Marijuana House Mafia (Perpetual 800W~Vertical) - [1#Crop - in progress]

[And1M]

puff puff, pass

 

[staff11]

Yeah Well it doesn't look like the defoliation has done it's job with this strain. They look a bit leggy, when in fact they should be a bit bushier. Not so sure if this is what you are after with defoliation. They look healthy, just a bit spindly.

 

[Bob-Hope]

I agree with staff11. when i did defoliation i removed the upper 2 pairs to stop upward growth,and make the plant bush out,

Also on my next round of defoliation,i removed the upper 2 pairs as i did in the last round.

But this time left the lower fan leafs on the plant,after a discussion with a pal,about root growth/production.

This proved to be very good advice.

BoB

 

[VerdantGreen]

i reckon a month more veg will be too much for those plants - if you are determined to veg them that long then you may like to consider some lst to keep the height down - and you may need another repot before flowering as they will probably be rootbound by then

they do look healthy though which is good

VG

 

[And1M]

Yeah Well it doesn't look like the defoliation has done it's job with this strain. They look a bit leggy, when in fact they should be a bit bushier. Not so sure if this is what you are after with defoliation. They look healthy, just a bit spindly.

Hey staff11. Actually, we did the defoliating because we wanted better/faster side-branch development, and it worked like a charm. Without the fan leaves stopping the light from reaching them, they developed like crazy which allowed us to take a total of 52 cuttings from 14 seed plants a couple of months old.
Here is a pic of one of those moms, topped now, with 6 side-branches still developing below the topping and we could still take the cuttings from them if we needed.



So it is my opinion that the defoliating worked in the way we wanted it to, we're not that concerned about height because we our height limit is 200cm.
Also, because we'll be doing vertical lighting in flowering, we want those side branches really developed so we can then produce big buds in flowering with the light penetrating side-ways

i reckon a month more veg will be too much for those plants - if you are determined to veg them that long then you may like to consider some lst to keep the height down - and you may need another repot before flowering as they will probably be rootbound by then

they do look healthy though which is good

VG

Thanks for visiting, VerdantGreen
We stated a few posts ago that they'll be repotted to 11L pots some days before flipping and we'll use a seaweed bacterial compound to boost root growth at that point, so that when they do flower, they are really robust and prepared to fill up with some really dense nugs

I'll leave another pic so you get the idea. We have only 2 developing fan leaves, all the rest has been trimmed out.



Peace

 

[VerdantGreen]

sounds good.

personally i would say that topping the plants is more likely to have encouraged the sidebranching than the defol. initially a sidebranch's primary source of energy is actually the fan leaf at that node - which you removed. im no expert on defol but as i understand it the main reason to do it in veg is to slow the vertical growth and reduce the length of the internodals (the distance between leaf pairs).

looking forward to seeing these flower

VG

 

[redspaghetti]

Hey guys, nice grows ya got there

i am with the guys above, take it easy on the defoliation with your gals if this is your first time, many strains responds differently with this technique so make sure you KNOW your strains well before working on them..


basically you're tradinging one thing for another, i hope you know what hehee

the pics below include many different strains but they all respond pretty much the same with the technique , they should be bushier as well so learn your strains first, good luck with the grow

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cheers,
red.

 

[And1M]

sounds good.

personally i would say that topping the plants is more likely to have encouraged the sidebranching than the defol. initially a sidebranch's primary source of energy is actually the fan leaf at that node - which you removed. im no expert on defol but as i understand it the main reason to do it in veg is to slow the vertical growth and reduce the length of the internodals (the distance between leaf pairs).

looking forward to seeing these flower

VG

Hey guys, nice grows ya got there

i am with the guys above, take it easy on the defoliation with your gals if this is your first time, many strains responds differently with this technique so make sure you KNOW your strains well before working on them..


basically you're tradinging one thing for another, i hope you know what hehee

the pics below include many different strains but they all respond pretty much the same with the technique , they should be bushier as well so learn your strains first, good luck with the grow


cheers,
red.

1st of all I wanna say that redspaghetti owns vertical I wish it runs as good for us as it has been running for you

OK so, out of our 18 initial seeds, only ONE has EXTREMELY short internode space and it's one of the 4 we didn't take cuttings from.

