ICMAG Administration endorses The Regulate, Control and Tax Cannabis Act of 2010

[BiG H3rB Tr3E]

are you sure? you must get caught to get fined, you get taxed everytime you make a purchase or am i wrong?

a sales tax is cool and is expected, but why more? because the govt overspends grossly and is using the potheads as a scapegoat and instead of punishing us by making us hide and fining us when we dont. their just cutting out the hassle and fining you when you make your purchase.

peace

What is this, the teabag party? I feel like im watching Glenn Beck hearing all this ridiculous anti tax bullshit...

19 could have no tax, no regulation and the anti's would still find a reason to oppose it.

Its obvious these people aren't anti-19, they are anti-legalization.

I guess I would be against legalization too if I was a mediocre grower who wasn't bright enough to legitimize my industry through a meager amount of regulation...

Its cool, im sure youll end up in jail one day and you can understand why so many people are passionatly fighting to pass 19.

Hopefully, it wont need to come to that...

 

[dagnabit]

FACT: if i say FACT before i tell a lie thats been proven a lie time and again it does not make my lie a FACT

 

[rives]

did it ever occur to you that somebody could oppose government and taxation on PRINCIPLE, and not out of simple greed?

cannabis is not prohibited in california BTW, i know hundreds of people personally who can legally smoke, grow, and possess, without paying taxes...

Wow, what a pompous ass (No, Al, that's not an insult - just a statement of fact). This is a textbook example of situational ethics. This highly principled fellow finds nothing wrong with hiding behind sick people, dragging down their credibility and setting them up for taxation because their med's are most people's recreational drug. How on earth can you possibly twist things up like that?

 

[JJScorpio]

I just want to let people know that it's a bannable offense to post with 2 seperate handles in the same thread. You know who you are so there won't be another warning....

 

[blancorasta]

hey all,

when i read these threads i get the feeling that people seem to forget that this is a California situation. and it seems like people are projecting their situations onto the issue of prop 19.
yes cannabis prohibition is bullshit, and i would welcome true legalization with warm loving open arms. but thats not we have on our plate here as Californians.

why doest it seem that everyone thinks this is a one shot deal or something. i keep reading posts that read as if prop 19 doesnt pass its gonna set some kind of precedence that Cali wont stand for recreational use and it will never happen which is absurd. another bill could always be drafted, put on the ballot and become another proposition. or look at gay marriage. they started getting married. we voted on it we succesfully banned gay marriage and now look whats happening. if voting on an issue doesnt set a precedence on something what short of the supreme court can?

what we have is a propostition based soley and entirly on greed, and the problems i have with it is based on civil liberties.
as a (recent) mmj patient i shouldnt be affected to much by prop 19 as long as it doesnt infringe on prop 215 , which i personally think is nieve to believe.

yet it wasnt long ago i was "legally" only a "recreational" user so im not so disconnected.

here are some things i take acception to

1 the prop limits personal consumption by limiting possesion to an ounce (which is how it is now, except under prop 19 you get taxed everytime instead of fined 1/???,??? times) and cultivation area to 25 square feet. posses or transport any more than an ounce and your in the same boat your in now. use more weed than you can grow in a 5x5 area, and your in the same boat.

how can the govt assert an individuals consumption?

in other words " here is a tiny little snippet of civil right guaranteed to you by the constitution...But your gonna PAY HA HA HA HA HAAAaaa especially if you step out of line"

2 if you cant fully supply yourself or you cant grow some fire; because lets face it if everyone everywhere could all grow some fire ass dank there would be no demad for it which will never happen, you are forced to purchase from certain organizations. or your in the same boat if not worse than you are now

this is were the majority of the greed comes into play

where is the "Free Market" in that equation???

3 it is a sloppy poorly written bill that leaves alot to interpritation and local govt and law inforcement.

why in Cali where anyone who wants a mmj recommendation can get one because herb helps everyone medicinally if they use it right. and thats all thats required history of a condition that can benefit from mmj use, trouble sleeping??? go to your doc and prescribed some sleep aid. take a copie of your medical record and you prescription to a mmj doctor pay your doctor visit and thats it.

if you use weed it undeniably helps you in some way doesnt it? wiether just lifting your mood, maybe you have mild chronic depression??? unwind from stress, or help you sleep. even the average recreational user self medicates with it some way.


and finally 4 the OVER taxation.

