wow. some people are either crazy,greedy or fuckin stupid. grow bigger and better trees. otherwise, like bht said, gtfo of cali an go push some coke.
60,000 sq. ft. Marijuana Cultivation Facility to be Unveiled near Oakland Airport
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I never said people shouldn't make money off it. I said they should do it in a legal form, so NO ONE GOES TO JAIL. and you no longer have to look over your shoulder.
Look if you have read my past post. You will know, im all about making a living off of Marijuana, as i have a pation for it just like everyone else here does,
But when you are using Prop 215 for your business purposes and to make a profit, you are just as much of a scum as the DEA, and the FDA.
Instead of taking the legal option, prop 19, he wants to continue to ILLEGALLY make money, as prop 215 states, that local governments and federal should try to accommodate safe and AFFORDABLE Medication.
I have no clue what Mothersucker grows, how much he sells it for or what.
But what i do know is he has attacked my Beliefs about Medical marijuana since he started posting in this thread. Which was cleaned up as you didn't get to see THOSE POST.....
And also i am entitled to my opinion no matter what.
And dont deserve to be called something i am far from, because i promise you, i have spoken to more political officials in the last week, than mothersucker who cant even post under his own identity has his whole life.
Why hide behind something that should be legal. Why not pay our taxes and stand proud of who we are. We are not drug dealers or addicts.
We are Marijuana users and activist, and growers...
Why wouldn't we want to make HEMP legal as a industry?
Why wouldn't we want to make Marijuana legal to grow Industrial?
Why wouldn't we want to make it 100 percent legal so you no longer have to hide your tail in between your legs?
See where im getting at this?
Instead people like that, hide behind prop 215, making BANK, as he is proclaiming, to hide? in paranoia and fear?
Who would want to live like that? Not me, and i sure rather GROW MY OWN pot, than to pay for someone elses LEGAL COST< and overhead so they can profit off of me.
So yes 215 should be low cost to FREE.
And Yes for prop 19, you should be allowed to GET RICH! But pay your taxes and stand up like a man, instead of hiding behind someone whos DYING! As you need patients to be A CAREGIVER!!!
So grow balls, vote yes on 19 and pay taxes like every other citizen here, or act like the DEA, and FDA and steal money from sick and dying patients.
Edit: Prop 19 does change medical marijuana Law. It actually EXEMPTS MEDICAL MARIJUANA FROM BEING TAXED. PERIOD!!
Where i know of at least 12 counties taxing it right now as we speak!
As well as this industrial unit in Oakland, its going to happen no matter what. Greed is greed. And keeping it illegal, only drives the prices UP!!!!
SCF
I hope you can see it in my view as well.
Martha martha Stewart didnt deserve prison time over a stock share. But its the law, and she did!!!!
Life isn't fair, but why make it even harder than it needs to be....
Dimebag, I understand, my only point was that mothersucker doesn't desire to be a good person and doesn't seem to fancy himself one either making him consistent. SCF seems on the other end of that spectrum yet let his anger get the best of him and showed that he isn't as good as maybe he thought he was. My point was that he was out of line and stooping to a pretty low level out of frustration.
BigHerbTree.........You might be mistaking me for some backwards Hillbilly Stoner , but I assure you I`ve been an upstanding tax-payin citizen for 35 yrs in the real world.....
What I`ve done to break the law in my lil corner of the world was mandatory for my survival , or life without parole for cultivation would`ve made me a ward of the state 26 yrs ago.........
I live in Hell..........What ya`ll sign off on come Nov 2 will help the big boys and allow your diversification into other businesses to take care of your bottom line , but what`s it gonna do for legalization/de-criminalization across the board for all 50 states once ya`ll give up all your rights.........
Not to mention the absolute right for LEO to come get yer ass if they think you`re fukin up...........Ever had an ex-ol lady call popo on yas cuz she knows bout couple plants in the back yard?..........
I never allowed anyone to know about my shit , or where it was , but I`ve seen good folks go to prison for yrs and yrs over a few plants.........
Obviously........You give 2 shits what happens outside your lil world of diversifying and hey........I`m all bout the funtickets but...........
Remember what ya`ll vote for when it comes back and bites yas in the ass with both feet shot out from underneath yas and Dick Lee and his co-horts sell their shit to Big Pharma.......Sweet Tooth 2nd`s and better comes ta mind at yer local 7-11 ...........
Then you`ll be havin ta sell your extracts and such on the black market along with the buds , cuz Monsanto`s got a sale goin this week for 50 bucks an oz on the same shit you got for 2K per lb......SAME SHIT FOR 75 bucks less per oz than Homie`s best he can do ...........Who`s gonna pay more.............
