BigBudBill
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Nope. SB420 made sure there are protections in place for medical growers. Those limits are the lowest a limit may go for a medical patient.
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Growers are just saying NO to pot legalization
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markscastle
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The backers of prop 19 stated the race would be close in November. With just a small % of smokers and growers voting No in November we could kill prop 19 easy! That`s why you are so afraid and have set out through sites all over the net to promote prop19 so vigerously.You are slowly loosing support for your bill and it`s only July! I exspect more spin and desprite denouncing of peoples worries before this is over. And I don`t expect it to pass! Most props lose support somewhat before they come up for vote and the backers know that,they hoped it would be 2-3 % and from polls I`ve seen at different sites it is more like 33% or 1/3 votes against prop 19. If that is accurate Prop 19 is going down the drain already.;-)
markscastle, Where did I see you nearly 40 years ago? That is quite a while ago...
Here you can Read Prop 19 if you haven't already.
http://www.taxcannabis.org/index.php/pages/initiative/
-SamS
Here you can Read Prop 19 if you haven't already.
http://www.taxcannabis.org/index.php/pages/initiative/
-SamS
markscastle
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Most of sb420 was over turned by the People vs. kelly. Also prop 19 is a vote of the people and would over ride SB420. No safe gaurd there!
markscastle
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That is not the real prop 19 as it would be voted on by the people in November. I`ve read the full unabridged proposed law already and I`m vigorously against it,not just because of what it is trying to do but also because it is so poorly written! It`s a lawers dream when it comes to inforcement!
If you are a med patient and go to court...they are not/can't use prop 19. IF YOU ARE A MEDICAL PATIENT YOU FALL UNDER 215! 19 does nothing to Medical...it even says so.
So markscastle, Please post a link to the current version. I am not connected to the Initiative in any way other then it is something I have wanted all my life.
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Sorry Mark....but I gotta know what your smoking...must be killer!
1st off.."Most" of prop 215...no, just the limits.
2nd..19 does not and cannot override ANYTHING related to 215.
markscastle
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Skunkman at the house in the hills above Santa Cruze at a party at the Haze Bros house.I was the red headed long haired(then young) guy with smoke from Humbolt. Also I was with Tim Leary and Jerry Garcia at the Humbolt Co. Growers Co-Op annual convention on Sept. 1969 I think you were there also?
markscastle
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Porp 19 can not over ride prop 215 or what it says in 215, it`s what it doesn`t say in 215 that prop19 can effect like amounts you can have,transport,grow. Also not being able to smoke meds in public or near children. 215 doesn`t cover any of that but prop19 does and because it is also a vote of the people it could be taken as to apply to medical users also.
markscastle
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http://70.32.87.43/documents/initiative.pdf
There you go!
Opps that`s just propaganda and not what I was looking for..trying again!
http://ag.ca.gov/cms_attachments/initiatives/pdfs/i821_initiative_09-0024_amdt_1-s.pdf Here you go!
Thanks, and I did live in SC in the 1970's and yes I have been up-to Humbolt to their harvest festivals, including 69', I lived there a short time near Garberville. I won several other harvest festivals in N Cal around that time also. Long time ago......
-SamS
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markscastle
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Sams that`s what I always wanted also ,but without all the Taxes,Regulations and Controls!
215forLife
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Markscastle they haven't read page after page of caselaw on 215 and sb420 to understand where a lot of the current med rules and regs we have in California come from. They don't understand the mentality of the prosecutors and cops out here with their let the courts decide mentality. They don't understand that cities are allready trying to add excise taxes to our meds in violation of 215 and 420 and that they need 19 to get away with taxing our meds.
What they don't realize is that SK Seymore LLC is the supporter of this initiative which also happens to be Richard Lee's corp for his dispensaries and school. They don't realize an LLC is a for profit entity, and its illegal for medical cannabis to be sold for a profit. They don't realize Lee needs this to pass so he can keep his ass out of state prison for breaking current laws regarding mmj. My source about his LLC was a sacbee news paper article.
