The Official Hempy Bucket Thread

[stonedar]

What's to straighten out? Speak from your own experience or don't speak at all.

I did, I was. I don't care.

I don't want to argue. I wasn't speaking to you specifically in my original post. remember I wasn't speaking to you specifically in my 1st post

What I said was you can get more from a hempy bucket by watering/feeding everyday or even everyday once the plants are established. I cited the 1st post in this thread as evidence that the "originator" of this grow method in fact suggested that you water every other day in the 1st post.

As I am sure you know Hempy buckets have been around longer than this site and you can see documented grows done either way.

As far as my own experience, since I have always followed the directions and watered daily or every other day and had great success I wanted to post my post for all to read not to start a fight with you. I mean you never know someone might want to try it the way the original poster did it.

I am in the process of switching over to hempy with cocoerlite as I have read recently that it has some reported advantages over what I use now which is straight coco hempy (perlite in res for both.) I use floranova nutes atm, but have tried others.

I am happy that you have good results, I hope you continue you to. I just think to maximize a hempy grow more frequent watering have been proven to be more successful.

 

[Japanfreakier]

I use about 40 liters of medium in one box with 6 plants so it's not that different. When I use smaller containers for single plants it's still about a week though. I just go by what the plants are doing though, if they looked like the need water in a few days that's what I would do.

I've done aero a lot and sometimes you'll have a pump or timer fail, after a few hours the plants will start to go limp. If you haven't seen your plants start to wilt you haven't seen how far you can go without watering. How often you want to water/fed is up to you though, I just know what works for me.

 

[Japanfreakier]

I just think to maximize a hempy grow more frequent watering have been proven to be more successful.

lol, who proved it? Certainly not you, certainly not Hempy ( sorry guy, he's not the biggest producer by far....not by far).

Look I understand that you respect the man, and that's fine, but he's not that final word on growing, and not even the final word on this style of growing.

On my better grows I get about 0.8 gpw using only gh nutes and epsome. No co2, no boosters, no RO water. Just tap water and gh 3 part about once a week. So unless you are killing my yields you might want to reconsider this idea that something has been proved to you to be more successful.

 

[stonedar]

lol, who proved it? Certainly not you, certainly not Hempy ( sorry guy, he's not the biggest producer by far....not by far).

Look I understand that you respect the man, and that's fine, but he's not that final word on growing, and not even the final word on this style of growing.

On my better grows I get about 0.8 gpw using only gh nutes and epsome. No co2, no boosters, no RO water. Just tap water and gh 3 part about once a week. So unless you are killing my yields you might want to reconsider this idea that something has been proved to you to be more successful.

Hempy can't type. his posts ramble, and you are right I've never seen any plants he grew I'd want to put in my hall of fame, or hell even post. As far as my yields, yeah I think I equal or better .8gpw on my better grows not that I want to get into a dick waving contest. I will have to agree with you nothing I said proved my point, people will just have to read my post and do their own research. I've never seen you're grows nor do I plan to look them up. You'll see if you check I have no album.

How about this we agree to disagree, I'll go about my business watering often. I still think I am right, you think you are right. It's ok it's a big internet there's room for all.

 

[Japanfreakier]

We aren't agreeing to disagree on anything here, you made a false claim that you can't back up. End of story.

For new growers to this style, don't let anybody tell you shit about what feeding schedule is best, there is only what's best for your garden. Try a few schedules out and learn to read what your plants are telling you. Every garden is different.

 

[Ty_Kaycha]

Most newbies water too often. Hempy buckets help with that as if you water too often the excess runs out. Pretty foolproof.

Water when your plants need water. For some, that might mean everyday. Others once a week.

For me personally, when the plants are young - it's about a week. When I flip to 12/12, it's still about once a week at first, but as time goes in flowering, it increases to almost every other day. A lot depends on your strain, room temp, container size, etc....

