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joe fresh

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Satan, I think Joe must run aircooled hoods to be able to get away with that amount of AC - 3.6 per is kind of pushing it, especially when you take into account CO2 generators, chillers, etc. that all add to the heat load.

Also the fact that your ballasts will be in your grow space will add to the heat load as well, especially if they're magnetic ballasts.

A ton is 12KBTUs of cooling, so no, a 2 ton would come nowhere near what you need.

No, that link isn't what you want - that looks to be a central AC unit, which has an air handler - you'd have to install ducting and vents to properly disperse that.

If you wanted to do all of that, then I'd assume it could work for you (I'm not an HVAC guy), although 3.5 tons is borderline for being able to keep your space cool - there'd be no worse feeling than taking the time to install all that and find you can't get your space cool enough.

With your unit being out in the open and exposed to direct sunlight in the summer, I'd say 4.5BTUs per 1K is as low as you could possibly hope to go.

EDIT: something like the link below would be better for your needs, although you could get away with a dual zone 4 ton mini - another thing to make sure (depending on your climate) is that the mini is designed to work in cold temps, as many will freeze if running during the winter time:

http://cgi.ebay.com/4-Ton-4-Zone-Mi...852153?pt=Air_Conditioner&hash=item20b2de1479


no bob....open batwing hoods...and 3500btu of cooling per 1000w is good if using co2, if not using co2 2800btu of cooling per 1000w is sufficient.....here is a quote from bchardcore

full story here

part1- http://www.cannabisculture.com/articles/3268.html

part2- http://www.cannabisculture.com/articles/3368.html

Air conditioning

Obviously, large commercial grow rooms depend on industrial-strength air conditioning (A/C) units.

Hardcore says it's relatively easy to calculate A/C needs. Air conditioners are rated by a "BTU" cooling capacity per ton; they are rated at 12,000 BTUs for every ton of cooling capacity. Each 1,000-watt HPS light in a CO2-augmented room requires about 3,500 BTUs of cooling to maintain a target ideal growing temperature of 78?F (25?C). For every 1,000-watt light in a non-CO2 grow room, growers need about 2,800 BTUs of cooling capacity.

These formulas can be downsized by 10% if light ballasts and CO2 generators are located in a central room outside the grow room.

In some commercial houses, growers use five-ton water-cooled air conditioners; a five-ton A/C unit provides 60,000 BTUs of cooling.

Other growers use "split" air conditioners that have a compressor outdoors and the cooling A-frame indoors. An A-frame split air conditioner uses air to cool the Freon and compressor, while water-cooled air conditioners use water for this task.

Water-cooled units are less noisy: they don't have a fan and compressor running outside the grow house, as often occurs with a split five-ton. Water-cooled air conditioners use five gallons of water per minute, so people who rely on wells or other insufficient water supplies can easily run out of water.

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Water companies monitor usage on behalf of drug warriors, and even if drug warriors aren't monitoring water usage, the water bill can be very large. That's why commercial growers often use above-ground swimming pools to store and recirculate water for water-cooled units. Some growers also lower their water bills by drilling holes in the water-measuring paddles of water meters.

The water-cooled A/C preferred by Hardcore is an "active" system that uses a compressor and Freon. So-called "passive" systems cool by running water through a coil that air is blown over, and they are less expensive to use.

For every three 1,000-watt lights, growers should use one 16-inch oscillating fan. Along with the obvious benefits of increased air circulation, fans blowing on plants will force thicker stalk development, which will create better nutrient circulation, healthier plants, and increased yield.

In some circumstances, it might be necessary to pull moisture out of the air to maintain ideal humidity between 40-50%. Dehumidifiers with drain systems offer one solution, but Hardcore prefers to outfit his air conditioner units so they also function as dehumidifiers.

He installs a heater core in an A-frame cooler inside the grow room. As the A-frame air conditioner runs it dehumidifies the room and is also cooling the room at the same time. The heating core is necessary because the cooling unit will keep on cooling as it dehumidifies, which can drop room temperature below 78?F (25?C). The heating core boosts temperature back up to 78?F (25?C) and also helps dehumidify rooms more efficiently because warmer air holds more moisture.
 
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Bob Smith

no bob....open batwing hoods...and 3500btu of cooling per 1000w is good if using co2, if not using co2 2800btu of cooling per 1000w is sufficient.....here is a quote from bchardcore

Exactly; assuming he's going to be using CO2 (he will), he's gonna need at least 3500BTUs; when you add in the additional chillers, electronics, etc. that is required for running RDWC (basically just a "fudge factor"), that number creeps up more towards 4000BTUs.

When you include the fact that it's a shed that gets direct sunlight in the middle of the summer, I'd definitely err on the side of 4500BTUs if not closer to 5000BTUs - again, there's no worse feeling than taking the time and money to install a large and expensive AC unit and figure out (too late) that it's not large enough.

Every setup is different and while rules of thumb are useful for ballpark estimates, you've gotta take into account a whole myriad of factors for your specific grow.
 

Satans pal

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I really appreciate all the info about the a/c guys, very informative:) So.....As cost is kinda becoming an issue I was wondering what you guys thought about these 24,000 btu window units.

http://cgi.ebay.com/LG-LWHD2400HR-2...Conditioner&hash=item255d7ddb77#ht_3660wt_907


Here are the latest pics after todays work, and the electricians will be here in the morning. Tomorrow night I will post pics of the box with timer. I will have one timer for all ten lights or how ever many I am running. Should be pretty sweet :)





 

Gooey

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Nice, i have a 25,000 btu...love it works fine to cool 6k easy....get one for just over 550....great value...room looks nice...peace
 
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DHF

Make sure if yas use wall banger a/c`s that yas buy the one`s with "auto restart" in case of power outages........

