Vegan Organics with Professor Matt Rize

[Weird]

IDK

if its about best smoke and patient health than the focus should be on prep not content

the purpose of aerating your teas is to supply oxygen to the water which

A) provides ample oxygen to stimulate aerobic bacterial growth

B) provides ample oxygen to eliminate anaerobic bacterial growth

vegan and other organic regimes also do not take into account allergens which also contribute to the aggravation of the patient and undo taxing of the immune system

but really a microscope or paid soil samples will give you an idea of bacterial make up; which if your saying health is of supreme importance should be included to back up your claims, preferably with side by side trials

food for thought

 

[Clackamas Coot]

And these amounts are very small indeed. 5 lbs of crab meal,5 lbs of fish bone meal per 75-ish gallons of recycled soil that will go through 2 or 3 cycles before another "re-amend" with smaller portions of these ocean by-products. About a 1/2 gallon of fish hydrolysate per cycle as well. I'd say if it wasn't for the fish...it'd be borderline vegan with an upgrade on the term itself.
Manures shouldn't really count because they are part of a soil/food web....yet they are utilizing animals for the poop...so..maybe if it's in a natural setting that would clean up the practice a bit,it would be more kosher?????????

I draw the line about fertilizers derived from cattle and swine, i.e. bone meal and blood meal. Mostly on philosophical grounds and the fact that I can't find anything that shows that bovine bone meal is preferable to fish bone meal hydrolysate. Same with blood meal vs. fish meal hydrolysate.

After watching the movie 'Food, Inc.' it is a no-brainer. Factory farms invade enough of our food supply chain as it is.

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[MrFista]

I call a spade a spade. You want to come in here selling things and talking rubbish like you are some kind of authority I'll call you on it. Bad advice is worse than no advice. Drop the Professor masquerade and sales pitch and we can talk gardening.

If you want to grow for the best quality organic weed aquaponics is it. That is a system almost entirely fed by animal wastes the weed is STRONG but no cough. When running a system fed daily yet reading 0 ammonia, 0 nitrite and 0 nitrate you know you got some seriously efficient growing going on, and subsequently very clean smoke. I am very happy with my current no till 'no nutes' mulch and teas only grow, but it isn't aquaponics, it's just MUCH easier.

The concept of plant based nutrition is good I am learning this art as we speak. The key to ultimately cheap lazy gardening with beautiful herb seems to be to learn what sort of other weeds are growing on your property or in the neighbourhood, and learn what nutrients are in them, make a mulch mix of nutritionally balanced weed tops (dry them out first) with some browns - I use leaf mulch - and you're golden. The nutes that make it to the plant are all processed via the soil food web. Worms pull the leaves down into their burrows and microbes get to work on them.

Select healthy weeds to make the green portion of mulch. And you can always test and remineralise the soil where they grow if there is something wrong with them. Generally weeds flourish in the conditions suited to them and the healthy ones are easy to spot.

I'm weaning myself off animal products not because I don't like them, but because the industry that supplies local product is directly implicated in felling indonesian rainforest for palm kernel for stock feed. Shameful business.

 

[Clackamas Coot]

The area of organic farming called 'bio-dynamics' is an interesting study. There are state, national and international organizations which promote this fairly small segment of organic/sustainable farming.

RE: JayKush and his methods.

On another thread that I can't recall, JayKush mentioned brewing and applying lavender tea. So I went out and sourced some late-season organic lavender and followed his suggestion on how to make this tea.

I had a minor spider mite problem about Week 5 or so in the 12/12 cycle and was looking for an alternative to neem seed oil. I applied it on a Saturday and again the following Wednesday - it friggin' worked. Not like neem which is not an insecticide (though it is listed as a pesticide) and that's because of how it works, i.e. prohibiting the ability of the mites to eat and digest leaf material and also inhibits the larva from hatching.

Lavender tea kills them instantly. Now. Period. It's ovah. I wouldn't have believed it without seeing firsthand.

I did some looking around the web for information and I discovered that there's a long history of using lavender tea/extracts in organic farming in Europe going back to the 1930's. While some of the information is sketchy, there is some information that there are also some fungicide qualities to lavender as well.

JayKush recommend sourcing organically grown lavender and given the amount of pesticides, herbicides, insecticides, fertilizers used on ornamental plants that is very solid advice.

Sure makes the plants have an interesting aroma for a couple of days.

