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Bionic

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Here's what SNOPES has to say about 420.

snopes.com: 420

Claim: The term '420' entered drug parlance as a term signifying the time to light up a joint.

Status: True.

Origins: Odd terms sneak into our language every now and then, and this is one of the oddest. Everyone who considers himself in the know about the drug subculture has heard that '420' has something to do with illegal drug use, but when you press them, they never seem to know why, or even what the term supposedly signifies.

It's both more and less than people make it out to be. '420' began its sub-rosa linguistic career in 1971 as a bit of slang casually used by a group of high school kids at San Rafael High School in California. '420' (always pronounced "four-twenty," never "four hundred and twenty") came to be an accepted part of the argot within that group of about a dozen pot smokers, beginning as a reminder of the time they planned to meet to light up, 4:20 p.m. Keep in mind this wasn't a general call to all dope smokers everywhere to toke up at twenty past four every day; it was twelve kids who'd made a date to meet near a certain statue. It's thus incorrect to deem that '420' originated as a national or international dope-smoking time, even though the term began as a reference to a particular time of day.

These days '420' is used as a generic way of declaring one likes to use marijuana or just as a term for the substance itself. Its earliest connotation of having to do with the time a certain group of students congregated to smoke wacky tobaccy is unknown to the overwhelming majority of those who now employ the term. Indeed, most instead believe one or more of the many spurious explanations that have since grown up about this much abused short form:
420 is the penal code section for marijuana use in California.
Nope. Section 420 of the California penal code refers to obstructing entry on public land. The penal codes of other states list different entries for 420, but none of them matches anything having to do with marijuana.
However, on 1 January 2004 the Governor of California signed that state's Senate Bill 420, which regulates marijuana used for medical purposes. This bill comes years after the term '420' was associated with marijuana and indeed its number likely was chosen because of the existing pop culture connection. This is the tail wagging the dog, not the other way around.
It's the Los Angeles or New York police radio code for marijuana smoking in progress.
It's not the police radio code for anything, let alone that.
It's the number of chemical compounds in marijuana.
The number of chemical compounds in marijuana is 315, according to the folks at High Times magazine.
April 20 is the date that Jim Morrison, Jimi Hendrix, or Janis Joplin died.
Though these performers were strongly identified with drug use during their brief lifetimes and the emerging drug culture after their demises, none of them kicked the bucket on April 20. Morrison died on July 3, Hendrix on September 18, and Joplin on October 4.
The 20th of April is the best time to plant marijuana.
There's no one "best time" — that answer would change from one part of the country to another, or even one country to another.
Albert Hofmann took the first deliberate LSD trip at 4:20 on 19 April 1943.
This was indeed the case — his lab notes back this up. But this wasn't the source of "420," just an oddball coincidence. (For the pedants out there, Hofmann's first LSD trip, which was accidental, took place on 16 April 1943.)
It's the code you send to your drug dealer's pager.
Yeah, right. All drug dealers recognize a '420' page as "Please be waiting on the corner with my baggie of wildwood weed."
When the Grateful Dead toured, they always stayed in Room 420.
Untrue, says Grateful Dead Productions spokesman Dennis McNally.
Spurious etymologies and uncertain definition aside, '420' has slipped into a position of semi-respectability within the English lexicon. Various free-wheeling cities annually celebrate "hemp fests" on April 20. There's a 4:20 record label in California, and a band called 4:20. Atlanta's Sweetwater Brewing Co. sells its 420 Pale Ale in supermarkets and opens its doors to the public at 4:20 p.m. Mondays through Thursdays. New York's 420 Tours sells low-cost travel packages to the Netherlands and Jamaica. Highway 420 Radio broadcasts "music for the chemically enhanced." And in 2001, the forReal.org web site of the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services' Center for Substance Abuse Prevention put out a public service document titled, "It's 4:20 — Do You Know Where Your Teen Is?"

420s are routinely slipped into popular movies and television shows. In Fast Times at Ridgemont High the score of the football game was 42-0. Most of the clocks in Pulp Fiction are set to 4:20 (but not all — when the kid receives the watch it's set at 9:00). And there are many other instances, so keep your eyes peeled.

