Unplugged from the Matrix

[trshunt]

Last fall, I dated a guy who would bring over a different strain of weed every other week. Fortunately, he would also leave a little here and there throughout my house. We broke up a couple of months ago.

Fast forward to this past weekend: I've been smoking the fruits of my labor from my first grow, which was a sativa that I veged for 3 months and flowered for 65 days and ended up yielding WAY more than I need. It's happy, light stuff, that makes tv viewing a hell of a lot funnier. Occasionally, I'll find a hidden treasure in one of my kitchen drawers (remnants of my former affair).

I smoked one of these remnants on Saturday and had the most bizarre trip that I've ever had on weed. It was reminiscent of what I felt on salvia, but without the weird visuals and panicky heart-palpatation feeling. It came on fast and STRONG and felt like I had just unplugged myself from the matrix or something. I couldn't turn off my brain and saw life from a different, much deeper and, truthfully, much more depressing perspective. The high lasted for an entire 3 hours and I was pretty much incapacitated the whole time. If I would have had a conversation with another person during this time, they would have locked me up in the loony bin for having some sort of dissociative disorder

My question to you is this: What the hell did I smoke? And, more importantly, how can I find a seed that combines the knock you off your socks, holy crap, unplugged from the matrix high with a happy, positive, talkative, social high (what I like most about sativas)??? Anyone know of any amazing strains that offer this combo???

 

[Xtensity]

Was the weed sealed in a bag?

If not sealed the THC oxidizes overtime to form CBN.

CBN seems to potentiate THC's disorienting qualities. One may feel more dizzy or drugged or generally messed up but not necessarily higher.

~http://www.a1b2c3.com/drugs/mj028.htm

One of the main reason we dry our buds in the dark is to limit the oxidation of THC to CBN. All light does is speed up the molecules but adding more energy into them, thus speeding up the oxidation we're trying to prevent.

Sounds like you described perfectly being more messed up than high. Though CBN does get you high, it just has about 10% of the potency of THC. So you probably got high with an additonal hefty amount of CBN which made you feel really messed up.

Just my theory

 

[csedge]

Hmm I was gna say maybe it was cured goodies, what did u find it in?

 

[trshunt]

Hmm I was gna say maybe it was cured goodies, what did u find it in?

It was just in a plastic baggie in a drawer in my kitchen (dark space). I've been curing the sativa I grew for the last 3 months in mason jars in a dark room and it's NOTHING compared to this crazy stuff. I thought the cure can only do so much for potency (?)

 

[csedge]

Yea no it can do little but sometimes a littles alot. not saying in this situation but I see a noticeable difference on some strains in only 1 month, only on few. But sometimes just the flavors r enhanced so much it's made it a grade higher also. I'm sure theirs a strain ur looking for. Sounds Lke Tom Hills Haze (acid Pheno) never smoked but heard abou tit on the forums.

 

[Japanfreakier]

Wait...he brought you new weed each week and you broke up with him?

 

[englishrick]

you sound like a very cool older smoker

if you dont mind me askin,,,,,,,,what have you been smoking in the past?,,,,,,,,,,,,no offence but it sounds like you have been smoking mexi brickweed ....im not saying this to put you down but it just dont seem like you have ever been to a cali med club

do you know the difference between cannabis sativa and cannabis indica?

I used to smoke loads of the weed "origonal haze" and i nearly did go into a loony bin,,,,,my mum took me to the doctors many times only to walk out of A&E thinkin she had the problems,,,

it sounds like you smoked something like an electric haze,,,A good o`haze type will make me twitch,,,,,,,,,a PROPPER Haze!!! is almost too strong,,,,,,,it makes me twitch!!!!!!

try tomhills haze and search for a perfect mother to clone from

you sound cool

 

[trshunt]

I'm a cali med patient, so yep, I've smoked what is supposedly "top of the line" from various dispensaries, but I always choose sativas because I can't normally function with couch-lock drooly indicas. I haven't smoked anything that has come remotely close to this, though (aside from that god-awful salvia crap). I'd like to find a strain that encompasses the smacked upside the head initial hit with the happy, social high I like so much.

And let me tell you, I thought long and hard before dumping the dude. In the end, though, the weed couldn't make up for other "deficiencies."

