#9 and #12 for me , although #15 seems to have a nice conical shape if you're looking for an outdoor monster
Darwin's First Breeding Project
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hehe cheers for the input guys 
green_machine
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#9 looks real nice
How often were you feeding them Darwin?
green_machine
How often were you feeding them Darwin?
green_machine
hey green_machine, hehe yeah #9 is definitely the pick of the litter vigour and structure wise, she's gorgeous! umm i've sorta stopped feeding them as they don't like a lot of nutes and i kept burning them with the liquid fert mix i was giving the other plants. so just water ph'ed to 6.5ish and a drop of superthrive in there. there're ferts in the soil they must still be feeding off
cheers paulo i'll update in a bit with some more pics of the girls, so far they've all had a pretty sweet smell, and what i'm guessing is a hashy smell (first time i've grown/smelled hash plants). it's a pretty strong smell that penetrates the sweet scent slightly. really pleasant! definitely my favourite smelling plant i've grown yet.
i'll update in a bit with some more pics of the girls, so far they've all had a pretty sweet smell, and what i'm guessing is a hashy smell (first time i've grown/smelled hash plants). it's a pretty strong smell that penetrates the sweet scent slightly. really pleasant! definitely my favourite smelling plant i've grown yet.
you've probably noticed i chucked a poll up please just choose 3 haha unless you really can't decide between your favourite 4 i've put down the ones i'm partial to so far, #9 and maybe #5 for me is the only certain addition, the other 1-2 may be swayed by what you guys think so feel free to keep discussing it and giving me your input, it's been great so far so thanks a lot!
UPDATE: SEEDS SEEDS SEEDS!
tent shot
thinking i might give the males another week or so before giving them the flick. any recommendations? have they done all the damage they will a propos pollination? or still got a fair bit to do? they're starting to get a bit flopping and fall over.
you'll see in the 2 pics below that one boy is lagging hugely behind the others and still hasn't dropped anything pollen wise so i'll probably leave him there until he's dropped some.
some pics of the girls and their eggs lol i mean seeds!
close ups
#9 looking good
it's been really interesting seeing seeds form for the first time, i've had a good look at the white widow i'm flowering at the moment see if i can spot any seeds as i gave them a tiny bit of pollen. it's been pretty easy to find them, the pistils turn orange-red as soon as they've been pollinated and then the calyx begins to enlarge. by the looks of it there'll be 50-100 white widow x mis, i'll hopefully send some in for freebies at seedbou, maybe some MIS too
please just choose 3 haha unless you really can't decide between your favourite 4 i've put down the ones i'm partial to so far, #9 and maybe #5 for me is the only certain addition, the other 1-2 may be swayed by what you guys think so feel free to keep discussing it and giving me your input, it's been great so far so thanks a lot! UPDATE: SEEDS SEEDS SEEDS!
tent shot
thinking i might give the males another week or so before giving them the flick. any recommendations? have they done all the damage they will a propos pollination? or still got a fair bit to do? they're starting to get a bit flopping and fall over.
you'll see in the 2 pics below that one boy is lagging hugely behind the others and still hasn't dropped anything pollen wise so i'll probably leave him there until he's dropped some.
some pics of the girls and their eggs lol i mean seeds!
close ups
#9 looking good
it's been really interesting seeing seeds form for the first time, i've had a good look at the white widow i'm flowering at the moment see if i can spot any seeds as i gave them a tiny bit of pollen. it's been pretty easy to find them, the pistils turn orange-red as soon as they've been pollinated and then the calyx begins to enlarge. by the looks of it there'll be 50-100 white widow x mis, i'll hopefully send some in for freebies at seedbou, maybe some MIS too
salut darwin,
3;4;6;9
mets aprés ibl sur le produit fini!!!!
3;4;6;9
mets aprés ibl sur le produit fini!!!!