However, as amusing as it is to tie 420 to pot smoking and hunt for it in popular movies, the number has its dark side. Hitler was born on 20 April 1889, and the massacre of 13 victims at Columbine High School in Colorado took place on 20 April 1999.

Barbara "4 and 20 blackbirds" Mikkelson

Last updated: 13 June 2008

The URL for this page is http://www.snopes.com/language/stories/420.asp

Urban Legends Reference Pages © 1995-2010 by Barbara and David P. Mikkelson.
This material may not be reproduced without permission.
snopes and the snopes.com logo are registered service marks of snopes.com.

Sources:
Gaura, Maria Alicia. "Snickering Chic Traces Origin to San Rafael."
San Francisco Chronicle. 20 April 2000 (p. A19).
Hubler, Shawn. "The Inside Dope on '420' Buzz."
The Los Angeles Times. 20 April 2002 (p. A19).
St. Petersburg Times. "True Reefer Madness."
20 April 2002 (p. D1).

Instead of a statue, I heard it was a wall and the group of kids were referred to as The Waldos. Actually, I saw it in a video where they interviewed one of the original Waldos.

And the Huffington Post backs up my take on it.

420 Meaning: The True Story Of How April 20 Became 'Weed Day'

First Posted: 04-20-10 12:29 AM | Updated: 04-20-10 12:37 PM

This piece was first published last year on April 20.

Warren Haynes, the Allman Brothers Band guitarist, routinely plays with the surviving members of the Grateful Dead, now touring as The Dead. He's just finished a Dead show in Washington, D.C. and gets a pop quiz from the Huffington Post.

Where does 420 come from?

He pauses and thinks, hands on his side. "I don't know the real origin. I know myths and rumors," he says. "I'm really confused about the first time I heard it. It was like a police code for smoking in progress or something. What's the real story?"

Depending on who you ask, or their state of inebriation, there are as many varieties of answers as strains of medical bud in California. It's the number of active chemicals in marijuana. It's teatime in Holland. It has something to do with Hitler's birthday. It's those numbers in that Bob Dylan song multiplied.

The origin of the term 420, celebrated around the world by pot smokers every April 20th, has long been obscured by the clouded memories of the folks who made it a phenomenon.

The Huffington Post chased the term back to its roots and was able to find it in a lost patch of cannabis in a Point Reyes, California forest. Just as interesting as its origin, it turns out, is how it spread.

It starts with the Dead.

It was Christmas week in Oakland, 1990. Steven Bloom was wandering through The Lot - that timeless gathering of hippies that springs up in the parking lot before every Grateful Dead concert - when a Deadhead handed him a yellow flyer.

"We are going to meet at 4:20 on 4/20 for 420-ing in Marin County at the Bolinas Ridge sunset spot on Mt. Tamalpais," reads the message, which Bloom dug up and forwarded to the Huffington Post. Bloom, then a reporter for High Times magazine and now the publisher of CelebStoner.com and co-author of Pot Culture, had never heard of "420-ing" before.

The flyer came complete with a 420 back story: "420 started somewhere in San Rafael, California in the late '70s. It started as the police code for Marijuana Smoking in Progress. After local heads heard of the police call, they started using the expression 420 when referring to herb - Let's Go 420, dude!"

Bloom reported his find in the May 1991 issue of High Times, which the magazine found in its archives and provided to the Huffington Post. The story, though, was only partially right.

It had nothing to do with a police code -- though the San Rafael part was dead on. Indeed, a group of five San Rafael High School friends known as the Waldos - by virtue of their chosen hang-out spot, a wall outside the school - coined the term in 1971. The Huffington Post spoke with Waldo Steve, Waldo Dave and Dave's older brother, Patrick, and confirmed their full names and identities, which they asked to keep secret for professional reasons. (Pot is still, after all, illegal.)

The Waldos never envisioned that pot smokers the world over would celebrate each April 20th as a result of their foray into the Point Reyes forest. The day has managed to become something of a national holiday in the face of official condemnation. This year's celebration will be no different. Officials at the University of Colorado at Boulder and University of California, Santa Cruz, which boast two of the biggest smoke outs, are pushing back. "As another April 20 approaches, we are faced with concerns from students, parents, alumni, Regents, and community members about a repeat of last year's 4/20 'event,'" wrote Boulder's chancellor in a letter to students. "On April 20, 2009, we hope that you will choose not to participate in unlawful activity that debases the reputation of your University and degree, and will encourage your fellow Buffs to act with pride and remember who they really are."

