazine/79/cannabis.html

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/cannabis-a-year-that-changed-minds-1200871.html

http://www.cannabisculture.com/v2/node/19879

http://www.commondreams.org/newswire/2009/04/07-18

http://www.grain.org/seedling/?id=575

http://www.cannabisfarmer.com/web/node/39

http://cannabis-marijuana.com/cannabis-seed/index.html

 

[dagnabit]

Can you show me an "Emotional Outburst" from either one of them in this Thread?? BHT only posted once, and Dag has been vocal, but I have not seen anything that constitutes what you are saying--

its a common tactic..
they have nothing cogent to offer so they offer this...
rednick tried the same garbage but has yet to produce an example of my name calling.
tom tried saying i was a troll and has yet to produce evidence of my trollery(trollery is a registered trademark of dagco genetic modifications llc)
then apparently my use of "big words" (reminds me of the attitude in southern mississippi "you one of them smurt fellers what use them thar big words")is the offense de jour
it just displays the weakness of arguments for continued prohibition

 

[Anti]

so even if its legalized and bud sells for 50 a zip you could probably still scratch out a meager living running a budfarm. just gotta get used to only making 50k a year instead of 400k....

No offense, but 50k a year is more than the average American makes a year. It's a little better off than "scratching out a meager living".

If I could "scratch out a meager living" by legally growing $50,000 worth I'd be thrilled about it.

 

[dagnabit]

i feel like im teaching high school again when reading this thread...........

this spastic fit occuring here because of battles of wieners over legalization is interesting to say the least.

a thought to chew on * * concerning how much $cheddar$ will be involved in legalization.......think all the money floating in the black market now + marketing/advertisement + big-ag + us.gov.........all that. currently the largest cash crop there is.....

and we seriously think WE the people do have/will have a say/vote in the eventual outcome of this charade?

after TBTF banks walk with billions?
after 2 seriously criminal "wars" that we the people didnt want but got
after dr. change BHObama came on and makes bush look like a kindergartner


my point is i really dont believe, when it comes down to it, that legalization will come from the voices of the people, from a society that's finally realized it's stoopid to prohibit a plant...anything like that........it'll come if/when us.gov is ready to take full advantage of the current situation. i understand this will start in cali and it'll be a state vote......ya really think that matters? and if you think i'm tinfoil for not trusting these oxygen-thieves with the most beautiful plant on the planet......uh..........okay. keep drinking the kool-aid.


and for y'all who get "tired" of people talking about monsanto.......i just have to say you're very ignorant about the subject. a company responsible for saccharine, napalm, roundup, rbgh.......and yer worried about getting arrested?

readup, thats all i can offer.

http://coto2.wordpress.com/2010/10/25/prop-19-monsanto-and-gmo-terminator-cannabis/


http://www.fastcompany.com/magazine/79/cannabis.html

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/cannabis-a-year-that-changed-minds-1200871.html

http://www.cannabisculture.com/v2/node/19879

http://www.commondreams.org/newswire/2009/04/07-18

http://www.grain.org/seedling/?id=575

http://www.cannabisfarmer.com/web/node/39

http://cannabis-marijuana.com/cannabis-seed/index.html

lmao you do realize your probably within 10 feet of several items you purchased from chemstrand/monsanto right?

 

[dagnabit]

No offense, but 50k a year is more than the average American makes a year. It's a little better off than "scratching out a meager living".

If I could "scratch out a meager living" by legally growing $50,000 worth I'd be thrilled about it.

but what about my tax free 400k ?
i dont want to have to pay taxes like every other business person! i sure as fuck dont have the tenacity or skill to compete in an open market!!! i need the government to subsidize me with market controls in the form of prohibition....
he is probably fake ignoring you too so i did it for him. i just did it honest.

 

[ddrew]

i cant even tell what side you are on lol. first complaining about outdoor getting shipped to NY crashing prices, now you hate me because i dont support legalization? legalization in cali would REALLY crash NY prices haha...people would stop growing on the east coast and just get their packs shipped....il stay out of this thread. i dont grow for profit so i could care less. i have my plans for life in a legalized california, but until then things are fine the way they are.

