A World On A String

[unclefishstick]

is that all one plant outdoors? wow,that is a heck of a lot of tops...next summer,come hell or high water something is getting grown outdoors....

its sad to say that you are the only other person who i have seen keeps a fire extinguisher in the grow area ,such a cheap precaution to take...

 

[THE PABLOS]

Yup uncle...one plant...topped three Xs I think....and heavily trained since she went in.....not one branch went untrained and supercropped.

Fire extinguishers....safety is job #1 at all times.....fires are no joke...and being responsible for your actions and respectful of others is just the path to take. My rooms were built with all new wiring, plug outlets, panels etc....and I constantly go over it.

I want to shut down and redo my rooms again....it is hard doing upgrades and keeping a perpetual running....I could definitely make things a lot better.....I consider the way things are now....as juvenile and slightly retarded..lol...but I've learned from it. I quickly out grew the technology and this entire set up....the theory is unsound...but with effort...it works.

If you don't have a fire plan.....or power outage plans....you are behind the curve imo....back up exhaust fans are a good idea as well.

 

[unclefishstick]

i look back on some of my old rooms and wonder what the heck i was thinking...
one of the best things about this hobby is the endless tinkering...

 

[THE PABLOS]

Do you think I grow enough DJ Short?

Do you think I grow enough DJ Short?

....I was dicking around one of my veggie beds...thinning out turnips...

This ain't no turnip



No turnip....but for sure a DJ Short related little mutant....I have the habit of tossing beans all over the place...one of my childish endeavors. The veggie bed where this was found...happens to be in a position to collect a fair amount of tossed beans....I've found many in this bed....sometimes I let them go for awhile to see if anything special shows. At least the plant shows desire....those turnips were pretty thick....it had to really fight to find the light....as seen in the pix....I've now thinned out the turnips and given the little shit something to hope for. If it be female...maybe I'll dig her up...doubt it but maybe.

Man....I love growing OD....Indoor under electric lights is just not the same game. You organic growers can try all you like....in the end...it's fraud.

I'll post up some pix of my semi organically grown plant in the next week or so....flowering in the OD....but contained in a 1.7gal square of coco and fed GH. I took the least developed Haze leaning Purple Bastard Haze F2 out of the flower studio in her early 40s and moved her OD...with no break in period....bam...sink or swim....good luck my dear. I don't cover her either....but put her in a place where a tree and a structure help keep her warm at night. I don't want to bring her in every night....I've enough to do....and that gets to be a pain in my ass. Sometimes you have to show tough love....they are weeds after all.

 

[unclefishstick]

ha! go little mutant go!
i agree,to some extent the effort of trying to maintain a truly bioactive soil indoors is futile,all you can do is fake it,still,compared to chem nutes,its worth the hassle and stink for me.
after all the various ways i tried cloning it turns out sticking them in a glass of water and forgetting about them is working best for me...no more babying them,cut em and wait...

 

[THE PABLOS]

Hey man...peeps grow how peeps grow...I don't bag on anyone for their methods....well I may dig a little here and there lol...but I've done the dirt indoors....gross ass teas indoors....doesn't seem very healthy to me. Soil inside is just plain old dirty.....and shit inside...is nasty...it's shit. Never again will I grow indoors in soil....even outdoors my medium is hybrid...but organic and alive.

I understand the flavor and organics thing....that's my reasoning behind digging for the really flavorful herbs....that don't need the extra boost from their medium.

A solid test for the value of an organic medium and the effect it has on the herb...will be with this Joy Division. I've been toking on her inorganically grown sisters....now I'll see what the cross is like under the influence of living organics. Hands down...I prefer OD grown in living organics....as long as it's not all beat up etc....

I've grown Romulan OD and ID at the same time...off the same clone...and the OD was slightly better...but the quality of the flowers was much better on the ID....I should mention I was growing "organically" ID at the time. No comparison on yields though lol....the OD made the ID look silly. Romulan gets big OD....also did the same experiment with AK47....AK47 OD is an amazing plant. That was a good year....frost held off....really nice bonus plants.

I agree totally with you about the clones...the less you mess with them....the better off you are. I've tried about every way...even have a really nice aero cloner.....what a pain in the ass....water temps etc....fuck all that. It's been sitting for years. But then again...I hate cloning.

 

[unclefishstick]

thats funny,cause after a summer of playing with a chem nute hydroponic system i am convinced its way more gross than organics,a little sludge is better than crusty salty residue on everything in my book,and no matter how potentially insane the results of hydroponics may be i have also helplessly watched plants shrivel and die in 48 hrs in hydro,give me back my dirt!!


i want to try a nice greenhouse grow,seems the besst of both worlds,indoor buds almost always seem to be better and prettier for lack of a better word,but i will grow someting outdoors next year,be it guerrilla style in the mountains or in the backyard,i will use the sun...

 

[THE PABLOS]

Word...I can see how salt can give you the chills. Here's the thing....I love my salts....I don't know why...but seeing the salts run off....or collect on the coco surface...doesn't bother me. I just wipe them away like you would wipe the face of a child. I like the ability to turn nutrients on and off with just a quick flush...if on...with salts...if off...without any salts or without specific salts.

Greenhouses are my dream....that is the answer. If I had the greenhouse of my dreams....it would be on like Donkey Kong.