like i said before sales tax is cool, local govt has to get funding somehow. but the kind of taxing their taliking about is crazy, in the name of sin and the taboo all because the state cant manage their finances. PROP 19 Does not make recreational cannabis use legal. PROP 19 does give profits to a select few while simultaineously fining Californians for purchasing marijuana on 100% of the transactions; under the pretense of taxation... its a scam, instead the maybe 1 in one thousand times you might get fined and only that often if your unlucky or a dumbass


again i dont like how this prop is written, intended to fool people. you think weed is legal but really only an ounce, which is the same as it is now except basically your going spend an ass load more money on taxes than you ever did on possesion tickets. "AND THATS THE TRUTH...WITH SOME CHEESE ON IT!" LOL easy everybody its a quote from the longest yard

am i wrong?

peace

 

[BiG H3rB Tr3E]

I just want to let people know that it's a bannable offense to post with 2 seperate handles in the same thread. You know who you are so there won't be another warning....

Tell us who they are so we can see these fucking trolls for who they are....

 

[rives]

Has anyone else taken note that virtually all of the attacks based on the clarity and quality of writing in the bill are buried in piles of incomprehensible gibberish? Seems a little odd......

 

[igrowone]

basically your going spend an ass load more money on taxes than you ever did on possesion tickets. AND THATS THE TRUTH...WITH SOME CHEESE ON IT! LOL
... am i wrong?

peace

how much in taxes do you think are going to be assessed?
don't bother replying, you don't know, the current tax proposals on various city ballots seem to run around 5%, 10% the highest at the moment
you don't know the truth, no one does yet

 

[blancorasta]

you have to make a purchase to be taxed on a purchase

im not sure if you are aware but 19 proposes no tax on growing

are you aware that its up to city and county govt to ALLOW you to legally use and grow

and if you do live an area that allows it and you need to grow more than a 5x5 to meet you personal consumtion needs you do need to make a purchase. dude... think man.

how are you ok with someone telling you how much you can have for personal consumption and any more must be with intent to distribute?

and everyone i am not talikng about myself i have a medical recommendation and can fully supply myself legally. but these are civil liberty issuse than need attention. this is like the trojan horse of marijuana reform.

I LOVE WEED, I WISH IT WAS WORTHLESS AND EVERYONE HAD A TON AND WE COULD ALL JUST EAT AND CHILL AND BURN.

SO FUCK ALL OF YOU GUYS WHO ARE TALKIN SHIT ABOUT ME NOT WANTING LEGALIZATION, I WASNT TALKIN ANY SHIT TO ANYONE..... im a chill dude

peace

 

[BiG H3rB Tr3E]

Wow the NO arguments are pathetic. Sounds like I'm debating 15 year old HS kids....

 

[blancorasta]

how much in taxes do you think are going to be assessed?
don't bother replying, you don't know, the current tax proposals on various city ballots seem to run around 5%, 10% the highest at the moment
you don't know the truth, no one does yet

yeah bro ive seen those figures as well and thats for local govt sales tax. not the "sin" tax similar to tobacco and alcohol which ive heard estimated at upwards of 30% which you will pay everytime you buy not everytime you get busted like now. sure the tax will be lower than the fine but its the frequency that makes the diff.

but this is a Cali matter, why are you trying to talk down to people when you hold no relevance?
..huhuhu don't bother replying, you dont know, no one does....JACKASS

peace

 

[blancorasta]

Tell us who they are so we can see these fucking trolls for who they are....

funny...? i thought he was talking about you.


peace

 

[JJScorpio]

So just grow and smoke your own. No one says you have to buy your bud from a store. Honestly, I'd ask that no one ever buy from these taxed stores unless completey necessary. The part of this Bill with merit is it allows you to grow your own and smoke your own Cabbabis.....

 

[Hammerhead]

I have no idea where u het these# for taxes. Everytime I see something like that It's lame40-50% tax I call bullshit

 

[blancorasta]

What is this, the teabag party? I feel like im watching Glenn Beck hearing all this ridiculous anti tax bullshit...

19 could have no tax, no regulation and the anti's would still find a reason to oppose it.

Its obvious these people aren't anti-19, they are anti-legalization.

I guess I would be against legalization too if I was a mediocre grower who wasn't bright enough to legitimize my industry through a meager amount of regulation...

Its cool, im sure youll end up in jail one day and you can understand why so many people are passionatly fighting to pass 19.