LonelyNerd
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Hi Darwin
First thanks for taking the time to post your work. I am confused and have a couple of thoughts about your project I was hoping you could clear up. From my understanding Landraces refer to the plants ability to adapt to the natural environment of origin. Sometimes a formalized breed retains the "landrace" name, despite no longer being a true landrace. This is the case with many MIS strains. Many of which where bred after leaving Afghanistan for many generations. There are Afghan Landrance for sale for sure, you maybe even have your hands on some. I really would not know. You'd know they hate getting root bound and are notorious for large plants, GN's MIS has that distinct broad leaf. I guess my point is, that with such a massive variation in Landraces, having 20 or so individuals is a little shy of that huge variation in phenotypes (taste, potency, yield, flavor, growth, disease/mold resistance). Cannabis has grown down under for years no problem, however it is not a native plant at all. to say we are preserving a Landrace, Im not sure were there yet ? I cant see any true preservation of Landrace genetics here. If your trying to add some afghan plant phenos to your garden, Ill go with 9. Best of Luck, Personally I hope you do stumble across something very potent and fast finishing. Peace
First thanks for taking the time to post your work. I am confused and have a couple of thoughts about your project I was hoping you could clear up. From my understanding Landraces refer to the plants ability to adapt to the natural environment of origin. Sometimes a formalized breed retains the "landrace" name, despite no longer being a true landrace. This is the case with many MIS strains. Many of which where bred after leaving Afghanistan for many generations. There are Afghan Landrance for sale for sure, you maybe even have your hands on some. I really would not know. You'd know they hate getting root bound and are notorious for large plants, GN's MIS has that distinct broad leaf. I guess my point is, that with such a massive variation in Landraces, having 20 or so individuals is a little shy of that huge variation in phenotypes (taste, potency, yield, flavor, growth, disease/mold resistance). Cannabis has grown down under for years no problem, however it is not a native plant at all. to say we are preserving a Landrace, Im not sure were there yet ? I cant see any true preservation of Landrace genetics here. If your trying to add some afghan plant phenos to your garden, Ill go with 9. Best of Luck, Personally I hope you do stumble across something very potent and fast finishing. Peace
Hi Darwin
First thanks for taking the time to post your work. I am confused and have a couple of thoughts about your project I was hoping you could clear up. From my understanding Landraces refer to the plants ability to adapt to the natural environment of origin. Sometimes a formalized breed retains the "landrace" name, despite no longer being a true landrace. This is the case with many MIS strains. Many of which where bred after leaving Afghanistan for many generations. There are Afghan Landrance for sale for sure, you maybe even have your hands on some. I really would not know. You'd know they hate getting root bound and are notorious for large plants, GN's MIS has that distinct broad leaf. I guess my point is, that with such a massive variation in Landraces, having 20 or so individuals is a little shy of that huge variation in phenotypes (taste, potency, yield, flavor, growth, disease/mold resistance). Cannabis has grown down under for years no problem, however it is not a native plant at all. to say we are preserving a Landrace, Im not sure were there yet ? I cant see any true preservation of Landrace genetics here. If your trying to add some afghan plant phenos to your garden, Ill go with 9. Best of Luck, Personally I hope you do stumble across something very potent and fast finishing. Peace
hey mate, cheers for the kind words
landraces don't refer so much (IMO) to a plants ability to adapt to an environment or not, any organism with variation in its genetics (isn't a population of clones), a landrace in this case is a strain of cannabis that has existed in a specific area/environment isolated from other strains, for so long that it has adapted to the environment and has gone through a stage of reproductive isolation for long enough that it is genetically unique to other strains. according to wiki :
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Landrace
this line is from RSC which i believe have collected them directly from afghanistan and have done no selection with the line at all to my knowledge.
more is always going to be better mate when it comes to effective population size (the amount of individuals reproducing with one another) in this case it's 28. but where do you draw the line? is 50 enough? is 1000 enough? is a single field of 10 000 enough? the importance of Ne decreases exponentially, once you get above 30 or so there's going to be little difference between using 30 and 100 plants if you're open pollinating the lot, especially if they're not a worked line, the level of heterozygosity remains high, which means that more phenotypes and genotypes will be hidden in the genes that can appear once you do an open pollination with those initial 30. yes 100 would be better, but only slightly, not enough to really worry me too much. i'm not trying to save every single genotype of every single landrace out there, that is not my mission, but i am aiming to do the best that i can with the resources i have to grow out each landrace i have with as large a Ne as possible and open pollinate the lot to end up with 1000s of seeds to help conserve the genetics the strain. me wanting to make IBLs on top of that isn't for preservation, that's my own breeding interest. cheers mate
darwin
LonelyNerd
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Great Answer and a very realistic one btw. I was thinking along those lines but its totally worth it Darwin. + karma your way
yeah the thing is, in my opinion anyway, most landraces having a great deal of variety, will still be relatively closely related, they're grown in big fields most often and will have originated from a smaller amount of plants grown out to produce seed for those fields, so we always see massive fields full of 10000s of plants, but in the end they will all have a much smaller amount of parents between them, and whatever plants the farmer would've used to generate those parent plants would've been related too you'd assume, so i think as long as you keep the numbers around 30+ you should be saving 80-90% of the genetics i'd hope. sure, we'll lose bits and pieces but that can't be avoided no matter how many plants you use so it's a hard one, and at the end of the day i can only do what i have space for lol and using 30 is better than using 0. lol cheers for the questions though mate i like thinking about these things and discussing them
so it's a hard one, and at the end of the day i can only do what i have space for lol and using 30 is better than using 0. lol cheers for the questions though mate i like thinking about these things and discussing them LonelyNerd
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We cannot assume anything. We must find out.Until then we cannot estimate how many individuals to represent. Like you said, its a hard one. Im doing a similar project with selected afghan/pre soviet genetics, using as many individuals as I can to represent that population and I am no where near close. Some smells like tangerine, others liqource and other fuel, all produce a very dense product. Im excited for both your RSC and GN. Im hoping you can find a special keeper ! Tagged m8
cheers mate, good luck with your projects too and send me the link if you've got them up on here i'd love to scribe and watch
hopefully the GN arrive ok and i can get to them in the future LonelyNerd
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cheers mate, good luck with your projects too and send me the link if you've got them up on here i'd love to scribe and watch
Thanks Ill need all the luck I can get, Ill be using our summer to give them a proper veg, this time around and doing coco this round. I dont know about a log but I will definitely keep you updated
. Peacepheno from the north broad-leaf.