 

[KarmasWheele]

Im a fan of the mutant....I also dont mind salt based nutes..........A good flush is all it takes.........

 

[unclefishstick]

i was thinking of giving organic coco a try,i am impressed with what hydroponics can do,i had a cut i put into a little DWC unit i made and ran liquid organic nutes in that,and that little cut just went berserk! i raided it for cuts and still ended up with a huge bush so it got transitioned into a 5 gallon on the chem nutes and it didnt bat an eye,strong plant tho...
my skin is cracked from being in the nutes all the time and more than once the ph down has splashed on me and burned me...dunno,every way has its ups and downs,i like organic soil because i know the biology of what is happening,and can steer that ship better than a hydrosytem,slow and steady is more my way,chem hydro is like a speedboat,one slip and bam!

 

[THE PABLOS]

Flush Flush Flush....may cost you a little on yields but flushing rules..lol...cheap and as simple as it gets. It always amazes me how some growers feed to within mere days of harvest...doesn't buy them anything but goo at the base of the bowl and sparks off the herb lol...there is a serious lack of understanding when it comes to flushing...and nutrients in general. It really is all about salts....inorganic or otherwise.

More is not better unless you are talking about flushing. Flush those girls off the vine...let them manicure themselves if possible...makes my life easier. My White Fly population tells me when to harvest....lol...seriously..they mack on dying plants and I believe they may help turn them over faster. Don't quote me.

 

[THE PABLOS]

i was thinking of giving organic coco a try,i am impressed with what hydroponics can do,i had a cut i put into a little DWC unit i made and ran liquid organic nutes in that,and that little cut just went berserk! i raided it for cuts and still ended up with a huge bush so it got transitioned into a 5 gallon on the chem nutes and it didnt bat an eye,strong plant tho...
my skin is cracked from being in the nutes all the time and more than once the ph down has splashed on me and burned me...dunno,every way has its ups and downs,i like organic soil because i know the biology of what is happening,and can steer that ship better than a hydrosytem,slow and steady is more my way,chem hydro is like a speedboat,one slip and bam!

Well uncle...I where rubber gloves when I mix....and I wore rubber gloves plus a respirator when I mixed my organic blends (blood and bone meal)....I'm not sure about any of the liquid organic stuff...some is semi organic at best....others use Bat poo...which I'm totally opposed to...for the good of the bat population. This whole organics movement is not all it's cracked up to be imo.

I do grow as...world on a string....but I'm hand watering....know my mixes and PH....not much can go wrong with that department....if it does...I know what to do...flush. I'm pretty in tune to my water and don't hardly measure anything...more like...a dash here...a dash there...that's my mix....but I can always flush and start back over at any time. That's the simplicity and the beauty of coco and the recipe. Ideally coco systems should run off a constant drip.

 

[unclefishstick]

stress does help them finish fast! i agree with the flushing,i did a two week flush with full bucket swaps every few days and it really showed in the clean white ash,but that was never a problem in organic soil,it always burned cleanly,but like you said,my garden my way,you get to do whatever you want in your space,i know i have adopted more than one of your methods,so keep doing what you do...

 

[KarmasWheele]

I flush for 14 days when possible I have taken plants with as little as 5 days flush and there was a slight difference in the overall end product.......most probly wouldn't notice.....but I am a stickler for details i guess......

 

[KarmasWheele]

damn you each posted before I had a chance to write my responce to flushing call me slo draw mc graw

 

[THE PABLOS]

14 days....that's a good window for flush...plant dependent...and I agree most peeps can get by on 5 day flushes and be none the wiser..I still know peeps who don't flush at all. I can't smoke their pot.

 

[THE PABLOS]

stress does help them finish fast! i agree with the flushing,i did a two week flush with full bucket swaps every few days and it really showed in the clean white ash,but that was never a problem in organic soil,it always burned cleanly,but like you said,my garden my way,you get to do whatever you want in your space,i know i have adopted more than one of your methods,so keep doing what you do...

I'm glad we all garden different....I take lessons from many that don't even grow as I do...but I'll find something I can incorporate into my system...in the end...we are all doing what we do...most of us...to the best of our abilities. Every system falls short of the glory somewhere in its make up....OD living organics is problematic at times.

 

[unclefishstick]

yes,the general organics line i have been using is made from biocomposted mineral salts and has an omri tag which is like saying it has an energystar rating....

 

[THE PABLOS]

Part of the reason I went with GH....old skool...doesn't mess with what isn't broken...cheap...and I love the smell of fresh Kool Bloom in the morning lol...seriously they have known what plants need for years...I hardly don't see the value of spending more money on the latest and greatest...when the rumored extra yields won't cover the extra cost of the nutes.

I can't understand all the organic regulations...chelated this and that.....I don't see how you can preserve anything organic(talking nutrients for growing) in a bottle for very long...especially in temp swings. Doesn't sound right to me. The stuff must flux in the bottle. I've read labels and talked with folks...but I'm still not sold. That Earth Juice stuff...is gross man...shit in a bottle anyway you look at it.

 

[unclefishstick]

general organics is made by general hydroponics so thats how they do it,they have years and years of experience and the ability to make a very refined end product,so far so good,but it was a sample pack and was free,the classic gh three part is the "house" nute line here...using phosphoload instead of kool bloom tho...