Here's a pic:


(Northern Lights Seed#6)


This NL was 19cm tall on day 40 and is now 23cm to the top. Notice no topping was done here.

Now this pic is from another Northern Lights plant that was germinated the very same day NL#6 was and no topping was done on it either, just the same hard-core defoliating.


(Northern Lights Seed#2)

As you can see it has much better developed side-branches than #6 and it is now 37cm tall.

Side-by-side view

(Left - Northern Lights #2, Right - Northern Lights #6)

Top View

(Left - Northern Lights #6, Right - Northern Lights #2)

So I guess the pheno is better on NL#2 and the defoliating is treating it nicely I suppose. At least it looks good

Now let's compare Northern Lights #2 (not topped) with Northern Lights #5 (topped).


(Northern Lights #5)



(Northern Lights #5 topped)

We took 4 clones (I believe) from the lower branches, but today it is still 37cm tall, which is the same height as NL#2, but this one was topped and was 29cm tall on day 40 when NL#2 was only 25cm tall.

Here's a side-by-side view of both


(Left - Northern Lights #2, Right - Northern Lights #5)

And a top view

(Left - Northern Lights #2, Right - Northern Lights #5)

This plant was topped about a week ago, which was when we topped most of our plants (exception: 2 blackjacks which stretched like crazy and we had to top them sooner).

So from my observations on this grow with defoliation and previous grow experience without it, I can be certain that 2 things would have occurred had we not defoliated our plants:

1) We wouldn't have even half of the side-branch development we had with defoliating;
2) There would be no way we'd be able to fit 18 2 month old plants on that cabinet.

For now, I think defoliation has been really handy for us. We will do our last round 1 week before flowering and then let them grow for a couple of weeks into flowering and only then will we defoliate again

Sorry for the lengthy post

Stan

 

[And1M]

Hi there!
A small update for the curious

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[AGPUMPKIN]

Nice ! Where did you pick up the Counter ?

And you really cooking with the big tent and light now !! Can't wait to see what happens

What is the brand name of your timer?

 

[CFL_Grow]

After watching your video i would suggest some airflow. Maybe it's me but i keep an oscillating fan blowing on the canopy, to the point the leaves dance when it sweeps across.

Plants look healthy.

 

[And1M]

Hey CFL_Grow thanks for stopping by

Actually shortly after posting the video we noticed the temps going up so we connected the intake from outside air (winter time here) directly into the flowering cabinet. What happened then was extreme temp drops at night even if the fan was off at night cause the pressure difference created airflow from outside into the cabinet.

Now we just got the intake fan on the floor but it doesn't matter anyway because in a week the big room will be coming so instead of 4 plants it'll be 18 plants flowering

BTW, we changed from 2,40x1,20x2,00m to 1,20x1,20x2,00m due to budget issues but we intend to buy another one just like that one as soon as possible so we'll still get 2,88 sq meters of area anyway.

For now they will flower with the 400W HPS but for Christmas they're getting a 90,000 lumen 600W HPS

Sorry if the post is confusing I'm a bit stoned right now

See ya,

Stan

 

[BoomBoom]

Nice clean work so far! Can't wait to see what happens in flower.

 

[riftleft]

nice work you have done here! I cant w8 to see all that lady's in flower

I wish big bud's & to all happy holidays

 

[And1M]

Thanks everyone !
Next week finally all the plants will pass to flower soo stay tuned :yay:

 

[And1M]

The latest update

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We have only 6 clones vegging right now but we still have 22 more rooting, the rest have perished unfortunately. We will be watching the next clones batch a bit closer to improve our success rate! Thanks for watching

 

[CFL_Grow]

Looking good ! Cloning is my next step. You have 6 to root so far so that is sucess ! Keep it up mate, doing great.

 

[Wolv]

Lovely room...can't wait for see flow

 

[Tarus Bulbar]

Thanks for the video update bro!!
Alot easier for us to see whats really
goin on when we get the 360 view!!!
Looks Great bro
Cheers!!

 

[And1M]

Hey Greenadian!
thankz man i also thought that.. It's easier for everyone! But when the crystals begin to appear is mandatory macros ahah