Nuthin worse than comin to the show and the girls are fried from lights comin back on but not the cooling units......

Believe me.....it happens.....Hope that storage shed`s well insulated , cuz 4000 btu`s per 1KW won`t EVEN help if it`s 100+ outside and inside too......

Good luck....DHF.......
 

Satans pal

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Alright, well here is the electrical pics as promised. Like I said before, they ran all the 220v sockets (10 sockets on 5 circuit breakers) and 4 110v sockets for supplemental(florescent lights) all on the same timer. They also installed a 50amp dryer outlet so I can add a 8 light control box if I want to run more thousand's.

The rest of the room will be sealed by mon night and paint can start on tues (I hope) then a/c by sun. And if all goes well, plants by the 29th. We shall see.............Here you go







 

Satans pal

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Well its been snowing here enough to stick so I turned the heater on in the shed to see how it would do and I am pleasantly surprised. It went from like 47* to 68* in abour 1 - 1 1/2 hours and no change to the snow on the roof. I guess the insulation and vapor barrier worked. :dance013:

Here you go........



 

mdk ktm

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glad its coming together nicely... Will a window a/c freeze up on the cold days? And are you going to make a separate veg room inside there? I'm assuming that's what the fluorescent lights would be for. Cant wait to see that baby filled with some nice looking ladies...

What type of growing medium/hydro are you using again?
 

Satans pal

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Ok so this is really about the coldest it gets at night. I havent seen much colder than 22* and I have never had to run A/C when its that cold :) I plan to build covers over the a/c units on the outside, just two sides and a top, hope it will help with noise too.

No I will not be separating the room. Was going to do that from the start but since I can get clones/plants from another house we/I decided to make this just one big flower room.

Right now I am just going to start with 12-15 3' plants in soil so I can dial the room in. Then I will be on here asking advice about a hydro setup of some kind. Wether it be buckets or some kind of stadium grow I am not sure. Just as long as I can achieve maximum yield.

Thanks, SP
 
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TurboDog

I know where you are its legal, but I hope you still got cool neighbors because nose neighbors might notice the AC cooling the "storage shed" all the time. Its pretty much a dead give away. Great set up, just be careful as ou don;t want some jack asses making stuff difficult.
 

Satans pal

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Hey Turbo Thanks for the advice. My neighbors are really cool, they are in their 70's and give me cookies every christmas. As far as the a/c goes, the lights will be running at night, so it will be while they are asleep. Plus there is a 4' space between the shed and their fence which is toward their back yard away from the house. Also, I am going to half box the a/c units to help with freezing and noise. Thanks again, SP
 

Satans pal

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So I guess numboard changed his post before I could respond. He said he knew where this place was and had walked by thinking it would be a good grow room. I just wanted to tell him to stop by and say high :smoweed:
 
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Bob Smith

Lol..........room is coming together nicely, dude.

Question - is there some knd of divider between the door and the the room, or more accurately, will there be? You really don't want to open that door at night and have the smell of weed and oodles of light coming through that doorway.
 

Satans pal

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Lol..........room is coming together nicely, dude.

Question - is there some knd of divider between the door and the the room, or more accurately, will there be? You really don't want to open that door at night and have the smell of weed and oodles of light coming through that doorway.

Thanks Bob, no there will be no wall or other door. I plan on putting either a tarp or large canvas about 6" back from the door and hang it from the ceiling. That should take care of the light issue and hopefully the smell will not be an issue since there is nobody close to my shed. Also plan on doing a 8" vortex on top of a large scrubber per your comment about it for recirc. Thanks for the concern :tiphat:

So the hot and cold water are plumed and the rest of room is being sealed. Hopefully paint tomorrow and will order a/c then also.

Later, SP
 

Satans pal

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Quick update.......The inside has been pretty much done except for caulking the wall to floor and paint. I have some dead time for about 1-2 weeks due to waiting for my a/c units :( Already have lights, co2 tank and control head(will need some advice on how often to run tank since it is a sealed room), need to get the wall fans, dehumidifier and a utility sink.

Anything else you guys can think of that I have missed would be great. Really just want to make this as close to a perfect environment as possible. I have grown in Phoenix and now in the northwest, and have always done battle trying to keep temps and humidity where they need to be. Hopefully this will be different.

Here are some pics of the seal job and hot/cold waterlines..........















Thanks guys, really appreciate it, SP
 
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Bob Smith

Hey SP - what kind of ACs did you decide on?

And with all the work you've put into this, it'd be a shame (IMO) to not spend another $5-600 bucks on a reasonable environmental controller to handle all your nice gadgets - I love my Sentinel CHHC-1, but there are a number of reasonably priced controllers that do the same - control dehueys, CO2, AC, and heater (although controlling your ACs through the Sentinel might require some sort of relay because of their high amperage).
 

Satans pal

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I went with two 24,000 window units. I know, I know, but the cost is starting to kill. The controller will probably come in a bit, I have someone that I know that doesn't really use theirs, so I am going to try and get it. I already have the heater set up on a t-stat and during our 8* weather the room stayed at 75* with no prob. Just ordered 7 wall fans for circulation today and should have everything ready to finish in a week or two. I will try to get a pic of the 12 3' girls I will be putting in there later today.

The A/C units have their own t-stats and an auto restart function. So as far as the temps go, hopefully it wont be an issue.

just out of curiosity, about how much you think your power bill will be when you are up and going?

By the way, how big a dehuey do you think for this?

As always, thanks, SP
 

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