looking beautiful mate can't wait to see more
ps. once you get past 50 comments flick me a msg, i've got something to show you.
can't wait to see moreps. once you get past 50 comments flick me a msg, i've got something to show you.
UPDATE: Start of week 6
#9
#8
#5
the two tallest males, one's got a dark red stem the other is pure green
#9 and #8
#9
#8
#5, #9, #8
in the last photo above it's interesting to see #5 has had 1/3 the amount of soil as the rest of the plants and looks much the same, perhaps depth is key to height as the taproot may define the height the plant grows to. #8 and #9 are definitely my two favs, #5 is a close 3rd, but she has smaller buds possibly due to the reduced soil volume it has access too, so it may be more an environmental factor than a genetic one.
#9
#8
#5
the two tallest males, one's got a dark red stem the other is pure green
#9 and #8
#9
#8
#5, #9, #8
in the last photo above it's interesting to see #5 has had 1/3 the amount of soil as the rest of the plants and looks much the same
, perhaps depth is key to height as the taproot may define the height the plant grows to. #8 and #9 are definitely my two favs, #5 is a close 3rd, but she has smaller buds possibly due to the reduced soil volume it has access too, so it may be more an environmental factor than a genetic one.
the poll has definitely been interesting to watch hehe seems there's only really one outlier #9, she was definitely my fav from the start, it's been fun to do this project and interesting to see that there was just ONE plant that definitely stood out from the rest. guess it just goes to show what can be hiding and won't be found until larger numbers are grown out... can't imagine growing out 1000s and only choosing 1 or 2, imagine what they'd be like.
anyway, i think today will be the last session the boys will get dropping their loads on the girls, i'll collect as much as i can and then i'm going to give them all the chop and move my other flowering girls back into the tent (my 2 white widow girls). i'm debating putting the males in a bucket of water and having their flowers lean over the side with a bag over them for a day or two to collect the last of their pollen for future use. i guess i'll see what space i have. i'll chuck some photos up of the rearranged tent later on tonight all the best everyone
darwin
anyway, i think today will be the last session the boys will get dropping their loads on the girls, i'll collect as much as i can and then i'm going to give them all the chop and move my other flowering girls back into the tent (my 2 white widow girls). i'm debating putting the males in a bucket of water and having their flowers lean over the side with a bag over them for a day or two to collect the last of their pollen for future use. i guess i'll see what space i have. i'll chuck some photos up of the rearranged tent later on tonight
all the best everyonedarwin
found my first "hermy" today, just one plant, on the lowest pair of laterals were 3 ball sacks developing. so ripped them off and tossed them away.
saved as much pollen as i could from the boys before cutting them then shook as much out as i could in the tent for the last dusting. after that took all the tubs/trays i have the plants in out of the tent and washed them all down as well as all the containers the boys were in. i also sprayed the entire inside of the tent down as well as all the plants with fresh water to kill as much residual pollen as i could before introducing the white widow girls i have flowering back into the tent. though i'm not too phased if they get a little dusted as i'm after a few MIS x WW to give to seedbou as freebies so if they get pollinated a little more i won't be mind. here are some pics for you guys
saved as much pollen as i could from the boys before cutting them then shook as much out as i could in the tent for the last dusting. after that took all the tubs/trays i have the plants in out of the tent and washed them all down as well as all the containers the boys were in. i also sprayed the entire inside of the tent down as well as all the plants with fresh water to kill as much residual pollen as i could before introducing the white widow girls i have flowering back into the tent. though i'm not too phased if they get a little dusted as i'm after a few MIS x WW to give to seedbou as freebies so if they get pollinated a little more i won't be mind. here are some pics for you guys