What they don't realize is that SK Seymore LLC is the supporter of this initiative which also happens to be Richard Lee's corp for his dispensaries and school. They don't realize an LLC is a for profit entity, and its illegal for medical cannabis to be sold for a profit. They don't realize Lee needs this to pass so he can keep his ass out of state prison for breaking current laws regarding mmj. My source about his LLC was a sacbee news paper article.
markscastle
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Look I`m not agaisnt dispenceries or them even making a small profit for there services. Not everyone who needs medication can or wants to grow.Not everyone has a care taker that can be trusted and knows how to grow good meds. But these guys from Oaksterdam are just to into the money and profit! What they want is just not in the best intrest of the people! I`d have gone as far as allowing sales taxes on non medical marijuana and allowing dispenceries to sell it. I`d also agree that there should be a limit of grow area of no more than 100 sq foot and holding/transporting no more than 1 lbs. Can`t abide on an age limit of less than 18 though or any new law that could put any person in jail over having ,using, growing,or selling marijuana! As far as smoking in front of children I think that`s up to parents to deside not Goverment. I could even agree on a fine of say $100 for furnishing to a minor child under 16 yrs of age. But that`s the limit if they ever want my vote! As for big biz getting into the supply of marijuana that`s fine as long as small growers can contenue also! Just a fair playing field is all I want to see as far as supply goes!
markscastle
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Truth be told I don`t think Ricard Lee should go to jail ! Not for selling meds to people in need! Not to say he shouldn`t be making a good living but seems he and some other despenceries go to far with the money thing and forget what medical marijuana was about,helping sick people!
We have something that works; 215. We have a proposition 19 that is very, very loose in its wording and you just can't have that. !9 should have made it very, very plain that this would not take precedence over 215 but it did not, the wording is not precise as it should be. Just in San Francisco between the hours of 8 AM and 5 PM there are more lawyers than in the whole of Japan, California is broke and looking for any way to tax the citizen, you have to be careful or you will lose 215 in the courts. Mr. Lee should have made sure that 215 and its provisions for the sick and dying were protected, there should be NO doubt that this was for the commercialization of marijuana for the casual user and had NOTHING to do with 215 which is medical. 215 has been vetted all the way to the state Supreme Court, this would most likely open that up again and 215 would be imperiled.
gdammit, how are so many people tricked into thinking this is a good thing..
just another short step on the road to Orwellian government, giving us everthing we want and need, but asking for so much in return.
seems this is now a left wing vs. right wing debate.
maybe this will CHANGE things even more than obama!!
just another short step on the road to Orwellian government, giving us everthing we want and need, but asking for so much in return.
seems this is now a left wing vs. right wing debate.
maybe this will CHANGE things even more than obama!!
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why is it even in question about Taxing Medical Cannabis. what other meds are taxed? why doesnt someone/or a group of patients march with signs demanding that Taxing Medical Cannabis be removed from prop 19. treat it like all other pharmaceuticals.
patients protesting in front of Mr Lees business' should get media attention.
regardless of changes to prop19 if it passes it will be a HUGE step in the right direction. everyone seems to be skeptical that IF passed the lawmakers will make it worse. why not believe that they will make changes that will benefit the WHOLE Canna community.
patients protesting in front of Mr Lees business' should get media attention.
regardless of changes to prop19 if it passes it will be a HUGE step in the right direction. everyone seems to be skeptical that IF passed the lawmakers will make it worse. why not believe that they will make changes that will benefit the WHOLE Canna community.
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Smoke Buddy
Yeah, lots of us here get it. We have a great system right now. I love the 420/215 laws and the privacy it gives. In my opinion, if someone goes and gets a recomendation for stress relief or pain, they are legit. Most of us are stressed and lots of us are in pain. The mmj laws address this. I submit we all use cannabis medicinally regardless. Its an escape for some, relief for others. The "pot docs" understand this concept so all you less than astute smokers in Cali who dont have a card, go get one. Definitely DO NOT turn our cottage industry over to the state and big business. It wont save their overextended asses anyway. It will be but a drop in the bucket. Thats the reason this is even being considered... they see a industry they havent exploited.. YET.
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