But the Cheshire cat is out of the bag. Students and locals will show up at round four, light up at 4:20 and be gone shortly thereafter. No bands, no speakers, no chants. Just a bunch of people getting together and getting stoned.

The code often creeps into popular culture and mainstream settings. All of the clocks in Pulp Fiction, for instance, are set to 4:20. In 2003, when the California legislature codified the medical marijuana law voters had approved, the bill was named SB420.

"We think it was a staffer working for [lead Assembly sponsor Mark] Leno, but no one has ever fessed up," says Steph Sherer, head of Americans for Safe Access, which lobbied on behalf of the bill. California legislative staffers spoken to for this story say that the 420 designation remains a mystery, but that both Leno and the lead Senate sponsor, John Vasconcellos, are hip enough that they must have known what it meant. (If you were involved with SB420 and know the story, email me.)

The code pops up in Craig's List postings when fellow smokers search for "420 friendly" roommates. "It's just a vaguer way of saying it and it kind of makes it kind of cool," says Bloom. "Like, you know you're in the know, but that does show you how it's in the mainstream."

The Waldos do have proof, however, that they used the term in the early '70s in the form of an old 420 flag and numerous letters with 420 references and early '70s post marks. They also have a story.

It goes like this: One day in the Fall of 1971 - harvest time - the Waldos got word of a Coast Guard service member who could no longer tend his plot of marijuana plants near the Point Reyes Peninsula Coast Guard station. A treasure map in hand, the Waldos decided to pluck some of this free bud.

The Waldos were all athletes and agreed to meet at the statue of Loius Pasteur outside the school at 4:20, after practice, to begin the hunt.

"We would remind each other in the hallways we were supposed to meet up at 4:20. It originally started out 4:20-Louis and we eventually dropped the Louis," Waldo Steve tells the Huffington Post.

The first forays out were unsuccessful, but the group kept looking for the hidden crop. "We'd meet at 4:20 and get in my old '66 Chevy Impala and, of course, we'd smoke instantly and smoke all the way out to Pt. Reyes and smoke the entire time we were out there. We did it week after week," says Steve. "We never actually found the patch."

But they did find a useful codeword. "I could say to one of my friends, I'd go, 420, and it was telepathic. He would know if I was saying, 'Hey, do you wanna go smoke some?' Or, 'Do you have any?' Or, 'Are you stoned right now?' It was kind of telepathic just from the way you said it," Steve says. "Our teachers didn't know what we were talking about. Our parents didn't know what we were talking about."

It's one thing to identify the origin of the term. Indeed, Wikipedia and Urban Dictionary already include references to the Waldos. The bigger question: How did 420 spread from a circle of California stoners across the globe?

As fortune would have it, the collapse of San Francisco's hippie utopia in the late '60s set the stage. As speed freaks, thugs and con artists took over The Haight, the Grateful Dead picked up and moved to the Marin County hills - just blocks from San Rafael High School.

"Marin Country was kind of ground zero for the counter culture," says Steve.

The Waldos had more than just a geographic connection to the Dead. Mark Waldo's father took care of real estate for the Dead. And Waldo Dave's older brother, Patrick, managed a Dead sideband and was good friends with bassist Phil Lesh. Patrick tells the Huffington Post that he smoked with Lesh on numerous occasions. He couldn't recall if he used the term 420 around him, but guessed that he must have.

The Dead, recalls Waldo Steve, "had this rehearsal hall on Front Street, San Rafael, California, and they used to practice there. So we used to go hang out and listen to them play music and get high while they're practicing for gigs. But I think it's possible my brother Patrick might have spread it through Phil Lesh. And me, too, because I was hanging out with Lesh and his band when they were doing a summer tour my brother was managing."

The band that Patrick managed was called Too Loose To Truck and featured not only Lesh but rock legend David Crosby and acclaimed guitarist Terry Haggerty.