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[guest2012y]

A lot has to do with our own lifestyles as well...how much time do I have,or do I want to invest in my garden? If a feller' has the time to sit here and plug away at the keyboard he certainly has the time to make a Lavender mitacide.....more food for thought.
Watched Food Inc. couple weeks ago.....pretty much a reminder why I don't eat beef,pork,or properly practiced organic poultry operations.....not to mention the same reason I don't grow anything with those by-products.
I'd also say that if you use the "poops" in your soil mix and practice professional indoor organic soil building techniques,then the concern about pathogens and allergens is reduced to a very minimal level. I've never been sick once over the past 15 years of working with bat guano or/and more recently fish by-products. It's close to proper food handling the way I garden organically...you don't wipe your ass then go make a sandwich without washing your hands.

 

[Yankee Grower]

While some of the information is sketchy, there is some information that there are also some fungicide qualities to lavender as well.

You'll find the same thing with essential oils in general. Essential oils are known for their anti bacterial, viral and fungal properties. If you look to the French you'll find lots of research info regarding essential oils but not necessarily about their insecticide properties.

For the most part lavender grows itself and no need for any pesticides, herbicides, etc. Liberty Essential Oils based out of Oregon has their own fields...lots of lavender grown in Oregon and waaaaay Norcal. I drive around where I live and lots of lavender in the landscaping and grows great in the high desert without any help including water.

 

[guest2012y]

Hey, way to be rude. Get a life. You wish you got paid what I do to teach medical Cannabis classes. That is from the Stock free standards. Not something I wrote, cha. Your other posts will be ignored.

For everyone else. I don't get paid by any of these companies, but since switching to this system my price has gone up to 4, and that makes me happy living in this nor cal environment where organics has never got me more than 37.

I have no idea what jaykush bumps, BUT if it is plant based organic nutrition, then he is the bomb. So many haters... please unsubscribe if you are just here to talk shit and not contribute to this thread

BACK TO PLANT BASED ORGANIC NUTRITION

post edit: i do not grow for yield or look, but for smoke quality and patient safety (aka top price).

I get 32 to 4 nowadaze depending on if it's for patients or family or what...used to get 48 when times were different.
I think Mr. Rize has stumbled upon some of the most skeptical and meticulous organic growers who happen to choose to participate in an international forum such as IC Mag. These guys will tear you a new A-hole if you come across with even a slight sales pitch.
I'm only here to share this experience and show peeps that the organic way of gardening is easy as pie. Not only can this save you $$$$,but it can help out a global environment in decline by learning these practices these good people share here. (and because I'm bored in between cycles) EDIT: Not to mention the best herb on Earth that a human being could have the pleasure of smoking....no if's and's or but's about it!

 

[Clackamas Coot]

YK

Your comment about essential oils is interesting. A couple of years ago I was given a product sheet by the folks from Neptune's Harvest about a new product that they were considering marketing which was cedar oil as a general fungicide and insecticide. I'm not sure if it eventually became part of the product line.

On a NPR program there was a story about a company based in Eugene, Oregon called Mountain Rose Herbs. They carry many of the same products as Liberty Naturals. The folks at Liberty Naturals are located just a few miles from our home. Very nice people.

The product listing at Mountain Rose Herbs might also interest you. They carry an organic seaweed extract from Iceland which looked interesting. They also carry dried powered yucca root which differs from many of the liquid yucca extract which is sourced from plant material harvested above the ground. It's also organic as are most of their other products.

What about yarrow extract? Anything interesting you know about this plant? They also carry comfrey extract which might be beneficial to those that live in an area where growing their own plants might be challenging.

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[guest2012y]

Anybody tried to mess with tea tree oil with any aspect of gardening?

 

[DARC MIND]

RE: JayKush and his methods.

On another thread that I can't recall, JayKush mentioned brewing and applying lavender tea. So I went out and sourced some late-season organic lavender and followed his suggestion on how to make this tea.
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cc and or Jay
when making this "tea" does it have to made w/ just the flowers or can i use other parts of the plant?

anothr great pest/disease prevention and deterrent is this garlic ginger extract
https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=94673 <~recipe
found in this thread along with other similar discusions using plants to grow plants, vegan methods, composting ect ect.
the garlic/ginger recipe was tested on edible vegetables, fruits and yeska, as a foliar or from time to time mixed into water as drench. plants responded in overall increase of health and less prone to major pest & disease.
i will continue to use this simple plant based recipe in my growing program,simply because its cheap & noticably effective in conjuction wtih other pest managment methods.

