i never said i had experience in coco. and these aren't random threads, one of those threads is a forum sticky, set that way by the forum administrators.
so i suppose your calling the forum admins inexperienced as well???
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i never said i had experience in coco. and these aren't random threads, one of those threads is a forum sticky, set that way by the forum administrators.
so i suppose your calling the forum admins inexperienced as well???
man, you are really hostile
i may not have experience with coco but i do a lot of reading, i dont just read random threads on here, i started by reading the sticky threads in the coco forum. which tell you to use ph of 5.8-6.0 and never let the coco dry out. if i cant trust a sticky thread, im certainly not going to trust what you say either
buddin_904
Member
im not hostile in anyway.....im just saying...without experience with coco grows the advice your spouting out here should be recognized as coming from a person who has little 2 no experience in the coco business...thats all im saying....
and to negate that you shoudlnt let coco dry out is a misconception too....many people here like/prefer to let their coco dry out and their pictures prove it is far acceptable.....
i personally choose to use very small pots with mulitple irrigations throughout the day....so yes in some parts of the day my pots are a bit 'dried' out...other parts of the day they are at peak water holding capacity....all im sayin is get some coco grows done and you see that not everything you read on here is the exact right way to go...then you can throw out your personal experiences with your coco grows, of which i WOULD be intrested in reading.....
and to negate that you shoudlnt let coco dry out is a misconception too....many people here like/prefer to let their coco dry out and their pictures prove it is far acceptable.....
i personally choose to use very small pots with mulitple irrigations throughout the day....so yes in some parts of the day my pots are a bit 'dried' out...other parts of the day they are at peak water holding capacity....all im sayin is get some coco grows done and you see that not everything you read on here is the exact right way to go...then you can throw out your personal experiences with your coco grows, of which i WOULD be intrested in reading.....
Buddin are ya kidding? I set my nutes 5.3-5.5 in coco and have great results, only let it rise above 5.8 toward the end to let them eat up there reserve nitrogen and nutes in the end so they'll turn color and burn clean. As far as ya saying 5.5 will lead to problems your trippin, especially saying you'll have cal & mag lock out. 5.3-5.5 is when the plants can take in the most cal and mag. There is a reason you have 1 rep/karma with 759 posts, your info is wack! Your right about coco prep, other than that, all I can say is wow. Get over yourself. ph will slowly rise, unless there is problems in the root zone. You want it to fluctuate so they have a chance to get everything they need. Brotha, Ive ran this way start to finish without rez changes, only adjusting ph when topping off and I can tell you with confidence it works and works good. Peace, pot and karma. One Love
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If ya want results like this listen to Buddin 904
Bud Spleefman
Member
Wash the COCO!
REPEAT!
REPEAT!
lol bro, its not like im just making this stuff up. everything i said in this thread is from the sticky in the coco forum. and you can't possibly tell if coco is wet or dry from pictures, maybe if the surface is dry, but there's most likely moisture under the surface of the coco.
buddin_904
Member
Buddin are ya kidding? I set my nutes 5.3-5.5 in coco and have great results, only let it rise above 5.8 toward the end to let them eat up there reserve nitrogen and nutes in the end so they'll turn color and burn clean. As far as ya saying 5.5 will lead to problems your trippin, especially saying you'll have cal & mag lock out. 5.3-5.5 is when the plants can take in the most cal and mag. There is a reason you have 1 rep/karma with 759 posts, your info is wack! Your right about coco prep, other than that, all I can say is wow. Get over yourself. ph will slowly rise, unless there is problems in the root zone. You want it to fluctuate so they have a chance to get everything they need. Brotha, Ive ran this way start to finish without rez changes, only adjusting ph when topping off and I can tell you with confidence it works and works good. Peace, pot and karma. One Love
5.3-5.5 is when the most mag is absorbed???? wtf are you on???
1st of all your little availability chart isnt accurate..... AND were talking about coco arent we??? not soil!?!? so wow cool picture???
im done talking with you dongs about this pH discussion...because its quite futile to get someone to understand fact....not opinion....."5.3 is when the most mag is absorbed" LOLOLOL!!!!
and wow buddy congrats on your karma...im sure you kissed a lot of ass to posters amatuer plants to develop such a high reputation!!! this is an indication of nothing....go "try" and brag to some newbie who doesnt no his thumb from his ass.....
the only part i agree with about any of you is that pH fluxuation is a good thing...yes i can provide better availibility of certain elements being at certain far pH ranges.....i was stating that 6.0 is the magic # (being that, at 6, you wont have any problems with any elements availibiltiy, given your profiles arent out of wack) to say you pH at 5.3 the whole time you might as well cut your dick off and stick it in your mouth because im done listening to your incorrect rant....