 

[dansbuds]

opinions are like assholes .... everybody has one . thats not to say either of you are right or wrong . but i'm right in the middle tryin to figure which way is best for me . this is my first hempy run so i'm tryin to get it dialed in . my soil grow was watering every otherd day & close to every day towards the end . so this is what i am inclined to here as it worked great for me recently . but hempy is different than soil so i'm not sure its right . i'm 3 weeks into veg ... one more week till the flip . i have been feeding every 2 to 3 days depending on how dry the mix is down to my second knuckle .the last week seems like they want more watering ...every other day at a quart per plant with little to no runoff .i should also add that i water in 16oz increments ... meaning i'll give them a 16ox cup of water/nutes to each plant & wait 15 minutes before i give the second one , looking for runoff before i give more . i'm up to 2 1/2 cups every other day now .thats 40oz per plant . but i feel like cuz this has a rez maybe i shouldn't be watering as often as i do .
are their benefits to not watering so often ?i know in soil you want to let them dry out so the roots will expand looking for water ... but with the hempys ...once they hit the rez ..search is over . they just expand in the rez . or maybe i have that wrong . dunno

 

[dansbuds]

this was posted while i was replying

posted by Ty Kaycha

Most newbies water too often. Hempy buckets help with that as if you water too often the excess runs out. Pretty foolproof.

Water when your plants need water. For some, that might mean everyday. Others once a week.

For me personally, when the plants are young - it's about a week. When I flip to 12/12, it's still about once a week at first, but as time goes in flowering, it increases to almost every other day. A lot depends on your strain, room temp, container size, etc....

this helps alot ... i should just keep reading them as i have & feed accordingly .
thanx Ty

 

[Japanfreakier]

are their benefits to not watering so often ?i know in soil you want to let them dry out so the roots will expand looking for water ... but with the hempys ...once they hit the rez ..search is over . they just expand in the rez . or maybe i have that wrong . dunno

Just like in soil, cannabis likes it a bit on the dry side. Since you grew in soil you know how they look if they want or need water, same thing in hempy.

 

[dansbuds]

Just like in soil, cannabis likes it a bit on the dry side. Since you grew in soil you know how they look if they want or need water, same thing in hempy.

ok cool !!
thank JF

 

[Bonavendura]

I am happy that we can have opinions exchange in this thread and that we avoid conflicts cause they can ruin threads.
Well as a newb in Hempy's i was planning to water every day till the roots reach the res and after i spot some Growth
as a response from roots hitting the res i will switch to every second day watering.
As i read above from more experienced growers they have watering schedules even once a week.
Every grower like me is lucky to have all this information so handy , this give him the opportunity to "play"
in his garden and see what works best for him.
As a soil grower in the past i left my girls wilt a little bit and then water
them and see them bounch back in 30 minutes time
As a hydro grower i understand how important is good oxygenation of the nutrient solution.

One think is for sure i will play in my garden until i found my answers but
here comes my question to the most experienced growers that water once a week sometimes,
What is going on in the res if i dont exchange the water soon enough ,
what about oxygen levels in the root zone and what about bad bacteria that
thrive in low oxygenated water .

p.s
I am going to solve one more big question that i have too
dwc bucket versus hempy bucket
same strain , same conditions , same nutes

 

[Japanfreakier]

What is going on in the res if i dont exchange the water soon enough ,
what about oxygen levels in the root zone and what about bad bacteria that
thrive in low oxygenated water .

If the DO was very low than you'd have problems I'd think but with perlite that's not a problem because it's so porous. As far as I know I'm the only person who has been able to get root rot in hempy, but I grow in extreme temps in the summer, close to 40C, and I used the regular mix of P&V and watered too much, every few days. So my personal experience tells me that over watering is actually riskier than letting your medium dry out. Even so I was able to finish the crop and actually got a good yield, in dwc I'm sure I would have lost the crop because the rot spreads quicker it seems.