 

[englishrick]

lol,,,,,your cool,,,,,,sounds like the guy missed out on a good thing

so yeh,,,,you have tried the tiptop! ,,,,,do you ever get PROPPER haze in cali?,,,like have you ever heard of "Origonal Haze",,,,or this "PIFF" stuff that floats round florida,,,,,,have you ever tried SSH?? ,,,,,,,,,,,

tom sells a form of haze,,,ace sells a form of haze too,,,,,,,,the flying dutchman seed company sells it under the name ORIGONAL HAZE,,,not all haze is Origonal Haze ,,,some stuff is basicly just bad knockoffs ,,,,some haze is simply electric

 

[numberguy]

sometimes I will clean my scissors into the weed I am trimming not wanting to mess with the hash on them and what is on them might not even be of the weed I am working, ha ha enjoy a few lucky or unlucky peeps will. If you happen to smoke that little piece of hash you will not soon forget it.

 

[Gert Lush]

It came on fast and STRONG and felt like I had just unplugged myself from the matrix or something. I couldn't turn off my brain and saw life from a different, much deeper and, truthfully, much more depressing perspective. The high lasted for an entire 3 hours and I was pretty much incapacitated the whole time.

Sounds like you smoked some cannabis!
The good sativa stuff, not the sweet kiddy candy.

I've got a few strains like that, and IMHO they're treasure.
Weed for meditation and 'shamans'.

What do you mean "depressing perspective"?
Cannabis shows you stuff, sometime you like it, sometimes you don't.
The trick is to see that stuff and gain experience from it... master the 'depression', if you will.

If that sounds too much like hard work, then stick to the "makes tv funny" varieties.

The 'real stuff' is certainly not for everyone.

Nothing wrong with "social/party cannabis" either, but it's just a consumer commodity - nothing more.
The hard-hitting cannabis you describe can have quite a "social" letdown, once you're used to it a bit.

 

[ibjamming]

Hey Gert...

What would you suggest for the "real stuff"? Any names? Are they reliable? Consistent? I'm looking for a "mind bender".

 

[Gert Lush]

What would you suggest for the "real stuff"? Any names? Are they reliable? Consistent? I'm looking for a "mind bender"

Hi ibjamming,
I don't really feel qualified to say, as I don't know what is currently available that well and, of course - as I always keep saying - it's a game of pheno hunting. Forget reliability and consistency.
A moderately good example from one strain may have an out-of-this-world sister.
(Don't forget that all the experts have agreed that an outstanding Haze plant has to be searched for - good ones are a dime a dozen - but that special one involves a quest)

Having said all that, I might make some suggestions, only as guidelines, mind you:

If I lost everything I had, I'd restart my search with NL5xHaze. One of my real head-turners is an NL5Haze cross.
Shanti's Neville's Haze is not a bad starting point either, and he's got some MangoHaze-Neville'sHaze specials as well, I think, which I've heard good stuff about.

Seedsman carries some underrated Haze crosses, too, I believe, e.g. Indian Haze, I think there's some good stuff there.

But what I would really suggest (if you have the time and ability) is to get some wild exotic sativa, either Mexi, Colombian, SE Asian, Himalayan "jungli" or whatever (RSC carries some from time to time) and cross it to some original Haze -- Tom Hill's, OT1's or Sam's/Seedsman's...

It's also not a bad idea to keep an eye on what the Spanish breeders are doing, some amazing stuff emerging slowly from there.

Sorry I can't offer any "easier" solutions, perhaps a few years down the line as more people switch on to proper pot it will be easier, but for now I think it's pretty much an individual journey.

 

[trshunt]

What do you mean "depressing perspective"?
Cannabis shows you stuff, sometime you like it, sometimes you don't.

What I saw was that everything is meaningless. We're just cogs in the machine, going through the motions of what we think is real, valuable, and important, but none of it really means anything. None of it is real. There IS no meaning. Relationships are fake and we're just kidding ourselves thinking that we can actually connect with another person. We're just killing time. It's like the world and the people in it are someone's (god's?) idea of a bad joke. Not pleasant, let me tell you.

The stuff I normally smoke lets me see the "subtext" of everything. I can see people's motives and read through all the bs. I think I'm the smartest, most insightful person ever! And, I'm not locked to the sofa. I can converse with anyone and feel like the most intuitive person in the room. Now THAT'S pleasant and that's what I consider "good" sativa.

I would like to find something that hits as hard and fast as the crazy stuff I had over the weekend, just without the couch-lock and the depression.

 

[Gert Lush]

I'm a cali med patient, so yep, I've smoked what is supposedly "top of the line" from various dispensaries,

Funnily enough, there's a thread on here somewhere (medi section, I think) about how the Cali med clubs don't/won't carry decent sativas:
a) because they are fairly clueless
b) it is not as lucrative as glitter-weed.
What passes as "sativas" in the med clubs is just mildly sativa-leaning stuff, apparently.

