Growers are just saying NO to pot legalization

[215forLife]

No instead of giving money to people smart enough to get a medical degree you would rather help pay the salaries of the cops and politicians.

 

[Frozenguy]

BTW, as moldyfrogtoe pointed out, cannabis is in fact legal now.

 

[215forLife]

Moldy it might be easy to say that shit behind your computer but if it weren't for the old school there would not be a single med legal state in the union.

 

[MoldyFrogToe]

No, recreational use is not legal, frozenguy.

I don't give a shit if Peron walked on water, 215forlife - his unrealistic views of refusing any taxation or regulation are fucking stupid.

 

[Frozenguy]

I can grow 3lbs in a 5x5 done it amny times. Thats enough for me. and that every 2-3 month. I ont be paying any taxes.

With the strains I grow, I can't get 3lbs out of 25sqft. And most people can't. And it will push people away from growing when they try, but can't yield enough from 25sq feet.

And btw, if you lived with others, you will have to share that 25sqft. So if you live with one other person, that drops down to 1.5 pounds every 2-3 months for you. Which you may be fine with, but I'm not.

 

[Hammerhead]

I dont live with otheres and if the others have recs we all can grow. So do 2lbs if you can do 3. 2lbs every 2-3 moths is aloot of smoke. I DONT THINK IT WILL PUSH ANYONW AWAY. it will only make them more determind to yield more

 

[215forLife]

Dennis has stated (to me) that reasonable taxation of incomes derived from Cannabis and a taxation of the retail sale at the same rate as any other nondurable consumer. How is that unrealistic? Why should cannabis be subject to excessive regulation when dept. of agriculture already has extensive regulations for growing anything that is commercially produced.

 

[215forLife]

Hammerhead its not enough when you need to make Rick Simpson oil. You know the cure for cancer.

 

[Frozenguy]

No, recreational use is not legal, frozenguy.

I don't give a shit if Peron walked on water, 215forlife - his unrealistic views of refusing any taxation or regulation are fucking stupid.

So what is legal to you? Legal on your terms?

How about this:

No, use of cannabis by a 19 year old is not legal, frozenguy.

Or

No, smoking a joint on your driveway/in your backyard is not legal, frozenguy.

I can come up with many ways cannabis (consumption/cultivation) is still not legal under prop19. So where does it end?

You pointed out the definition was

make (something that was previously illegal) permissible by law

Well in Ca, state law permits it considering you are in need of it medically. Now you want to further that, and say its permitted considering you are over the age of 21, and do it in a private residence without minors present.

Well sir, that isn't enough for me. Just like legal cannabis (for anyone over the age of 18 that can get themselves to a doctor) isn't enough for you.

 

[Hammerhead]

WTF are u talkin about I have oil lots of it. My sister has breast cancer there is no cure so what wall are you bouncing off of

 

[Frozenguy]

I dont live with otheres and if the others have recs we all can grow. So do 2lbs if you can do 3. 2lbs every 2-3 moths is aloot of smoke. I DONT THINK IT WILL PUSH ANYONW AWAY. it will only make them more determind to yield more

Only those that have the time to perfect it. And this is not Hammerheads world. Like I said, you may live by yourself, or be fine with being restricted so much. But others aren't, and they are not selfish for it. It is a completely legitimate concern of mine and many others.

You may have the ability to do so and so, but others wont, dont, or can't.

 

[Hammerhead]

why do you think I left this debate pages ago. There is no way in hell your going to change the mind of the younger generation we old timers don't have any useful info. So I just post when I feel good enough to chat for awhile. both side think they are correct I would call it a stalemate at least here in these threads where no one really wants to listen


I dont feel restricted I can grow undr 19 or 215 so im fine

 

[215forLife]

Hammerhead you just refuse to accept the truth. My guess is that it might have something to do with being on lee's payroll.

 

[Hammerhead]

LOL YA ME AND SAM and T.Hill are all on his payroll. Stupid punk kid HAVE FUN GUYS TIME FOR MY MEDS.

 

[Frozenguy]

I think its just a matter of difference of opinion.


Many points have been agreed upon, the growing limit, the prison terms, the lack of the direct vote by the people pertaining to prohibition of sales in their county, the consumption age (21). Some are ok with, while others arent. There isn't a lack of truth here, but a lack of mutual feelings/goals.

In the end I think we all care about the same thing: Our future/well being and the future/well being of our children, in all aspects of life.