Don`t give up without a fight for decent legislation instead of just acceptin what they sling atchas cuz you think it`s the only/best option you`ll ever get to smoke pot legally or profit as such that has happened till now.........
Politicians and Big Pharma`s laughin their ass off at how easy ya`ll gonna roll over for a lil piece of pitifulness........
If this is all about "Medical Marijuana" and healin folks , then why ya`ll rollin over like a buncha stoners come 4:20........
My 2 cents.........And before somebody comes back about me not bein from Cali...........I`ve done my research and spoken with many close old friends/growers on the left coast not happy bout this power grab , while trying to be optomistically skeptical about if it`ll ever reach my lil corner of Hell before I croak........
Peace......DHF...............
By far the most moronic half brained response I've seen yet...and your right I don't give a shit about pathetic growers and dealers who put all their eggs in one basket. I hope big business puts all you inbreed degenerates out on your ass, because you truly deserve nothing less then to be broke and homeless for wanting to continue to throw people under the prohibition train to maintain your untaxed black market profits.
PS when has pharmaceuticals ever prouced product that drive the price down? Do you even read the shit you type? How far inbreed are you?
im not angry thank you, im making my point, all though you would like to think im angry, i am fed up with MORONS who want people to continue to get arrested.
For there own profit and greed.
He deserves whatever he gets.
Although you would like to point me out as a angry person. I am just a person on a MISSION,
and have been for years......
so dont put words or feelings into my mouth, you dont know who i am, or how i feel, what ive seen, what i know, or what i have been through, and visa versa to you. as i wouldn't make any assumptions about you like that. I am no better than anyone else. Nor have i proclaimed to be. But you want to continue to say i act that way? well thats your opinion. Why are you so threatened by me, and my opinions, and teh facts i bring to the table? Hmmm Sorry you feel that way. LMAO
thank you
so when you show a shitty attitude to patients like me, which is the reason why people like him can grow, you bet your ass i have lost ALL RESPECT FOR HIM.
SCF
SCF you and all others are entitled to your opinions, I am not challenging that. If you have been editing his posts or deleting them as they were posted then so be it but I have been following the thread pretty consistently. As to the legality vs illegality issue you need to understand that just because he is violating the law doesn't make it morally wrong. I speed all the time, I throw banana peels into the bushes, I smoke weed, in short, I break the law all the time but that doesn't mean that doing so is immoral it just means that it is against the law. Now you have a moral stake in 215 it seems but you have to realize that him selling weed for profit is just him participating in the system as it exists today just as most do. More importantly, the vast majority of those served under the guise of 215 are not dying or suffering from some debilitating malady. Most are regular joes suffering from headaches or insomnia. Furthermore you need to realize that 215 is limiting on our rights just as full prohibitions is. Considering this and that my desire is full legalization as it seems as is yours, we both need to realize that mothersucker is not operating on the idea of utility but upon personal selfishness and or philosophical hedonism. I would like to think that if I were in the situation I would make the virtuous choice but I am not so sure that I wouldn't want to protect my piece of the pie.
this thread was an interesting read, started out about a monster 215 compliant(maybe) grow warehouse<br>
became another prop 19 rehash, which i guess is understandable, it's just weeks away<br>
but this warehouse(and others) is going full steam ahead prop 19 or not<br>
sounds like a 215 problem?<br>
i guess when some are hoping for DEA action(instead of fearing it), it signifies a different world is arriving
became another prop 19 rehash, which i guess is understandable, it's just weeks away<br>
but this warehouse(and others) is going full steam ahead prop 19 or not<br>
sounds like a 215 problem?<br>
i guess when some are hoping for DEA action(instead of fearing it), it signifies a different world is arriving
and thus is the point. to get these KIDS, and people who really arn't medically sufficient to be on 215. Off it, and do it legal. So they can feel morally right themselves... (patients and caregivers) although i have a feeling now they tasted blood, it will be hard to get them to do things the LEGAL way. But i promise there are far more people who NEED it for medical under prop 215 and who has there Recommendation from there doctor, than a people who dont... And usually only growers who are not sick, get there false prop 215 to become legal...and of course Sellers, selling it at black market prices, as possession as we know, is only a fine with no jail time...
But on the flip side, marijuana was used for 1000's of years for 100's of medical reasons. so saying that these people arnt medically sufficient is fairly insulting to anyones intelligence who knows anything about the history of Medical Marijuana in this country, let alone the world.