I was quite shocked to read that, actually, as I don't know the Cali scene first hand. I'd have thought it was a bit better than that. But apparently it isn't.

Damn shame if you ask me and it makes a mockery of the title "medical club" too.
"Fast buck club" more like...

 

[Gert Lush]

There IS no meaning.
[...] Not pleasant, let me tell you.

Why not? Some would say that is quite liberating...
Perhaps it is the destruction of own personal petty little meanings that feels uncomfortable...

The stuff I normally smoke lets me see the "subtext" of everything. I can see people's motives and read through all the bs. I think I'm the smartest, most insightful person ever!

I know that feeling.
But doesn't it make you suspect you might be deluding yourself?

I can converse with anyone and feel like the most intuitive person in the room. Now THAT'S pleasant and that's what I consider "good" sativa.

Well, I wouldn't argue that that's a pleasant sativa, but still would not necessarily see it as a good one.

I guess it depends what you see your weed as:
A source of entertainment, or a tool to get some insight into your being.
Not arguing or trying to convince you, just sharing my perspective

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PS. You did say you felt "unplugged from the matrix", didn't you?
Now I haven't seen the movie, but wasn't the "Matrix" the bad thing that made everybody behave mechanically, and that the real freedom was when you did finally get unplugged?
Even if there were some horrible repercussions to deal with?

 

[trshunt]

But I LIKE the matrix. I like being happy in my delusions I don't want to be shown that my life has no meaning or purpose.

I'm still learning, but I thought sativas were all about the happy head high and indicas are where you get the couch-lock, too-stoned, out of mind and body feeling. Are you saying that isn't the case?

P.S.
I do agree with you about the cali dispensaries, though. WAY over-priced and the quality isn't any better than what I grow at home (my happy tv weed )

 

[papie]

But I LIKE the matrix. I like being happy in my delusions I don't want to be shown that my life has no meaning or purpose.

Haha, Don't go reading anything from Kierkegaard then.
Or any other existential philosophy.

 

[Gert Lush]

But I LIKE the matrix.

Guess you have your answer, then!

I'm still learning, but I thought sativas were all about the happy head high and indicas are where you get the couch-lock, too-stoned, out of mind and body feeling. Are you saying that isn't the case?

Oh yes, there are definitely too many stoner over-simplifications.

First off, "indica" and "sativa" are generalisations, and not in any sense scientific definitions. They work as general signposts, but only to a point.
Also they tend to work more as a language of consensus for the current market. This breaks down quite a lot with new / uncategorised / landrace strains. I defy anyone to categorise my Nepali strains. Most would say "sativa" because they are meditational and zippy, but they can lock you given the right set and setting, and also they are short, squat and broadish leaved, i.e. totally "indica" in looks.

So whereas (perhaps) there may be some value to saying sativas are zippy while indis are couchy I do not for a minute think you can link the "happy" feeling with either indica or sativa.

There are stunningly, wonderfully happy indicas, e.g. from the Chitral Valleys of the Hindu Kush (amongst other places) just as there are happy sativas. There are also terrifying indicas that will turn your world inside out an your reality to shreds, just as there are equivalent sativas.

Hindus who believe that the herb is sacred to the God Shiva (lord of destruction and rebirth) take pains to stress that this destruction of our little "perceived happinesses" is the path to true freedom.

Or as the omnipresent stoner mantra says "It's ALL GOOD".
That applies to the feelings generated by what the Indians call "Shiva weed" and which I call "gulp weed" too.

(you do get why I call it gulp weed, don't you?)

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BTW, try some Kali Mist, it might give that "nice" compromise you are looking for!

 

[tjf8070]

I loved the Albert Walker we used to get 6 or 7 years ago, an indica that was great with no real couchlock. I could just sit and watch cartoons and laugh my ass off, or get up and go for a walk and end up staring at the flowers along the way thinking of how pretty everything was. After a day of smoking you could still go out to dinner or a bar and still function (unless you started giggling unexpectedly) no problem. My guy moved to ........ and I haven't been able to see him for almost 5 years now. I heard he let his mom go, I hope it isn't true.

My other alltime fave is Nevilles Haze, Greenhouse has a good one but like gert said, "Don't forget that all the experts have agreed that an outstanding Haze plant has to be searched for - good ones are a dime a dozen - but that special one involves a quest."

Happy hunting.