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Stoner4Life

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I saw that show last night/this morning on the history channel. The experts they had were fairly grounded and knowledgeable. They were not over the top. They protrayed a realistic escape from LA.



I didn't watch it, I actually lived it in the NYC blackout of '77; 26 hours of mayhem.


From WIKIPEDIA

CAUSE:
The events leading up to the blackout began at 8:37 p.m. EDT on July 13 with a lightning strike at Buchanan South, a substation on the Hudson River, tripping two circuit breakers in Westchester County. The Buchanan South substation converted the 345,000 volts of electricity from Indian Point to lower voltage for commercial use. A loose locking nut combined with a tardy upgrade cycle ensured that the breaker was not able to reclose and allow power to flow again.

A second lightning strike caused the loss of two 345 kV transmission lines, subsequent reclose of only one of the lines, and the loss of power from a 900MW nuclear plant at Indian Point. As a result of the strikes, two other major transmission lines became loaded over their normal limits. Per procedure, Con Edison, the power provider for New York City and some of Westchester County, tried to start fast-start generation at 8:45 p.m. EDT; however, no one was manning the station, and the remote start failed.

At 8:55 p.m. EDT, there was another lightning strike, which took out two additional critical transmission lines. As before, only one of the lines was automatically returned to service. This outage of lines from the Sprain Brook substation caused the remaining lines to exceed the long-term operating limits of their capacity. After this last failure, Con Edison had to manually reduce the loading on another local generator at their East River facility, due to problems at the plant. This exacerbated an already dire situation.

EFFECTS:

The blackout occurred when the city was facing a severe financial crisis and its residents were fretting over the Son of Sam murders. The nation as a whole was suffering from a protracted economic downturn and commentators have contrasted the event with the good-natured Where were you when the lights went out? atmosphere of 1965. Some pointed to the financial crisis as a root cause of the disorder, others noted the hot July weather. (The city at the time was in the middle of a brutal heat wave). Still others pointed out that the 1977 blackout came after businesses had closed and their owners went home, while in 1965 the blackout occurred during the day and owners stayed to protect their property. However, the 1977 looters continued their damage into the daylight hours, with police on alert.

Looting and vandalism were widespread, especially in the African American and Puerto Rican communities, hitting 31 neighborhoods, including every poor neighborhood in the city. Possibly the hardest hit were Crown Heights, where 75 stores on a five-block stretch were looted, and Bushwick where arson was rampant with some 25 fires still burning the next morning. At one point two blocks of Broadway, which separates Bushwick from Bedford-Stuyvesant in Brooklyn, were on fire. Thirty-five blocks of Broadway were destroyed: 134 stores looted, 45 of them set ablaze. Thieves stole 50 new Pontiacs from a Bronx car dealership. In Brooklyn, youths were seen backing up cars to targeted stores, tying ropes around the stores' grates, and using their cars to pull the grates away before looting the store. While 550 police officers were injured in the mayhem, 4,500 looters were arrested.

Mayor Abe Beame spoke during the blackout about what citizens were up against during the blackout and what the costs would be.

"We've seen our citizens subjected to violence, vandalism, theft and discomfort. The Blackout has threatened our safety and has seriously impacted our economy. We've been needlessly subjected to a night of terror in many communities that have been wantonly looted and burned. The costs when finally tallied will be enormous."

Because of the power failure, LaGuardia and Kennedy airports were closed down for about eight hours, automobile tunnels were closed because of lack of ventilation, and 4,000 people had to be evacuated from the subway system. Con Ed called the shutdown an "act of God", enraging Mayor Beame, who charged that the utility was guilty of "gross negligence." In many neighborhoods, veterans of the 1965 blackout headed to the streets at the first sign of darkness. But many of them did not find the same spirit. In poor neighborhoods across the city, looting and arson erupted. On streets like Brooklyn's Broadway the rumble of iron store gates being forced up and the shattering of glass preceded scenes of couches, televisions, and heaps of clothing being paraded through the streets by looters at once defiant, furtive and gleeful. "The looters were looting other looters, and the fists and the knives were coming out," Carl St. Martin, a neurologist in Forest Hills, Queens, recalled years later. A third-year medical student living in Bushwick when the blackout hit, recalled he spent the night suturing a succession of angry wounds at Wyckoff Heights Hospital. Before the lights came back on, even Brooks Brothers on Madison Avenue was looted. On 17 July, the first Sunday after the blackout, a priest named Gabriel Santacruz looked out at the congregation in St. Barbara's Church in Bushwick and jokingly referred to the "act of God", declared by Ed when he said, "We are without God now."

In all, 1,616 stores were damaged in looting and rioting. 1,037 fires were responded to, including 14 multiple-alarm fires. In the largest mass arrest in city history, 3,776 people were arrested. Many had to be stuffed into overcrowded cells, precinct basements and other makeshift holding pens. A Congressional study estimated that the cost of damages amounted to a little over US$300 million.