I am poor, i have a great opportunity for many years to make hand over fist in the medical marijuana movement. but i choose to work, so i dont have to risk any more than i need to, for me, and my, (ex family).
Anything i grew over, i donated for a cheap cost to clubs.
Growing is a hard thing, and you deserve to be compensated for it...
But for 215 make it Affordable
and for prop 19, make it for recreational, so these people piggy backing off prop 215 can get off it, and start a real revolution.
Peace,
SCF
C
Carl Carlson
Just to clear up any confusion, when a government says that one very small and well connected group of people can build a 60,000 sq. ft. warehouse and everyone else can have a 25 sq. ft. space, that isn't capitalism.
That's crony something.
That's crony something.
I have no problem with what they are doing in Oakland. If you dont Fail, you never tried........ but for environmental reasons.. i am a bit concerned. Hydro run off waste, lights, C20, electricity, and the list goes on... not very green friendly, but then again, i have no clue how exactly they are setting this up.
It would be awesome if they did tours, like they do in breweries, to see how they operate..
Fuck the DEA
SCF
warehouse is for medical prop 215 which states a patient or caregiver can grow AS MUCH AS NEEDED BY THE PATIENT. So in essence, if you have the money to develop this, and you need that much pot to sustain your health and living conditions, and your ailments from deterioration. Then by all means. you can too!
25 sq feet is for prop 19
Not saying im for or against this, as i want to see how this goes.
They have a HUGE supply and demand in Bay Area. This is why it was built!!!!!
SCF
Edit: for or against the DOME they are building. Not prop 19. IM ALL FOR 19!!!!
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SCF I am not getting into a pissing contest with you. I don't know you so you are right I don't know what you are like but we all form opinions about one another based on our writing and so I have. I interpreted your words in a certain way and if you didn't mean them in that way so be it. I am not threatened by you and have no reason to be. My point in responding was to point out that you were acting no differently than mothersucker, sacrificing right in favor for wrong although he makes no claim to be doing right.
As to the validity of someone's right to be under 215 that is a matter for their doctor, what I was asserting was that the claim that it should be free or low cost is less pressing when what you are curing is a headache from drinking too much rather than the nausea resulting from chemo.
As to the validity of someone's right to be under 215 that is a matter for their doctor, what I was asserting was that the claim that it should be free or low cost is less pressing when what you are curing is a headache from drinking too much rather than the nausea resulting from chemo.
I have no problem with what they are doing in Oakland. If you dont Fail, you never tried........ but for environmental reasons.. i am a bit concerned. Hydro run off waste, lights, C20, electricity, and the list goes on... not very green friendly, but then again, i have no clue how exactly they are setting this up.
It would be awesome if they did tours, like they do in breweries, to see how they operate..
Fuck the DEA
SCF
yeah, i think it's pretty crazy on the whole
greenhouse and improved outdoor methods should blow away indoor for cost
i remember when i told some of my stoner friends about these 'indoor grow' systems for MJ i had seen in hightimes
they looked at me like i had 2 heads, it just seemed ridiculous to grow indoors(this is 30+ years ago)
Um i suffer from Migraines, called Basiler Migraines. Which causes Nausea, vertigo, tinnitus, main artery in the back of your neck narrows out, causing seizures, and passing out.
So dont tell me a " headache" isn't worth a reason to get a 215.
and that is far from the only diagnosis i have believe me, and took 20 different specialist to finally find out what was wrong after 2 years of Vertigo, waking up and throwing up every morning.....
wondering, if i can even make it to work that day, to keep my job, so i can keep my health insurance.... which of course i ended up loosing.
and im not getting into a pissing contest. im simply stating FACTS at hand. These is whats going on man.. people are really sick. FDA is shoving drugs down peoples throats like candy.... using people like guinea pigs.
I no where stated sacrificing right in favor of wrong? Im not understanding what you are saying? I have sacrificed myself, for the good of this cause, and will continue to do so. I have these discussions with people like you, because i hope, yes i can learn something, or a different perspective, as well as lead by example.
Because someone wants to keep Prop 19 away for there own profits, is to want to SACRIFICE many peoples lives, with jail time, etc. and i retracted my statement about him going to prison. but i dont take back, that i wont feel bad for him, as he wants others to go to jail, for his profit, when we have a perfect legal way right here to vote on. Prop 19!!!
SCF
Did I say migranes? I said headaches. I get them from time to time, mostly when I don't sleep enough or drink too much. As far as the pissing contest, I am simply saying you seem more defensive than is needed or perhaps that is simply your personality. In the sacrificing right for wrong I was referring to you saying that he deserved to go to jail for growing weed. I would say that is sacrificing the good.
mothersucker
Member
Anyone here Jewish? Anyone here know what Birthright is?
