One more ''My first grow thread''

[zuma]

prowler your suggestion is highly appreciated sounds like a clean and efficient way to fill the screen, too bad i cant wait
a week or two to do it your way (time pressure). I totally hate growing on timetable! too bad i cant change it.

Just finished changing the water, i went 1-1-1 after all, in 80l of water 70-70-70/25ml EC1.3 ph 5.4

 

[tjo]

zuma turn the timer 12/12 and full the screen without stretch at all. my thought is that you dont need 2 more weeks veg because
i know the growth rates of the rdwc..
i hope this wil be the best scrog of your life.
nice ladys..the 2 of them are great..and the othes aucource but
i make my choises..

 

[ganja_hasi]

hola dude, I was pretty sure that you are going to master it they are coming really nice n healthy..I'll second tjo's opinion, switch the timer to 12/12..

all the best

 

[prowler]

zuma turn the timer 12/12 and full the screen without stretch at all. my thought is that you dont need 2 more weeks veg because
i know the growth rates of the rdwc..
i hope this wil be the best scrog of your life.
nice ladys..the 2 of them are great..and the othes aucource but
i make my choises..

I've done RDWC:s in the past and i too know how they grow but the bitches cannot be too big.

It's crucial in scrog assembly to maintain even thickness of the stems which pop out from the net. The most thickest stem overgrows others easily and you have to raise your lamp because of that. Now there is ways to control that too - but you still loose some effectiveness vs the ideal situation where you have one top in one hole of the net and the tops cover all of the netting evenly. It allows you to remove canopy under the net totally which leads you to have only class a nicely grown nugs + almost zero leaf material and popcorn. It is always better to overgrow them a little and prune any extra away.

My

When i first started growing i thought that vegging isn't so important and flipped my girls always too early. That leads to disappointments in the final figures. I do that nowadays too. If you do not work with SOGs then count your veg time always over your needs! Trust me on this.

...but time does not bend. So go ahead and filp the lights. I bet you can get really decent harvest m8! And the plants look like they love you! So good luck!



Have a nice harvest!

 

[zuma]

Hi all,

I had some problems with my internet connection, i couldn't update but i'm back.


tjo I started flowering 2 days now, hoping for the best possible results..as always. They growing really fast & looking healthy,
no matter my mistakes. Ive made a big mess with the ferts the last couple of days, but they dont seem to mind. Is it the Ak'ay so forgiving or hydro is easy?
i should do some more homework on dosage before i fuck up big

ganja_hasi i'm not sure mastering it because scrogging is a tricky thing but i will do my best. [Now that i got a bought net and all that]

Prowler lights has been flip life goes on ,girls are showing love, and everyone's happy. What do you think these plants can yield under these conditions
under 600w?

My RO filter needs maintenance, water is at EC 0.4.


I wish they shut down those Christmas lights they start getting on my nerves

 

[tjo]

very nice zuma! im jealious

for the first hydro seems like you got it!!
dont stop training and DONT let the tops go above of your screen
before the flowers start formation..
do this, if you dont want 2 loose the scrog game and with the AKs
im sure you can pull a 0,7g/w.

keep it very green

 

[prowler]

What he said!

I am terrible at estimating anything but...since you asked...
374 grams dry. No sorry ignore that. 381,8g dry!

Place your bets!

 

[erwingruber]

Listen to tjo and keep them under the net at least for the first 2 weeks of flowering , no one escapes above NO ONE.
You can let them go after 2 - 21/2 weeks .
Check @ my log the recent pics i keep them under the net only for the first week of the
12/12 and they strech 60-70 cm over the screen when my 400 Watter penetrate only the
first 30 cm .

I amfraid that they will blow up your screen you need to make the screen better.

 

[zuma]

I am doing the best i can to keep all branching under the net, the above fotos were taken before i bend them under the screen, that day.
tjo 0.7 sound perfect i wish i get it!

I amfraid that they will blow up your screen you need to make the screen better.