The Waldos also had open access to Dead parties and rehearsals. "We'd go with [Mark's] dad, who was a hip dad from the '60s," says Steve. "There was a place called Winterland and we'd always be backstage running around or onstage and, of course, we're using those phrases. When somebody passes a joint or something, 'Hey, 420.' So it started spreading through that community."

Lesh, walking off the stage after a recent Dead concert, confirmed that Patrick is a friend and said he "wouldn't be surprised" if the Waldos had coined 420. He wasn't sure, he said, when the first time he heard it was. "I do not remember. I'm very sorry. I wish I could help," he said.

Wavy-Gravy is a hippie icon with his own ice cream flavor and has been hanging out with the Dead for decades. HuffPost spotted him outside the concert. Asked about the origin of 420, he suggested it began "somewhere in the foggy mists of time. What time is it now? I say to you: eternity now."

As the Grateful Dead toured the globe through the '70s and '80s, playing hundreds of shows a year - the term spread though the Dead underground. Once High Times got hip to it, the magazine helped take it global.

"I started incorporating it into everything we were doing," High Times editor Steve Hager told the Huffington Post. "I started doing all these big events - the World Hemp Expo Extravaganza and the Cannabis Cup - and we built everything around 420. The publicity that High Times gave it is what made it an international thing. Until then, it was relatively confined to the Grateful Dead subculture. But we blew it out into an international phenomenon."

Sometime in the early '90s, High Times wisely purchased the web domain 420.com.

Bloom, the reporter who first stumbled on it, gives High Times less credit. "We posted that flyer and then we started to see little references to it. It wasn't really much of High Times doing," he says. "We weren't really pushing it that hard, just kind of referencing the phrase."

The Waldos say that within a few years the term had spread throughout San Rafael and was cropping up elsewhere in the state. By the early '90s, it had penetrated deep enough that Dave and Steve started hearing people use it in unexpected places - Ohio, Florida, Canada - and spotted it painted on signs and etched into park benches.

In 1997, the Waldos decided to set the record straight and got in touch with High Times.

"They said, 'The fact is, there is no 420 [police] code in California. You guys ever look it up?'" Blooms recalls. He had to admit that no, he had never looked it up. Hager flew out to San Rafael, met the Waldos, examined their evidence, spoke with others in town, and concluded they were telling the truth.

Hager still believes them. "No one's ever been able to come up with any use of 420 that predates the 1971 usage, which they had established. So unless somebody can come up with something that predates them, then I don't think anybody's going to get credit for it other than them," he says.

"We never made a dime on the thing," says Dave, half boasting, half lamenting.

He does take pride in his role, though. "I still have a lot of friends who tell their friends that they know one of the guys that started the 420 thing. So it's kind of like a cult celebrity thing. Two years ago I went to the Cannabis Cup in Amsterdam. High Times magazine flew me out," says Dave.

Dave is now a credit analyst and works for Steve, who owns a specialty lending institution and lost money to the con artist Bernie Madoff. He spends more time today, he says, composing angry letters to the SEC than he does getting high.

The other three Waldos have also been successful, Steve says. One is head of marketing for a Napa Valley winery. Another is in printing and graphics. A third works for a roofing and gutter company. "He's like, head of their gutter division," says Steve, who keeps in close touch with them all.

"I've got to run a business. I've got to stay sharp," says Steve, explaining why he rarely smokes pot anymore. "Seems like everybody I know who smokes daily, or many times in a week, it seems like there's always something going wrong with their life, professionally, or in their relationships, or financially or something. It's a lot of fun, but it seems like if someone does it too much, there's some karmic cost to it."

"I never endorsed the use of marijuana. But hey, it worked for me," says Waldo Dave. "I'm sure on my headstone it'll say: 'One of the 420 guys.'"

Ryan Grim is the author of This Is Your Country On Drugs: The Secret History of Getting High in America, also available at independent bookstores.

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bentom187

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this was intresting,i have a book called mind manipulation ancient and modern ninja techniques.it goes into symboles alot and this is gonna bug some people out,but your brain works by breaking down objects"symbols" it sees into the simplest shape possable a good experiment the author suguests is asking a friend to describe a spiral staircase now he will eventually have to use his finger and make a spiraling motion with it,how long this takes depends on his clairity of thought,but eventually itll happen,so seeing symbols will make you think of related objects or shapes your brain has stored.
another thing is depending on scociety it will make you think different things, also take us the USA we take a old man with a white beard saying he wants you(uncle sam),who else reminds you of a old man with a white beard? most will think of god, in our culture it will inspire pride and nationalisim and in other countries it could inspire deep seeded hatred.
if you think your not being screwed with subconciously everyday,think again.
id be intrested to know what you guys think about freemason symboles and their meanings.
 

