8 Historic Symbols That Mean The Opposite of What You Think

[arcticsun]

You dont seem to grasp what it means that ancient troy was in Scandinavia and not in the mediterranean.


You are just full of it actually and not following me at all. Think that does not mean civilization? Think the fact that they were acredited to having brought religion to a huge geographic region does not mean civilization?

You burp dogma and post up a shit load of posts about suppression of information.

 

[arcticsun]

Also you are a shitbag who likes to drag conversations down to personal levels.


outtie.. peace to the world!

 

[Grat3fulh3ad]

I grasp everything you're saying... I just discount the portion that is insubstantial speculation. Some of the hypothesis you present are interesting... but far from provable.

you been using personal jabs and/or spouting dogma with your every post, all the while posing as though you possess superior understanding, so piss off with the feigned indignant whining....

 

[Grat3fulh3ad]

there is very much overlapping historical and archaeological evidence that troy was in turkey.

I do not dismiss your theories out of hand, but the evidence contrary to your theories makes simply accepting them as the true story impossible.

The Greeks and Romans took for a fact the historicity of the Trojan War and the identity of Homeric Troy with the site in Anatolia. Alexander the Great, for example, visited the site in 334 BC and made sacrifices at tombs there associated with the Homeric heroes Achilles and Patroclus.

Troy VII, in the mound at Hisarlik, is an archaeological layer of Troy representing late Hittite Empire to Neo-Hittite times (ca. 1300 to 950 BC). It was a walled city with towers reaching a height of nine meters; the foundations of one of its bastions measure 18 meters by 18 meters. Manfred Korfmann, who excavated the site in the 1980s, estimated the area of Troy VII at 200,000 square metres or more and put its population at five to ten thousand inhabitants, which makes it "by the standards of its day a large and important city".

The city of the archaeological layer known as Troy VIIa, which has been dated on the basis of pottery styles to the mid- to late-13th century BC, lasted for about a century, with a destruction layer at ca. 1190 BC. It is the most often-cited candidate for the Troy of Homer and is believed to correspond to Assuwan Wilusa known from Hittite sources dating to the period of roughly 1300–1250 BC.
Further information: Alaksandu, Trojan language
These dates correspond closely to the mythical chronology of Greece as calculated by classical authors, placing the construction of the walls of Troy by Poseidon, Apollo and Aeacus at 1282 BC and the sack of Troy by the Greeks at 1183 BC.
Troy VIIa appears to have been destroyed by a war, perhaps the source of the legendary Trojan War, and there are traces of a fire. Partial human remains were found in houses and in the streets, and near the north-western ramparts a human skeleton with skull injuries and a broken jawbone. Three bronze arrowheads were found, two in the fort and one in the city.

 

[arcticsun]

You caught the reference to the migrants reconstructing the old world right?


As they did when they built America on model from Rome.

 

[Grat3fulh3ad]

how far off topic are you trying to drag this thread?

maybe you should start your own thread "a scandinavian perspective of world history" or some such...

 

[DiscoBiscuit]

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Grat3fulh3ad again.

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[jhaak]

The Caduceus is a widely misunderstood symbol

 

[Grat3fulh3ad]

The Caduceus is a widely misunderstood symbol

indeed

http://www.drblayney.com/Asclepius.html

 

[JacuzziSplot]

People commonly see 911 as an attack out of the clear blue sky.

That feud has been ongoing for a while now. We aren't really making it much better by "responding". It's odd that nobody really thought the attacks on our soil were in response to anything.

It may be a stretch but it crossed my mind

The root of 9/11 started with An American Cruiser shooting down Iranian flight 655 carrying many revered Muslim religious leaders on pilgrimage to the holy land. The Captain of the Cruiser got a medal as well as the soldier who took the shot and the government refused to apologize.

Medals awarded
While issuing notes of regret over the loss of human life, the U.S. government has, to date, neither admitted any wrongdoing or responsibility in this tragedy, nor apologized, but continues to blame Iranian hostile actions for the incident. The men of the Vincennes were all awarded combat-action ribbons. Commander Lustig, the air-warfare coordinator, even won the navy's Commendation Medal for "heroic achievement", his "ability to maintain his poise and confidence under fire" having enabled him to "quickly and precisely complete the firing procedure." According to a 23 April 1990 article printed in The Washington Post, the Legion of Merit was presented to Captain Rogers and Lieutenant Commander Lustig for their performance in the Persian Gulf on 3 July 1988. The citations did not mention the downing of the Iran Air flight at all.

The incident continued to overshadow U.S.-Iran relations for many years. Following the explosion of Pan Am Flight 103 six months later, the British and American governments initially blamed the PFLP-GC, a Palestinian militant group backed by Syria, with assumptions of assistance from Iran in retaliation for Iran Air Flight 655. The blame was later shifted to Libya.
Vice President George H. W. Bush (later President of United States of America) declared a month later,
"I will never apologize for the United States of America, ever. I don't care what the facts are."
Newsweek, August 15, 1988http://www.iranchamber.com/history/articles/shootingdown_iranair_flight655.php

 

[JacuzziSplot]

In response to Articsun and GratefulHead's debate all non sub-Saharan Africans and Aboriginal people first came from the Kada Gona river tribe in Ethiopia according to DNA evidence they were the only group of people to make it out of Africa either across the dessert into Egypt or across the sea to Yemen. Evidence of Farming, construction, and religion begins poping up around 12,000 bc in the area of modern day Turkey, Iraq, and Syria.

 

[DiscoBiscuit]

A German archaeologist by the name of Klaus Schmidt has claimed discovery in Turkey of the world's oldest temple. Called Gobekli Tepe, it predates Stonehenge by six thousand years, and Smithsonian magazine writes that "the find upends the conventional view of the rise of civilization:"

http://www.smithsonianmag.com/history-archaeology/gobekli-tepe.html?c=y&page=1#

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[Japanfreakier]

but but that can't be true, what happened happened.

 

[Grat3fulh3ad]

what happened happened.

of course it did, that's fairly obvious and logically unavoidable...
however every eyewitness account contains inaccuracies, and the longer time passes the greater the inaccuracies become...

 

[Japanfreakier]

A bit like the tree in the forest. If man didn't see it it didn't happen and they will say it didn't happen. If they did see it, it might have happened but they will probably make up a story about how it happened.

 

[Grat3fulh3ad]

eye-witnesses that are being 100% honest are still inaccurate.


if a tree dies and falls then the tree is dead and fallen, whether a man ever sees it or not...

 

[Japanfreakier]

I wasn't really talking about trees

 

[Grat3fulh3ad]

right.... 'the tree in the forest' is a metaphor and most any event could be substituted.