I think I know where JJ is coming from on this one.
CA fucked up the legalization movement for all of us, but in CA they still get to grow as much as they like(basically) and ship it all over the place driving our local markets into the toilet.
I agree that legalization will drive the prices even lower, but at least the rest of us in non MMJ states won't have to operate under the Nazi thumb anymore, like you guys are doing out in CA already.
You want to be safe(CA), and as long as you are, f**k the rest of us is what it comes down to basically.

They need to take the movement for legalization the F**k out of CA, and start it in another state.
Stubborn bastards, they don't want to change, then f**K them, we'll find somewhere else to get the ball rolling, and leave you greedy, self serving bastards behind.

 

[THE PABLOS]

I think I know where JJ is coming from on this one.
CA fucked up the legalization movement for all of us, but in CA they still get to grow as much as they like(basically) and ship it all over the place driving our local markets into the toilet.
I agree that legalization will drive the prices even lower, but at least the rest of us in non MMJ states won't have to operate under the Nazi thumb anymore, like you guys are doing out in CA already.
You want to be safe(CA), and as long as you are, f**k the rest of us is what it comes down to basically.

They need to take the movement for legalization the F**k out of CA, and start it in another state.
Stubborn bastards, they don't want to change, then f**K them, we'll find somewhere else to get the ball rolling, and leave you greedy, self serving bastards behind.

LOL....bitching about lower prices...So take it out of California please and into your state. It's all yours. Don't blame us dude...what's with all the "fuck them"? If that's your reaction....you won't be going far in your state with legislation...get the ball rolling for us buddy...you are the one.

 

[THE PABLOS]

Did I miss the note that you're in charge now?

If I ban them there'd be a few others going to.... I asked everyone to calm down and a few have taken it to far...... It's a passionate subject. So lets everyone be respectful....

And so you know, it's not the thread making people hate each other..... It's some people's views on not wanting legalization.....

Really? So the ball is back in the court of those who share a different view than you? It's their fault this thread generates ill will? My gut feeling says....nope....how twisted.

 

[Hash Zeppelin]

( in a Butter's Voice) oh jesus!


I left for a like 10 hours and come back to a shit storm. Face Palm. I actually find my self agreeing with JJ. How many pages of slander do we actually need?

 

[ddrew]

LOL....bitching about lower prices...So take it out of California please and into your state. It's all yours. Don't blame us dude...what's with all the "fuck them"? If that's your reaction....you won't be going far in your state with legislation...get the ball rolling for us buddy...you are the one.

I'll be honest here, if I was in CA, and had been set up and making my money for years now, I wouldn't want anything to change either, so I understand why everyone out there acts this way, which is why I say F them, they're not ever going to help the rest of us, it needs to start somewhere else.
Another failed bill in 2012 in CA is THE LAST THING the movement needs right now.

It's time for the other states to turn their back on CA, boycott CA weed outside of CA.

 

[THE PABLOS]

I'll be honest here, if I was in CA, and had been set up and making my money for years now, I wouldn't want anything to change either, so I understand why everyone out there acts this way, which is why I say F them, they're not ever going to help the rest of us, it needs to start somewhere else.
Another failed bill in 2012 in CA is THE LAST THING the movement needs right now.

It's time for the other states to turn their back on CA, boycott CA weed outside of CA.

Agreed whole heartedly....turn away from self serving California and move on to some other state. I invite you to do just that. It is a mad place to live...a mad place to promote your legalization efforts....I'd leave California out of it. We are bad for cannabis image....I agree!!! Happy trails.

Used to be Canadian Beasters that was the targeted enemy..now it's Californian bud that is the new terrorist. As Fear says...."Let's start a war"!! And still....which and whatever the case....the consumer will get cheaper weed and perhaps more variety. If all that stuff you guys report is true...and you are so over run with California. Never hear about Beasters anymore....isn't that cool? What happened to the Canadian influx...is that no more? I don't believe it.

Never mind. I've never heard so many peeps (on both sides) bitch about cheaper weed....it cracks me up.