To me, this shit is like taking away the Stoner Birthright. Corporations are taking away the positions that were once occupied by a majority of stoners.
To me, this shit is like taking away the Stoner Birthright. Corporations are taking away the positions that were once occupied by a majority of stoners.
G
Guest 88950
i guess this 60,000 sq ft grow house will show all of us what they are capable of in the coming months, should get interesting.
Mothersucker, when prop19 passes come to fla where poss over 20 gms is a felony and MMS for cultivation over 25 plants. remember, harsh laws and the bigger risk should mean top $$$. if you do bring your balls b/c were not a med friendly state.
oh, and the only good herb here is if you grow it or are connected so the houses are dirt cheap and we can flower outdoors most of the year. damn, fla needs to legalize.
Mothersucker, when prop19 passes come to fla where poss over 20 gms is a felony and MMS for cultivation over 25 plants. remember, harsh laws and the bigger risk should mean top $$$. if you do bring your balls b/c were not a med friendly state.
oh, and the only good herb here is if you grow it or are connected so the houses are dirt cheap and we can flower outdoors most of the year. damn, fla needs to legalize.
Well my friends......and enemies (if you so deem to be)....it looks to me like Prohibition of cannabis in one small corner of this planet may well be drawing to a close and it has many of us at loggerheads with each other over what the fall-out will be mainly regarding the income that has and still is generated by the illegality that has been prevalent ever since Anslinger and Hoover got behind the interests of the massive corporations 70 odd years ago....
To maintain what we feel is a basic human right to consume what amuses us or medicates us we have all had to live a somewhat covert lifestyle full of fear and paranoia due to the draconian laws founded back then and propagated ever since.......many of us have profited from taking such extreme risks and many have fallen to be used and abused behind the wrong sort of bars, slaughtered, wounded, beaten up and even executed.... our families ripped apart and lives dashed against the rocks of prohibition......
Hopefully the words Dylan sang 'The times they are a' changing' ring true and your far off corner of the planet actually votes to start to put an end to the global problem of victimizing billions of people for a victimless crime.......
It has always been my dream to see cannabis prohibition dissolve, dissipate and dissapear......but it will not happen overnight globally...
Who makes money from cannabis in or out of prohibition is not really my concern, for there are plenty of ways to create wealth if you need it.....and necessity has always been the Mother of Invention....
I am just sick and tired of hearing about good and righteous people suffering at the hands of the prohibitionists as I have done in the past and really want to see these injustices cease....
Don't let legalization divide us, it shouldn't stop you growing for your own use or as a crop that you might be able to sell or share with others.......and in reality it will create 1000's more jobs and actually more wealth that will trickle down for more people to benefit from it than do today.....
To maintain what we feel is a basic human right to consume what amuses us or medicates us we have all had to live a somewhat covert lifestyle full of fear and paranoia due to the draconian laws founded back then and propagated ever since.......many of us have profited from taking such extreme risks and many have fallen to be used and abused behind the wrong sort of bars, slaughtered, wounded, beaten up and even executed.... our families ripped apart and lives dashed against the rocks of prohibition......
Hopefully the words Dylan sang 'The times they are a' changing' ring true and your far off corner of the planet actually votes to start to put an end to the global problem of victimizing billions of people for a victimless crime.......
It has always been my dream to see cannabis prohibition dissolve, dissipate and dissapear......but it will not happen overnight globally...
Who makes money from cannabis in or out of prohibition is not really my concern, for there are plenty of ways to create wealth if you need it.....and necessity has always been the Mother of Invention....
I am just sick and tired of hearing about good and righteous people suffering at the hands of the prohibitionists as I have done in the past and really want to see these injustices cease....
Don't let legalization divide us, it shouldn't stop you growing for your own use or as a crop that you might be able to sell or share with others.......and in reality it will create 1000's more jobs and actually more wealth that will trickle down for more people to benefit from it than do today.....
Are greenhouses really considered "outdoor"?
Really?
Why the hell were they invented then?
Really?
Why the hell were they invented then?
mothersucker
Member
A lot of sneaky dispensaries will try to pass off GH as indoor. But I can always tell.
GH quality is oftentimes better than straight-up outdoor quality, but always worse than indoor.
It was invented to allow all-season growing.
GH quality is oftentimes better than straight-up outdoor quality, but always worse than indoor.
It was invented to allow all-season growing.
