Growall- no interest for this? I am dreaming of maximum yield.

[MrBudder]

That's 169 plants with this setup. Let's say you'll yield at least 15 grams per plant, that's 2500 grams. If you get let's say 25 gram per plant that's more than 4000 grams. That's a lot of weed.


I wouldn't set it up just like in that picture though, I would have found a way to place wheels on the one standing on the ground so that maintenance of the plants would be a lot easier.
Example running a dedicated tub to the ones on the wall, so that it wouldn't have to be connected to the one on the floor.

And 2x1000 watt HPS hanging from the ceiling.
What would a realistic yield be from each plant?



I've been searching and searching trying to find grows with this Growall, but can't seem to find a grow diary of some sort.


Please, some feedback on this would be appreciated.

 

[BigGuns90]

Its like ecosystem.. Its normal you couldn't find it cause its very rare those commercial expensive systems.. i found like couple rotogro grow journal :S

 

[!!!]

Maybe you should be the first to put up a grow journal with this? I doubt this performs any better than the DIY verts on this forum..

 

[Fo20Blazerrr]

Dont want to rain on your parades ....

Lets keep with the realistic number here

First run 5 - 8 gram per plants

Second run 8 - 14 grams per plants

Third run, 14 - 20 grams per plants

The more you run that system, the more knowledge you will have to get more yield, its good to plan things put .... but dont sit there and plan how much weed you're going to get before it get going is FAIL.

FO20.

 

[canadiancracker]

im with ^^^^ blazer. 7 g a plant for the first run. lol.. dreaming to much takes your eyes off whats at hand and needs to be done.. go for it and report back to us here, we'll give you or thought and opinions on improvements and help you dial it on in.. good luck but be realistic.. have you grown hydro yet? if not build a cheap ass shelf system 360deg like i did and use bigger plants. bigger plants are easier to get more off of then starting with clones that might not all be in prime growth and will make the yeilds flucuate.. some stunted or not ready clones will harvest less and be over grown by stronger plants.
for this system youll need alot of clones. and the timing becomes alot harder. with 2 1k hps, promix, and handwatering i was pulling 4# a harvest with a lack of plants in my system running a medium producer. not a heavy yeilder.

alot of these cube grows and roto grows and ecosystems are labelled good for begginers but accually are better suited for experienced growers with alot of experience and who can produce ALOT of clones and be selective about which ones enter the flo chambers, and timing is everything. hense what blazer was saying. with each crop youll do better and better. good luck CC

 

[junior_grower]

I can vouch for the learning curve with vertical, but like any other style of growing can be accomplished. however, I am personally moving away from 4" rock wool cubes and going to a straight hydroton system for the saving and the reduced waste, the reduction in aglae growth and all the crap associated with constantly wet rock wool.

 

[Incognegro]

I personally think that is should be VERY feasible ESPECIALLY with 2 1000's you should be able to get at least 14-25gs per plant. Assuming that you're running clones, let clones veg for about a week or so...and then flip... you should EASILY be able to get decent weight from each plant.

Hell, you should be able to get those weights from just 1 1000...

I've thought about doing a vert-aero; but after seeing this, I may reconsider my setting up... will take this into consideration..

 

[Mr Celsius]

You wont get more then 7 g's a plant on your first run...

Build it yourself

 

[BudToker]

How are you going to get light penetration with those sites so close together. Won't the lower cuts be poorly lit? There may be a way I just can't see it... How big are the grow walls?

-BT

 

[BIGGS]

how much is it? and can you post up a link pls?

 

[Marlo]

I also think those #'s are a lil unrealistic.

IMO, those plant sites are way to close to think your gonna get 20g/plant. The table appears to be 3x3. 4x4 at most... This looks like alot less than 1 plant per sq ft. Could get very messy with fan leaves and side shoots.... Not to mention, the crazy overlap you would get from the clones on the edges of the table and the bottom 2 rows of clones on the walls. These areas would probably yeild less.

With the right strain, and 2 or 3 runs in this system, I'm sure your results would improve each time. I just don't think the current projection is realistic.

But it'd be fun to watch. Good luck




MARLO

 

[PoopyTeaBags]

at 2500 grams that is only like 5 1/2 pounds.... thats some big number(plant wise) for 5 pounds...