 

[White-rhino]

I could care less if some kid smokes weed. I smoked it from age 14 until now (30+ years), and it hasn't harmed me in the slightest. Besides, adolescence itself is more harmfull to people than weed. Its a failed 19th century experiment, and a waste of about 6 years of your life.

As the Industrial Revolution took hold in the West, adolescence was invented in order to keep middle class teenagers out of factories. Before the 19th Century you were either considered a child or young adult. The average age of going to Princeton University in the Revolutionary War was 13. Benjamin Franklin left home at 13 and was apprenticed to his uncle and began real work. And you were treated with dignity, you had responsibilities and were expected to learn from the adults around as well as to act as one. What we have today is this middle section where kids are bored out of their minds, they are stuck in a failed education system, they are treated as children, and they gravitate to risky behaviors ... Schools are systems where children are taught to be disengaged with society, bored, dull, and not pursuing their own interests.

At 14 I was trying to work full time but the state wouldn't let me. At 15 and up I was ditching and failing high school - to go to the main library and study plants & lighting, for the sole purpose of growing good weed.

I'd rather see my kid out studying how to grow good weed or WORKING than sitting on his ass playing video games all summer.

 

[cannaboy]

God why do I bother, lol?



You say you arent looking for money, and have so much weed that you don't want anymore, yet in your add you say "this is for salary or final yield percentage". Well what the fuck does asking for salary or final yield percentage mean to you?

Normally when someone lies it means they are scamming somewhere. Why not explain to all of us what salary or yield percentage means to you?

It may be to do with the fact he isn't the most efficient grower out there as Sam S was saying,, If he had money he could rent another warehouse 50/100/1000 lamp bare bulb nothing bouncing before home style like the 70's but he can't get any more plant perscription numbers so he's signing up silent partners it seems this Guy needs a Ban,, for breaking TOU

A few months ago he was on the back of a 2nd bad run???? WHAT!!!

 

[JJScorpio]

Kids aren't suppossed to drink until they'r 21, but they do anyways. And they'll smoke pot anyways so what's the argument about?

The bottom line is most people that are protected now (prop 215) don't care about the other 90 percent that aren't legal and could go to jail, even lose their jobs, home and families. You know what, I find this pretty messed up and selfish. It's now all about money. I guess "the cause" ended when the big money began. I guess it shows what type of character some people have. It is, what it is...........

 

[Frozenguy]

Kids aren't suppossed to drink until they'r 21, but they do anyways. And they'll smoke pot anyways so what's the argument about?

The bottom line is most people that are protected now (prop 215) don't care about the other 90 percent that aren't legal and could go to jail, even lose their jobs, home and families. You know what, I find this pretty messed up and selfish. It's now all about money. I guess "the cause" ended when the big money began. I guess it shows what type of character some people have. It is, what it is...........

Just because one or a few people fall inline with that, doesn't mean the whole movement does. I know I'm voting no for non-selfish reasons. In fact, I think some of you voting yes are selfish. Not all, but some of you are.

Whos going to jail btw? Whoever goes to jail in California today for cannabis possesion/consumption, will still go to jail/prison under prop 19.

People who transport (within cali) a personal amount of cannabis under 1 ounce wont go to jail. Probably wont even get a ticket. But they may, and if they do, its $100 bucks. Less then the cannabis itself (usually).

So who's going to jail right now? The ones who REALLY NEED cannabis are getting it fully legal right now. Its the ones that dont NEED cannabis that are pushing for this half assed prop.

The selfish card has been misplayed, and way too much at that.

 

[Phillthy]

lets face it. the price of cannabis is ridiculous. i can not see how some patients afford it. i commend those that are doing their thing for patients and the movement and not raping patients pockets. medical marijuana laws were not supposed to be a ticket to legal drug dealing. they are to help patients get legal access to medical marijuana. when was the last time you went to the pharmacy and got a prescription filled. $70 and you would flip out...LOL. you can get an entire bottle of percocet for pain in generic form for $4. or you could buy an ounce from a dispensary for $400? i know people pay as it is a semi-legal way for them to recreationally smoke pot. they paid that price on teh street illegally and pay it now legally. those arent the people the laws were intended for. they are abusing the system. this should be about getting good medicine recognized and into the peoples hands that need it. i dont think medical marijuana should cost any where near what the street value is. not even close.