 

[jaykush]

i prefer the flowers as that's what people use to distill the essential oils from. i make fertilizers with the rest of the plant when i do trimmings. makes for some wicked black FPE.

 

[jaykush]

What about yarrow extract?

it kicks ass.

 

[NUG-JUG]

I think he is going to market it as a product called "butt candy". Maybe a half naked girl will appear on the label.

hahahah lol funny stuff

here's cambodian bud i grew ghetto under some cfl's until my 1000w is set up, and it turned out nice, lc mix 1(non-vegan) re-used with minimal additions, mostly left over guanos. i think i spent around $50, and that includes all the lights,poly, and the one fan i used.



i like the idea of 'veganics' but using plant extracts is a free way to do it. you can't even slightly seem like you are selling a product on here without getting reamed..as it should be.

 

[Microbeman]

Most essential oils come from trichomes. I'll try to post a pdf or two

Would not let me upload this one:

"A Rapid Method for Isolating Glandular Trichomes
Ellen H. Yerger*, Richard A. Grazzini, David Hesk1, Diana L. Cox-Foster, Richard Craig, and Ralph 0. Mumma
Department of Entomology (E.H.Y., D.H., D.L.C-F., R.O.M), Intercollege Graduate Program in Genetics (R.A.G.),
and Department of Horticulture (R.C.), The Pennsylvania State University, University Park, Pennsylvania 16802"


Concerning Canna-bottled shit....boy oh boy. Who woulda thought?....vegan even! Wow. gotta buy some tomorrow.

 

[Yankee Grower]

i prefer the flowers as that's what people use to distill the essential oils from. i make fertilizers with the rest of the plant when i do trimmings. makes for some wicked black FPE.

Yeah yeah lots of other benefits to lavender but what I was trying to say is with something like the pesticide properties I'd bet money from the essential oils of which lavender has a high concentration. For sure the organic matter rocks but IMO the insecticide properties come from the oils.

 

[big ballin 88]

Looks like its time for me to grow some lavender also. Finally got some comfrey. Gonna be planting some yarrow, buckwheat and borage(Thanks DM!). This should be a good start for my green side of it with the addition of sea kelp. I dont think i could ever give up my fish hydro. though.

Sorry if everyone upset you for trying to help, but this forum is dominated by true veganics and the way has already been paved. Thats why Jay is a mod on this side. He's taught many of us to use what natures given us instead of companies forcing upon us.

 

[Yankee Grower]

YK

On a NPR program there was a story about a company based in Eugene, Oregon called Mountain Rose Herbs. They carry many of the same products as Liberty Naturals. The folks at Liberty Naturals are located just a few miles from our home. Very nice people.

The product listing at Mountain Rose Herbs might also interest you. They carry an organic seaweed extract from Iceland which looked interesting. They also carry dried powered yucca root which differs from many of the liquid yucca extract which is sourced from plant material harvested above the ground. It's also organic as are most of their other products.

What about yarrow extract? Anything interesting you know about this plant? They also carry comfrey extract which might be beneficial to those that live in an area where growing their own plants might be challenging.

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I mainly go to Liberty for essential oils and one of the best US sources. If you wanna go fancy it's Phtyosun Aroms in France. Yucca root is great and full of complex carbs fungi like. Last yucca root extract I had I gave to Dignan. IMO things like yarrow and comfrey extracts are good for nutritional use but for growing I'd just go with whole herbs. I just checked Mountain Rose and cool but have been dealing with places like Starwest Botanicals for over 20 years. For human use yarrow is a diophoretic which means it helps you sweat. For growing weed any native plants (herbs/weeds) rock when composted and would recommend peeps buy, if they can't find locally in the woods, wildcrafted stock cause really the same thing.

 

[DARC MIND]

sweet pdf mm, thanks much!
clarified why the flowers of ganja and lavender smell wonderful but both leaves and stems,when rubed,can give a pretty good whiff of that same essence.
like jay, i would think lavednr concentrates more on trichome production, once blooming occurs(like mj)specially around the blossoms themselves, being ther such important reproductive organs.
(possible senescence responce?)
so the whole lavender plant it self most likely has pesticide properties but the flowers is were its at.
wonder if certain species of lavender(39 according to wiki) produce more of them beneficial oils.

 

[Yankee Grower]

wonder if certain species of lavender(39 according to wiki) produce more of them beneficial oils.

Would bet the ones that produce more oils are in commercial production around the world. Around here there's 2 types in the fields. The flowers are where it's at...just like canna...lol.

 

[schwagg]

english smells better then spanish from what i can smell.