So I really think it comes down to what medium you use and how much air it can trap.

 

[Baba Ku]

Perlite is not going to help in increasing oxygen levels. It can only have as much oxygen in it as the water holds. Oxygen bubbles will seek high ground, and won't stay in the perlite similar to an oxygen reservoir, which seems to be what you would be thinking.
Trapped air bubbles does not dissolved oxygen make.

These types of buckets are basically a hydro system, and DO is very important in a hydro system. Some hydro systems recirculate the water, nutes, and oxygen. So, I have a hard time buying that one can water too often using this style of bucket grow.
One can surely not water often enough to keep plenty of DO in and anaerobic bacteria out.
You can take the guesswork out of the oxygen equation by adding 30ml/gal of H202 at each feed. Some left over? Foliar spray it. Plants absolutely love the stuff and will show it.

 

[Japanfreakier]

It happened unless you think I'm lying, which is kind of silly. O2 goes into the water at the service, doesn't matter if it's trapped air or not.

 

[Bonavendura]

Reading around for Hempy's i understand that the watering works for them like the ebb/flow cycles , like a piston or something that renew the DO levels

 

[Baba Ku]

It happened unless you think I'm lying, which is kind of silly. O2 goes into the water at the service, doesn't matter if it's trapped air or not.

If air is trapped in a piece of perlite, or anything else for that matter, then it is in the form of a bubble. This bubble is atmosphere, and not just oxygen. And it is not dissolved in the water either. It is outside of the water, being surrounded by it as it were. Just because there is a bubble down there, does not mean it will benefit the plant at all. If a root would penetrate the bubble it would be like it exiting the res, and we know roots want to return when they find the air. Bubbles seek high ground, and the only way the perlite would hold oxygen is if a bubble couldn't find it's way out of the crevices. But it is not contributing to the DO levels at all.

I have no idea what you are on about with the lying bit...this is not about lying, but misunderstanding.

 

[CareFreeLivin]

Anyone run their hempy buckets with a drip system for feeding?

 

[CareFreeLivin]

p.s
I am going to solve one more big question that i have too
dwc bucket versus hempy bucket
same strain , same conditions , same nutes

Very interested in this, keep us updated!

 

[Japanfreakier]

If air is trapped in a piece of perlite, or anything else for that matter, then it is in the form of a bubble. This bubble is atmosphere, and not just oxygen. And it is not dissolved in the water either. It is outside of the water, being surrounded by it as it were. Just because there is a bubble down there, does not mean it will benefit the plant at all. If a root would penetrate the bubble it would be like it exiting the res, and we know roots want to return when they find the air. Bubbles seek high ground, and the only way the perlite would hold oxygen is if a bubble couldn't find it's way out of the crevices. But it is not contributing to the DO levels at all.

See I read this and I don't see any reason air wouldn't transfer to the water from trapped air. Just because you say it won't doesn't mean it won't. If you want to try and do some actual research or bring in some science into the conversation that's ok but as is your reasoning is....wait what is your reasoning again? Because it's a bubble? Get real.


Quick google search I find this:

"Perlite

Perlite is a more popular alternative. It's a type of volcanic rock that is heated to form small, lightweight pebbles resembling glass beads. Perlite is often uses as a soil additive. It's desirable for its ability to retain air. Since hydroponically grown plants will quickly deplete any dissolved oxygen, perlite will help the pump keep the water oxygenated. Perlite does not provide good anchorage for larger plants and is better mixed with something else. However, small plants and seedlings do well in Perlite."

I don't know how anybody would ever think that trapped air wouldn't exchange gas with water. Kind of like saying that blue cars won't move because they are blue or something.

 

[Japanfreakier]

Babu you don't have to insult me in karma and call me dipshit just because I wasn't impressed with your "bubbles don't add D.O." theory. Dude I doubt you even grow in hempy, just another guy talking out of his ass on a pot board and getting upset when they don't get away with it.