Shea Stadium went dark at approximately 9:30 p.m., in the bottom of the sixth inning, with Lenny Randle at bat. The New York Mets were losing 2-1 against the Chicago Cubs. Jane Jarvis, Shea's Organist and "Queen of Melody", played Jingle Bells and White Christmas. The game was completed on September 16, with the Cubs winning 5-2.

By 1:45 p.m. the next day, service was restored to half of Consolidated Edison's customers, mostly in Staten Island and Queens. It was not until 10:39 p.m. on July 14 that the entire city's power was back online. The City was later given over $11 million dollars by the Carter administration to pay for the damages of the blackout.



when the masses are done fighting amongst themselves, looting all the homes & stores that they can and stealing from each other they'll think about the food in the country. and that'd be their last mistake.
 

NOKUY

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Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote! -Benjamin Franklin
 

RoachClip

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Everyone thought the world would collapse to when the year 2000 came & went without any major disasters.

I have a safe panic room when I purchased this old house and reconstructed the safe room that was build in the late 50's and updated the electrical and heating & plumbing
and added a storage cabinet for canned foods.
 

SpasticGramps

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2000 was some silly Y2K computer nonsense. This is a macro-economic meltdown. Austrian economists and political scientists outside the United States have been discussing this for a long time.
 

RoachClip

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I agree with you Spas, I was merely brining up a point and the fall of the world's economy has been decaying now for some time and with some attention maybe things will get better as we all share the same concerns globally.
 

med_breeder

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A guy who lives a couple of houses away is a big time survivalist type. He has alot of info. I would not call him paranoid. Some stock up for natural disasters, he stocks up for political reasons. We have had countless night till dawn conversations just on this topic. The other day he asked me " In the next 5 years do you think there will be a 3-7 day period where you and your family will be shut off from the system."

well yes.

Some prep for the end of the world.
If anything, this thread should inspire people to be able to bunker down for at least a week.

There is great info in this thread.

We owe it to ourselves and all we love to be able to absorb a brief "hiccup" in the system.

peace.
 

ibjamming

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The United States just last week officially entered bankruptcy...last week the "fed" started "buying treasuries"...in essence...the United States last week started using one "credit card" to pay off another "credit card"...we ALL know where THAT leads.

Have you noticed gold/silver prices? Oil? Commodities? They're going up because the value of the dollar is going down...because the fed keeps printing more money. It's not the value of the product going up...it's the value of your money going down as they "dilute" it by printing more.

Luckily, I still have my food, silver coins, and ammunition from the last brush with oblivion.

The government is printing money like the Germans did...prices ARE going up my friends...this winter...watch out! Oil is almost $90 a barrel, expect $3+ gas in a few weeks...

We gave too many too much for too long...it's time to "pay up", yet we can't. In just 5 years, EVERY man woman and childs "share" of the national debt has doubled to about $50,000 each.

Good luck to us all!
 

cannadelic

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so when this goes down are people still buying weed, or what?

good question, in every depression people have always found the money or means to support their vices & yes I'm considering toking a vice but of course in many cases a needed medication.

whether or not you want to accept currency or gold for your weed or barter for needed goods is up to you. fine cannabis will always have a market.
 

mtbazz

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Im reasonably well prepared. At any given time I probably have at least a months worth of food and drinking water stored up, have access to guns and ammo (not the magazine). I usually have a few g's in cash laying around, but i needed a new vehcile so those reserves are temporarily depleted. When I can I will probably supplement those with gold bullion.

Id like to add a generator or solar panels to my house also...and since I have the land may try my hand at a small garden this year.


I really think more people need to think about this. It doesnt take much for people to be put into an emergency situation where it is hard to get the basics. Could be anything from a couple of bad storms to something more serious like some kind disease outbreak.
 

Hammerhead

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I dont see this happening the SSDI part of the gov would be leaving millions of dissabled people to die in there beds. Wont happen
 

hunt4genetics

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The next big "Event" (sory for using that term) I'm sure won't be a big deal. I'm sure it may be a bump in the road. i.e. Opec raises the price of oil 10 bucks a barrel etc.

The reaction will be where the issue may develop.
You may be sane, but if everyone is cleaning out the super market, you may feel obliged to join in. If there is a run on the banks, you may be rational but...


The point I'm making,
There may be a temporary bump in the system, not by an event but by the masses reaction to it.

You may have all the confidence in the world in the system,
but you can't predict the reactions of others.

prepare not just for yourself, but for others.
 
who knows whats the best stuff to stock up on.
Gold and silver looks a good bet, as does possibly buying chinese yuan, as china just agreed to stop artifically keeping it low for trade purposes
 

hunt4genetics

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Can someone advise me on great surivalist forum. One that is not racist or politically driven. Does anyone know a site that just gives info. A site that starts with the basics. A site that has a warm community similar to icmag.

Thank you in advance.
 
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