buddin_904
Member
i no your not "making this up"...yes i no you didnt completely fabricate this like some complusive liar....i realize this....ON THE OTHER HAND....youve admitted to 0 experience in coco....and yet ok!!! youve read a lot of stickeys!!!! OK!?!?! because something is a sticky means its the bible and that every post therein is fact????
sorry captain obvious...this isnt the case........maybe when you develop some problems in your 1st coco run considering you followed a sticky like a book youll understand what im talking about....until then i think you should hold off posting advice until you have developed personal experience in this medium
and why dont you do a bit of searching and find the very successful users who state they water once a day or sometimes less.....LETTING THEIR COCO DRY OUT....i wasnt speaking of my visual commentary of the look of their pots numnuts...i was speaking of their own advice.....its hard for you to comprehend a lot of stuff throughout life huh???
just stop talking about coco in general, unless your asking questions, until you get a couple runs done...LOL thanks!
Peace, pot and karma. One Love
buddin_904
Member
peace!....time to move on from this nonsense....i dont really care for the arguements to tell you the trust so sorry for starting any bad beef.....im just here to learn from the very experienced and occasionally throw in some input that im sure off that ive learned from experience.....so hopefully no bad beef here anymore.....
Incognegro
Member
Yes, ph fluctuations in good and is recommended IMO. It's not good for you ph to stay static throughout an entire grow, which I know many people have/do.
I think you guys need to learn how to discuss stuff without calling names and flaming...good info is almost always lost when immaturity rears its ugly head.
I think you guys need to learn how to discuss stuff without calling names and flaming...good info is almost always lost when immaturity rears its ugly head.
if your hydro/soilless, wouldnt a pH of 5-5.5 be best according to that chart? best for all nutrients,not mag. but if you feed a ph of 6.5 liek you say, according to that chart you'll be reducing the amount of micros which can be absorbed, wont you?
The right side of the chart is hydro which is how most of us treat coco. This chart is as close as charts get, there is a chart being spread around that is wrong this one is right. Let dude figure it out the hard way, he knows everything. I am always learning and done some reading to see if there was anything to what budden was saying, there isn't. I learned my methods from the big boys, not nutrient company's or know it all's, real commercial medical growers. I stick to my posts. The ph rises, when I top off I keep it below 5.8 usually like I have mentioned 5.3-5.5. I only top off every 7-10 days, sometimes its as high as 5.8-6 before adjusting and that's what I want it to do, fluctuate. By setting it back down I give it a chance to cycle through again and get everything they need. The problem with 5.8-6 is if ya don't check it every day it can rise above 6.2 which is were problems start. Between 5.2 and 6.2 works, I however want better results then it just working. Peace, pot and karma. One Love
I now understand why those Ive learned from don't try to help any more, why share solid info when the result is insults. I think Ill probably fade in to the back ground and produce the best of the best. No reason to argue with those that refuse to learn.
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Mitch Connor
I learned my methods from the big boys, not nutrient company's or know it all's, real commercial medical growers.
I now understand why those Ive learned from don't try to help any more, why share solid info when the result is insults. I think Ill probably fade in to the back ground and produce the best of the best. No reason to argue with those that refuse to learn.
Needed to quote this because of how true it is..
Even if it's not 100% CORRECT LAB STUDY DOCUMENTED, any sound information should be civilly debated. This is a forum.. Not a circus..
**Wow... Just read all of buddins posts (blocked him)..
In case you do decide to peek your little head in this thread again, even though you say you're done..
I think you should seriously consider seeking help... Using the internet for a place to vent your underlying mental issues? Protruding YOUR OWN negative characteristics through your posts, then calling me delusional?
Clearly something terribly wrong messed you up, and I feel sorry that it happened, but please.. For your sake... Don't go outside and talk to people like that. You will die an early death...
Or perhaps that's what you want? Who could go on living with so much anger?
Take care man. Really... I hope you do.
buddin_904
Member
a pH of 5 wouldnt no be the best.....hydro growers, myself included, dont even use a pH of 5....this is outrageous!!!!
at pH 5 phosphorus has little 2 none availibility so the chart on the left is valid in that aspect.....
2ndly...i didnt say pH at 6.5....i said pH at 6 in coco....and you mention that the micros would suffer from availibility...well there are inorganic molecules called chelates whose purpose is to claw micronutes and make them still available.....
point in turn....id run a pH of 6.5 in coco WAYYYYY before id ever dream of running a pH of 5.5.....
and the "mag is best absorpted at pH 5.3" LOL it doesnt get much funnier than this...this is the most outrageous statement ive read thus far!!! go ahead and pH at 5.3 and watch those leave tips curl up and die within days.....LOLOLOL
Here is what I end up with by setting my ph to 5.3-5.5 and let it rise between top off.