Hopefully, it wont need to come to that...

how is any of this relevant to me or what i posted...that you quoted? WTF? i clearly stated im cool with a sales tax.... fucking idoits are really starting to wear me thin

 

[dagnabit]

are you aware that its up to city and county govt to ALLOW you to legally use and grow

please show the language you think says a city can say you cant grow?

and if you do live an area that allows it and you need to grow more than a 5x5 to meet you personal consumtion needs you do need to make a purchase. dude... think man.

if you cant meet your needs in that space you need to read some threads and up your game...

how are you ok with someone telling you how much you can have for personal consumption and any more must be with intent to distribute?

im not ok with it at all..

thats why im voting YES.

SO FUCK ALL OF YOU GUYS WHO ARE TALKIN SHIT ABOUT ME NOT WANTING LEGALIZATION, I WASNT TALKIN ANY SHIT TO ANYONE..... im a chill dude

peace

no your not a "chill dude" you are on the side of EVERY law enforcement agency in california!

you are lying to defeat the only shot we have thats not a "chill dude" that is prohibitionist scum!

 

[igrowone]

yeah bro ive seen those figures as well and thats for local govt sales tax. not the "sin" tax similar to tobacco and alcohol which ive heard estimated at upwards of 30% which you will pay everytime you buy not everytime you get busted like now. sure the tax will be lower than the fine but its the frequency that makes the diff.

but this is a Cali matter, why are you trying to talk down to people when you hold no relevance?
..huhuhu don't bother replying, you dont know, no one does....JACKASS

peace

chill huh?, not so chill apparently
what do you expect when you start posting 'THIS IS THE TRUTH'?, that's talking down to everybody
and if you're determined it's cali only, rock on, no one's putting a gun to your head on how to vote
this is discussion that involves the whole country because the whole country will be affected

 

[blancorasta]

you know there was this guy named ron paul, he ran for president. he was trying to call attention to our countries real issues, monetary reform, our interventious foriegn policy, ending prohibition of all drugs and prostitution. he wanted to reclaim our constitution, bill of rights, and restore liberty to the american people.

all very valid issues pertaining to the welfare of our nation. yet what happend, no one agknowledged his issues, they attack him as a person and put spin to everything and took everything as far out of context as possible.


i did not once say anything negative about anyone or their ideas, i was trying to call to attention things i saw being overlooked in the midst of this that ive read, thought about and figured out to be a problem.

and instead of anyone giving their opinion on any of the questions i posed or anyone supplying any contradictory information. i get a bunch of irrelevant crap, mud slinging and name calling. where was any of that called for?

normally when people disagree they present their points in a civil manner until they either agree to disagree or one makes a point that changes the others mind. who even made an attempt to do that?

its sad really... no wonder this country is near third world

peace

 

[blancorasta]

chill huh?, not so chill apparently
what do you expect when you start posting 'THIS IS THE TRUTH'?, that's talking down to everybody
and if you're determined it's cali only, rock on, no one's putting a gun to your head on how to vote
this is discussion that involves the whole country because the whole country will be affected

notice the LOL at the end and why dont you disagree with me, do you think that you'll spend less money when your taxed on every purchase over being fined on the rare occasion you get pulled over and the cop finds your stash?

 

[dagnabit]

you know there was this guy named ron paul, he ran for president. he was trying to call attention to our countries real issues, monetary reform, our interventious foriegn policy, ending prohibition of all drugs and prostitution. he wanted to reclaim our constitution, bill of rights, and restore liberty to the american people.

all very valid issues pertaining to the welfare of our nation. yet what happend, no one agknowledged his issues, they attack him as a person and put spin to everything and took everything as far out of context as possible.


i did not once say anything negative about anyone or their ideas, i was trying to call to attention things i saw being overlooked in the midst of this that ive read, thought about and figured out to be a problem.

and instead of anyone giving their opinion on any of the questions i posed or anyone supplying any contradictory information. i get a bunch of irrelevant crap, mud slinging and name calling. where was any of that called for?

normally when people disagree they present their points in a civil manner until they either agree to disagree or one makes a point that changes the others mind. who even made an attempt to do that?

its sad really... no wonder this country is near third world

peace

im aware i voted for him..

as for your "questions" they have been answered..

sorry if you feel static but you must understand your on the side of the government on this one and leo to boot...

try reading the thread for the answers you seek..

you can filter myself or herb or any of the other anti prohibition folks if you like..

but please dont claim to be all butt hurt by rough treatment after all you want to vote to put small growers like myself in JAIL!!!!