My grows are documented on here...I'm a hobby dude...small time doing it because I enjoy the art. I only voted on yes on 19 because I couldn't side with LEO.....but think government control is not the answer. Not here to debate my point of view...I've done that in the past.

Basically....since I'm Californian....you included me in your "fuck them".....very distasteful of you....when I'd roll you a fatty of homegrown and buy you a fish taco...and be friendly. Be well my sick friend.

 

[ddrew]

Come on Pablo, I didn't attack you or anyone else from CA in particular, because many of them are my friends, and I understand where they are coming from, and a fish taco sounds good.

I'm saying fuck them(the state) as a whole, they are not going to help anyone, and why should they from their perspective?
Anyone placing their hopes and dreams for legalization in the CA wagon is setting themselves up for a lot of frustration and disappointment.

I got sucked in by 19, and I really thought it would pass with support from the CA crowd, boy was I wrong, what an eye opener.
I won't get fooled again by another CA initiative, and caution others not to as well.
That is the gist of my posts.

Can I still get a taco?

 

[dagnabit]

people seem to forget but cali folks have said "fuck you" to everyone else all along..

how many times have you read "dont come here" "your state has prison for pot? sucks for you" ect....
then get all squishy when someone returns the "fuck you"

 

[mean mr.mustard]

im not sure this is a negative thing.
people should know where their peers in the community stand. i know there were certain breeders whos gear i was just shy of ordering till i found out their beliefs were diametrically opposed to mine. as a result i chose to spend my money elsewhere.
knowing where others stand on this issue is EXTREMELY important imo..

Then it would probably be a good idea for you to understand where others ACTUALLY stand on this issue.

No on 19 doesn't translate to "I don't want cannabis legalized at all".

I applaud people who don't vote for something they don't want voted in.

Celebrate whatever division you need to but know that it's not helping anyone at all.... especially when it doesn't need to be a dividing issue.

We used to be a community. Now we are cops and robbers? Cowboys and indians?

We are growers. I respect that. I put my pants on one leg at a time... just like you.

 

[dagnabit]

Then it would probably be a good idea for you to understand where others ACTUALLY stand on this issue.

No on 19 doesn't translate to "I don't want cannabis legalized at all".

I applaud people who don't vote for something they don't want voted in.

Celebrate whatever division you need to but know that it's not helping anyone at all.... especially when it doesn't need to be a dividing issue.

We used to be a community. Now we are cops and robbers? Cowboys and indians?

We are growers. I respect that. I put my pants on one leg at a time... just like you.

i understand the objections. i also stand to suffer financially form legalization. i look beyond my reptilian brain and self serving nature to the greater good. you will notice ive not once complained about the influx of cheap cali bud to other states,nor has price fluctuation been a concern in my discourse concerning legalization. even with the realization that cali legalizing will mean an even greater influx of cali bud and a significant reduction in my personal bottom line,i still put aside my personal best interest and support the logical next step in the progression

 

[LayedBack]

Guess what guys. To you idiots in Cali whining about how you'll lose money through legalization - WE DON'T CARE.

Fuck the Emerald triangle and the spoiled bastard "no voters" The plant is illegal. Our lives are being RUINED for using our medicine.

How does that even compare to you not getting filthy rich off of this plant? So what. We're all broke in this country, deal with it like the rest of us.

We at least deserve to be able to enjoy our medicine in peace.

When we've been taken away from our families, and forced in to a dark cold cell to live as an animal, I don't think ANY of us will be sympathizing for the people growing rich selling this plant in Cali.

Marijauna should be sold for a minimal profit to provide for the overhead cost, plus a little to take to the bank. Just like any other plant.

And YOU Cali - YES YOU - your the ones who could help us change that. Your the front line of this war. It's time to grow up, man up, and do your damn duty. Quit being selfish.

 

[TruthOrLie]

your cell was dark? i wish my cell was dark. freaking bright lights. stupid cell

 

[Thomkal Vwalaa]

it just displays the weakness of arguments for continued prohibition

TROLL! The only thing weak is your posts. You make no points other than talking shit. But keep talking cause it makes you right, LMAO