Bionic

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id be intrested to know what you guys think about freemason symboles and their meanings.

Oh GOD! NOT AGAIN!!!!

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arcticsun

I doubt HT would contradict their own published material. I was more interested in your take on 420.


No i havent found such a site that talks about this connection, I may have heard this actually from some local tv program way back long ago sometime. To be honest i never searched for it either.

However, protestant marches on 419 is not hard to document. You can imagine naturally that during the 17th and 18th century opposition towards the church in the form of protesting was punished severely, much more severely then today and also information regarding such historical protests are suppressed. But the tradition lives on among protestant communities, especially on the British isles where a number of movements march the streets.
Naturally the marches was established before the prohibition.


RED HAND DEFENDERS NEWTONSTEWART@EASTER MONDAY: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aYUIFPtDGgU&feature=related
 
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arcticsun

just some more examples of what april 19 is


The April Revolution, sometimes called the April 19 Revolution or April 19 Movement, was a popular uprising in April 1960, led by labor and student groups, which overthrew the autocratic First Republic of South Korea under Syngman Rhee. It led to the peaceful resignation of Rhee and the transition to the Second Republic. The events were touched off by the discovery of a body in Masan Harbor, that of a student killed by a tear-gas shell in demonstrations against the elections of March.



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Tue Apr 20, 2010 4:01pm EDT

BANGKOK - Thailand's "red shirt" protesters called off a march to Bangkok's business district on Tuesday after the army warned they would face bullets and tear gas, but they threatened to stay in a shopping district "indefinitely"

As night fell, thousands of supporters of ousted premier Thaksin Shinawatra gathered across an intersection from the business district, using firecrackers to taunt hundreds of riot police and troops, many armed with M-16 assault rifles.

The red shirts also tightened security in the shopping district they have occupied for 18 days, raising tensions in a bloody six-week protest demanding new elections.

At least two luxury hotels in the shopping district announced they had closed for the rest of this week for safety reasons.

"We will stay here indefinitely," Nattawut Saikua, a protest leader, told reporters in the Rachaprasong district of high-end department stores and luxury hotels, adding they would only hold a rally at a second site in the business area if soldiers leave.

He called off the march after comments by an army spokesman who said troops would be tougher and use weapons if provoked.

Analysts say the protest has evolved into a dangerous standoff between the army and a rogue military faction that supports the red shirts and includes retired generals allied with twice-elected and now fugitive former premier Thaksin.

Despite the tensions, Thai stock prices rallied after falling 8.23 percent since clashes between troops and demonstrators on April 10 that killed 25 people. Foreign investors resumed buying this week, pushing the index up 5.7 percent on Tuesday, its biggest one-day gain in 15 months.

Brokers attributed the surge to a combination of factors: bargain hunting by foreign investors of Thailand's recently beaten-down shares, along with news the red shirts were calling off their march to the business district -- a development that pushed the market up significantly in the afternoon.

Analysts, however, doubt the rally indicates a new trend given few signs of a political compromise.

Swiss wealth manager Julius Baer urged its clients to stay on the sidelines. "Uncertainty remains very high in the short-term and this alone will prevent the market from recovering significantly until a clearer political outcome emerges," it said in a note to clients.

BIG TROOP PRESENCE

While the protesters canceled their march to the business district, hundreds remained at the entrance to it, where they had stockpiled sharpened bamboo poles, bricks and bottle rockets.

Several thousand other red shirts were dug in at the shopping district, about 2 kms (1.2 miles) away.

"We can no longer use the soft to hard steps," army spokesman Colonel Sansern Kaewkamnerd told reporters. "If they try to break the line, we will start using tear gas, and if they do break the line, we need to use weapons to deal with them decisively."

He said some protesters were armed with petrol bombs, boards, grenades and dangerous acids.