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I only wish I had more and finish pics from this run, there wasn't so much as a burnt tip. I haven't took many pic's for a while due to a much needed move and security.
Peace, pot and karma. One Love
buddin_904
Member
yes i concur that your plants look amazing...thats a no brainer to admit....and i understand that you like to set your pH low and let it rise...what do u let it rise to???....in reality if some newb comes on here and sees "ohhh they said to set your ph to 5.3" OK thats what ill do...theyll undoubtably run into problems....so for people without rezs who mix on the spot....isnt it fiar to say that you dont recommend pHing to 5.3 or even 5.5 for that matter....for those people i want to clairify that that they should pH at 6.0....considering they have no drift....this is where i was coming from with my "magic #" of 6 good for all.....
ohh and the mag best a 5.3....this for a fact is not correct....u realize that at the upper end of your drift is where the mag and P is actually getting uptaked right?????
and scurred....just because someone posts 1 chart does that mean it is the end all definition of pH / nute availibility.....if 1 person tells you god is real, does that mean god is real....LOL DO YOU SEE MY POINT HERE!?
ohh and the mag best a 5.3....this for a fact is not correct....u realize that at the upper end of your drift is where the mag and P is actually getting uptaked right?????
and scurred....just because someone posts 1 chart does that mean it is the end all definition of pH / nute availibility.....if 1 person tells you god is real, does that mean god is real....LOL DO YOU SEE MY POINT HERE!?
Please don't get trolled away.
Please don't get trolled away.
Haters gonna hate and kidz will be kidz, yah?
That's what the ignore function is for.
I do appreciate intelligent, well crafted information, so please stick around.
Best favor a person can do for me is to correct me for an erroneous assumption that might damage my girls.
When you read something that challenges your present conclusions you research, just in case, then gently attempt to correct the erring party.
Could use a lot more like you.
A calm and rational response un-funds those with poor impulse control.
And, for every troll with a oneway brain there are many, many lurkers/readers that will benefit from our reasoned responses and subsequent exchanges of information.
Most can clearly see which "belief" is more rational.
So please stay active.
You write it, I'll read it.
If I disagree, we discuss.
Aloha and mahalo.
Weezard
Please don't get trolled away.
The right side of the chart is hydro which is how most of us treat coco. This chart is as close as charts get, there is a chart being spread around that is wrong this one is right. Let dude figure it out the hard way, he knows everything. I am always learning and done some reading to see if there was anything to what budden was saying, there isn't. I learned my methods from the big boys, not nutrient company's or know it all's, real commercial medical growers. I stick to my posts. The ph rises, when I top off I keep it below 5.8 usually like I have mentioned 5.3-5.5. I only top off every 7-10 days, sometimes its as high as 5.8-6 before adjusting and that's what I want it to do, fluctuate. By setting it back down I give it a chance to cycle through again and get everything they need. The problem with 5.8-6 is if ya don't check it every day it can rise above 6.2 which is were problems start. Between 5.2 and 6.2 works, I however want better results then it just working. Peace, pot and karma. One Love
I now understand why those Ive learned from don't try to help any more, why share solid info when the result is insults. I think Ill probably fade in to the back ground and produce the best of the best. No reason to argue with those that refuse to learn.
Haters gonna hate and kidz will be kidz, yah?
That's what the ignore function is for.
I do appreciate intelligent, well crafted information, so please stick around.
Best favor a person can do for me is to correct me for an erroneous assumption that might damage my girls.
When you read something that challenges your present conclusions you research, just in case, then gently attempt to correct the erring party.
Could use a lot more like you.
A calm and rational response un-funds those with poor impulse control.
And, for every troll with a oneway brain there are many, many lurkers/readers that will benefit from our reasoned responses and subsequent exchanges of information.
Most can clearly see which "belief" is more rational.
So please stay active.
You write it, I'll read it.
If I disagree, we discuss.
Aloha and mahalo.
Weezard
time to stop bickering, there are many way to skin a cat, same goes for growing some bud in coco. just because the way you do things works for you doesn't not mean it is the only right way or the only way that works for everyone else. the plants we are growing can adapt to many different circumstances and still produce nice buds at the end.
what ever differing opinions people have, kindly discuss them in a civil manner. there is no need to get all emotional and or offended, just state your views and be done with it. personal attacks have nothing to offer the coco forum.
peace out
what ever differing opinions people have, kindly discuss them in a civil manner. there is no need to get all emotional and or offended, just state your views and be done with it. personal attacks have nothing to offer the coco forum.
peace out
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