 

[Bob Smith]

I think you'd honestly be lucky to average 5 grams a plant with that "thing".

Look at all the wasted light in the corners!!

What a piece of shit...........honestly, I'm mildly retarded and I like my setup a HELLUVA lot more than that thing.

If you do buy that, I'll betcha you don't get an ounce off of that entire bottom tray - the entire perimeter will be shaded by the plants hanging above, and the interior will get the WEAKEST light imaginable from the tip of a vertically hung bulb - that's the equivalent of nothing.

The only thing that tray would be useful for is sexing seeds you've popped, IMO.

 

[Pointswest]

This looks like a very expensive nightmare waiting to happen. The learning curve on this setup will be long and probably disappointing. One leak and the whole area will be inundated with reservoir water.

The plants look too crowded to produce good yields. Any good grower would outproduce this system with a couple of soil pots and some pinching for branching or a good scrog system with one or two bubble buckets.

This looks like another gimmick to catch the eye of new growers joining the growing revolution, and promising unreal expectations for very inflated prices. Unless you are a very experienced grower and just want to experiment, this would be a very inefficient way to grow for high yields or to learn the growing skills of MJ production.

 

[Incognegro]

So no one honestly believes that with single cola plants, clones put in at roughly 10-12 inches will produce upwards of 14grams per plant?

That tends to make me believe you guys have never seen a true SOG in action? I've seen many, many SOG's where plants averaged 7-15grams per plant, using very small clones. Or folks who consistently are pulling 4-5lbs from a 120 site table using a single 600...(I don't have link, site is no longer) So i'm sure 169 sites can produce the same 5lbs...


Granted after looking at the bottom table again, I do see where the bottom table may suffer compared to the vert plants, but I see more efficiency, if you add a parabolic reflector at the top over the entire grow, so all light will be reflected back down into grow.

I may mimic this setup closely, but probably space sites out another inch or so apart from each other...

Hmmm.... I seem to be the only dreamer..lol

But, come on now, with 2 1000's ya.... I think you could get some nice yields outta that.

Oh ya, and I'd def build that over buying it...lol, unless it only cost maybe $50...then I'd probably buy it, oh, I'd use Coco too, I despise Rockwool.

 

[MyGreenToe]

5lbs from a single 600? thats 3.7 grams a watt growing horizontal.
I feel 100% assured calling bullshit. Even 4lbs from a single 600 horizontally is a pipe dream.
3 grams a watt is virtually unattainable. It requires the perfect storm of strain, grow system, and master grower. Talk is cheap.

 

[MyGreenToe]

As to the growall... It is still around, but it's been around a long time without much hype ever. I have yet to see anyone prove one out with a grow on any of the forums. There are alot of intriguing ideas in commercial vertical grow systems. Most of them are poorly implemented and require major modification to actually grow mj proficiently.

You will be far better off taking the good ideas, and implementing them more properly yourself with a DIY setup. You could also choose to follow in the footsteps of previous vert DIYers, in order to avoid an untested system. Copy a Heath Robinson system, or one of the many great grows posted here in ICmag.

 

[Sandnut]

cool setup, go for it, dont care what other say but this is what came to my mind at first

1: 169clones, that's alot of work
2: mother plants to get 169 cuts from will take alot of space
3: you might be better off doing a run with less clones thus bigger plants
4: build your own, shit like this is too expensive at a hydro shop

5: maybe something like these below would work, just add plants in pots in the horizontal space as you like ,, good luck

 

[BigGuns90]

Pi-Wall isnt even expensive.. like 4 of those and make cube of em.. then vertical light like 3-4kw i think i will try this out later :S


But i didnt find grow journals.. have enybody experience of piwall? piwall circle system has been rated to fail system..

 

[Marlo]

I've seen many, many SOG's where plants averaged 7-15grams per plant, using very small clones. Or folks who consistently are pulling 4-5lbs from a 120 site table using a single 600...(I don't have link, site is no longer) So i'm sure 169 sites can produce the same 5lbs...

Many? I'd like to see just one. With valid proof.
I'd be quick to mimic a single bulb 5 lbs setup.




MARLO