Late on Monday, Prime Minister Abhisit Vejjajiva again rejected demands to call an election he would almost certainly lose, saying the red shirts must be brought under control.

Both sides want to be in power during a military reshuffle in September. If Thaksin's camp is governing at that time, analysts expect it would bring about major changes by ousting generals allied with Thailand's royalist establishment, a prospect that royalists fear could diminish the power of Thailand's monarchy.

Given the intransigence on both sides after more than a month of protests, analysts fear further violence.

"In all reality, it seems right now that another crackdown is the only way out," said Danny Richards, an analyst at the Economist Intelligence Unit.

The financial toll from the standoff, which has spawned rumors of a putsch in coup-prone Thailand, is growing.

Fitch ratings cut the country's long-term currency credit outlook to negative from stable on Monday.

Hotel occupancy is put at around 20 percent in a country heavily reliant on tourism for jobs.

"There isn't a guest left in our hotel now," said a receptionist at the Holiday Inn, one of the two luxury hotels that closed. "We are closing from (Tuesday) and plan to reopen on April 26 if the situation improves."

Amata Corp, Thailand's biggest seller of industrial land, said on Monday some Japanese clients had delayed signing land deals because of the political unrest.

(Additional reporting by Martin Petty and Viparat Jantraprap; Writing by Jason Szep. Editing by Bill Tarrant)




This is why you cant find much information regarding april 19 protests. Because govt tends to like to literally kill them.
 

Bionic

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I think you're wrong on this one. I don't think they're related. I mean, 4/20 is Hitler's birthday but it doesn't have anything to do with that...unless you're a stoner AND a Nazi. :)
 

bentom187

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my B-day is 10/13 the same day the nights templar were betraid by the king of france and sentenced to die. not that it means anything just intresting to me. id shoot some karma back at ya if i could bionic.
 

bentom187

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"this thread reminds me of those threads where people who haven't studied religion want to talk about god."


congradulations you make internet message thread go off topic NIIIIIIIIIICE
 

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Flying Goat

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Chief Crazy Horse


Misunderstood By:
Clueless white people.


The real kicker is that Crazy Horse refused to be photographed in his life, and was so adamant about it that no images of him are believed to exist. So, carving a 563-foot tall sculpture of him that dominates the Great Plains actually kind of serves as the most elaborate "fuck you" ever conceived by mankind.

You have NO idea how correct you are!

A close second in quality & intensity of insult would be the 7th Air Cavalry's landing of their helicopters Memorial Day Weekend (in the middle of fucking nowhere & for no understandable purpose) on the grave sites of Native Americans who died at Wounded Knee... That was a gut-kicker, for sure...

But, of course, it received no coverage by our zombie media...
 

Grat3fulh3ad

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Uh, ok. If it had been me I would have just admitted to it, but since that's your response I'll just chalk it up lacking foresight and awareness of one's own comment's.

and I'll chalk up your intentional mischaracterization of me and my posts to simple blind hatred, jealousy and intentional deception.

:jerkit:
 
Just another typical political thread from you...throw in some condescending bullshit remarks and VOILA!

Another head thread :laughing:

Wanna try yet another edit?

lol
Funny, because I got the feeling that you're the one who's being condescending... Ironic?

Another thought provoking thread by Gratefulhead. thumbsuppers
 

Grat3fulh3ad

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Not sure about Crazy Horse, but the sculpter responcible for Mt.Rushmore is Gutzon Borglum.
Yes Borglum was the head sculptor.
Korczak Ziółkowski moved to West Hartford, Connecticut, to begin life as a professional artist. He began to sell commissioned sculpture throughout New England, Boston, and New York. In 1939, he assisted Gutzon Borglum in the carving of the Mt. Rushmore Memorial in South Dakota's Black Hills, near Keystone.
 

angel4us

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nice post grateful nice replies trolls cant get people on your threads so trash up on somebody elses ----nice
 

Grat3fulh3ad

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No i havent found such a site that talks about this connection, I may have heard this actually from some local tv program way back long ago sometime. To be honest i never searched for it either.

In other words you are pushing a concept you are hardly familiar with, and calling people liars without anything to back up the accusation... because you saw a TV show... lol... If it's on TV it must be true, eh?
 

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