You got that right my friend. They are pushing up strong, yesterday i realized that my screen has been lift by the plants about 10cm. Man that was a big mistake of me and now i will pay the price, i must try fix the screen asap!!

prowler my bet is on 485.36g dry

 

[tjo]

nice bet zuma.if you do ALL in the right way then maybe you shoot the target..it is possible but DWC needs some standards if you want the best of your sustem so keep an eye in everything if you want 485g. and i bet you can do it! just do 1t

 

[zuma]

Thanks for being so positive bro. just few minutes ago i accidentally broke 2 branches trying to bend them. I think the scrog game is lost! too many branching growing as fast as this is something i was not expecting. I hope i will not brake any more and manage all that somehow.

shit man i'm adding every day about 10ml ph+ what is the deal with my ph?

 

[tjo]

shit man i'm adding every day about 10ml ph+ what is the deal with my ph?

that mean that your plants wants more food..give those bitches more until you find the right EC level and after you see the ph almost stable...if you dont have problems like me.
1-2-3 more....

 

[tjo]

I think the scrog game is lost!

nothing is lost..dont give up man.broke some if you want but
dont let them go above of the screen..this is your first dwc and i know that you surpised but if you let it now,later your problem
will be the bad penetration of the 600w because your plants
gonna be TREES. dont forget it that man.

 

[erwingruber]

First thinks first.
Do not listen tjo.
He is a bud butcher he brake buds for fun.
He is a bud assasin he break them and bend them just
to see them lying down.
Enough with the jokes.

If you fail your scrog it will be like i am loosing scrog game for second time.
Please go to my log and read from page 3 post #38 until the post that
i say that i lost my scrog game ,read my mistakes and avoid them.

My problems begin EXACTLY like yours , in every training session
i was breaking and or badly injure the best tops , i was afraid and i give up.
What i get it is a 75 cm jungle over my scrog net with my 400 watter penetrate
only the first 30 cm of the canopy.

After my failed scrog i will sugest you the following.
- Get 4 pieces of wood and make a GOOD strudy screen
- Raise your screen 10 - 15 cm from where it is now
- keep them BELOW the screen
- if you feel that you are going to broke the top supecrop her
(ask tjo or read the sticky)
- do not give up now it is tooo early

 

[prowler]

Shieeet! Training skills grow within experience. There are many ways to keep your tops under the net.

Firstly you can bend the tops with a technique called pinching. Tutorial here.

Then there is super cropping which stalls your vertical growth. Tutorial here.

Difference between those? Maybe none but super cropped tops are meant to start growing upwards again - pinched not(?).

If you brake your stem don't panic. It happens to all of us - just a little less when you gain experience. Just use some sticks and tape or iron wire or anything you can to support the broken stem and it will heal itself. Sometimes the game isn't lost even when you break it to two parts. If you manage to connect both sides so that the top still manages to diffuse water from the roots it will heal. <- period.

AND

When you rub the stems before twisting they soften and twist easier. When you bend your stems hard core do not bend them at once to desired location. Just tighten the bend every day or two and it will bend.

And it most certainly is wise to keep your plants under the net for the stretch period if you do not have even canopy with even sized stems before you flip the lights. After the stretch remove net and start tying every branch to form an even canopy. It is easy as (NO SWEARING HERE!). Just plan carefully where you want your tops. Smaller in the middle and larger to outer side as they will continue to grow uneven even after stretch. And best nugs are always a bit off the center of the light.

 

[zuma]

tjo that's it man!! i add-up more food and ph is starting to stabilize. today will be the first day after some time that i'll not add any ph+
My EC is at 1.4 and they look like they can take some more, ph is at 5.6 it only fell 0.2 since yesterday. I am going to hang the 600w one
of these days, i am just waiting for the weather to chill a little more.

First thinks first.
Do not listen tjo.
He is a bud butcher he brake buds for fun.
He is a bud assasin he break them and bend them just
to see them lying down.

i agree i probably should

erwingruber i think you lost yours at the very begging, for now i am going to do what i have to but if they get out of control i will
let them go, cross my fingers, and hope for the best.
I got wood today! i need fix a proper screen because ive been worried about it for 2 days now, i will try to replace it tomorrow. Why do you
think is better to lift 10cm the new screen? Do you think i'm too low?



prowler thanks for the nice videos man i am familiar with supercrop, pinching i didn't know.
This is my 4th scrog but first time i break stems i dont mean cracked, i mean detached. fell on the floor, so no chance of healing there.

I didn't know either that i can remove the net after the stretch period, it sounds complicated.. in my case anyway, because their is no place to
tie them to. I have the cover below the plants that will not allow ropes etc.

:friends:

 

[tjo]

tjo that's it man!! i add-up more food and ph is starting to stabilize. today will be the first day after some time that i'll not add any ph+
My EC is at 1.4 and they look like they can take some more, ph is at 5.6 it only fell 0.2 since yesterday. I am going to hang the 600w one
of these days, i am just waiting for the weather to chill a little more.

raise it little by little..and find the ideal man.my bet for your ideal ec is 1,8-2,.
amazing leave..is xxxlarge
im imprest and...respect

 

[prowler]

...You are propably starting to get pissed because i'm running my mouth here every day but i have to say two things:

1st being: You ain't got shit to worry with that canopy!

2nd: Remember that it is better to underfeed than overfeed - so if they don't need more juice don't give it. After the stretch when buds start really to form you can slam them with K and a little P but if you burn your tips you gave them too much (just like me on my grow ).

One friend who was teaching me to grow used to slam the plants with higher EC and was able to drive them with numbers over 2,2-2,5 even 3 - now that is a lot! I personally don't believe that plants grow better this way. (SIDE NOTE: Firefox spelling corrections has improved my written English a lot - good sh*t).

But it is good to know how you can do this. You just have to change your reservoir more often. It might be useful when you run different strains in same reservoir (some look underfed and others don't take so much nutrients). And if you someday want to try if it makes any difference to you.

So you're about to change your reservoir and say your EC is 1.2. Now up it ~0,3-0,5 for a day. Empty your res and run it with plain water for a day. After this rise your EC to let's say 1.4. Now monitor your plants really close to see if they can take it - if not drop the EC. If they take 1.4 do the same next week and rise it to ~1.6-1.7...and again.and again... And this is for vegetative stage. When in bloom you are able to run at least EC 2.0. Plants learn how to get used to higher EC numbers. And to remind you if EC stays the same then plants are taking water and nutes in the same ratio. If EC rises then they enjoy more water than nutes.

There you've got it. But still remember that it is better to underfeed than overfeed

 

[zuma]

tjo them leaves are BIG! fotos dont do them justice. The back left plant has larger fan leaves than this one from the front left.

Hi prowler
First things first, im not getting pissed, no way, i told you all your help is is most welcome here. feeling the love?

I think your friend knows what he's doing, i see a lot of growers using higher EC and most of them plants are trees with obese buds.
To tell you the truth i'm seriously considering going up to 2.5 just to test them...and then reason comes into play.

So you're about to change your reservoir and say your EC is 1.2. Now up it ~0,3-0,5 for a day. Empty your res and run it with plain water for a day. After this rise your EC to let's say 1.4. Now monitor your plants really close to see if they can take it - if not drop the EC. If they take 1.4 do the same next week and rise it to ~1.6-1.7...and again.and again... And this is for vegetative stage.

Bro i'm done vegging. I suppose it is for future reference right? It is easy to do no doubt. How about the results, is it worthy
i mean will i have better results compare to this grow?
For now my EC @ 1.7 and one plant has yellow tips on the small leaves, but the rest are asking for more. How do you deal with this drama?

I made a nice and proper screen but there is no way replacing it without doing some major damage, i am still thinking how to.
I should better come to terms that i cant use it..

 

[erwingruber]

Hello zuma you are going fine there , to remove the old screen you can use a shears and cut it everywhere i mean you can make 20-30 cuts where ever is needed to remove your net
in small parts even if you must remove it in 20 or 30 parts little by little.
Before you place you new scrog net visualize tha outcome you want and drive the bigger top to the outside of your canopy.

How long are you going to flower those AK's ?
Do you have any plan or you are going to harvest by amber/cloud trichs .

Keep up.