do you really loose flavor in hydro ???

[toohighmf]

10k. I'm sorry, but your wrong friend. I hate soil and I am forced to have my gifted moms in them. They are growing just as fast, if not faster under very low light and hydro ferts in FFOF. I grow NFT in small RW cubes primarily, and the vegging is pretty much identical. 1" a day??? that's really nothing to brag about. my SFV grows 2+'' daily. I had a SSH grow over 6" in 24 hours. you gotta be able to distinguish when to feed, when to flush, and how much ferts @ givin PH in ANY medium. I can't say running organics is going to slow the process because I never compared. I can tell you that my current moms were vegged in "organic" FFOF soil and didn't get ferts amended for about 5 weeks. they got some hydro food and the growth rates havent changed. they get food 1 week. water the next. growth just began accelerating after taking cuts. Is it the hydro ferts, or the soil? or the the rootmass I now have 2 months later???

 

[TicalionStalion]

alittle off topic, toohigh, how do you like to run ur flushes in NFT? just wonderin bro.

 

[toohighmf]

because I use short cubes, I just set up a res w fresh RO and just use another res to catch the waste. I just keep the RO runnig for about 2 weeks straight as I feed about every 60 minutes towards the end when the tubes are full of roots. The 4x4x2.5" cube holds plenty of water and the rootmass holds even more. I could probably get away with watering 1x daily there's so much water in the tubes. If I dont see yellowing in a week, I start hand watering from the top. I never recirculate my flush res. I run pretty low PPM and top off weekly w PHed' calmg amended water. I don't really need to flush til the end this way. I flush a minimum of 10 days, but I go until everything stored, has metabolized and the fans are falling off. if it takes a month.. so be it, though the little cubes seem to leach much easier than delta's or hugos. I usually just run the system with pure water until the leaves fall off. if I over ferted or used a salty fert, I use a little carbs the first week to loosen up the salts. I find a nice slow gradual flush wins the yield, flavor and bouquet award every time. I'll admit I have been in a rush to finish and only went the 7 days. but I top flushed em and and they were pretty well leached. I just go the extra mile knowing the benefits.

 

[IwannatokeNbone]

Flavor and smell are closely related, that and if you think odor has nothing to do with potency, you need to rethink that and learn about terpenoids. In the best varieties the more odor the better in general.

-SamS

theres a corelation but not a connection, ive had deseal ryder n lowdryer two smell 50 ft away outside to my upstairs room making me think somebody just cut the fuckers n put them outside my door at 8am , not a comfy feeling believe me, how was the smoke, great ,fine, enjoyable, but some people consider it to weak.

smell is taken to seriously as is taste but to a much lesser degree imo, the true taste of cannabis is in hydro erb, which is in the genes. my favourite smoke to date had no smell in flower, def a good taste though.
even the amount of resin on a plant dont mean that much, theres resined up erb that sucks, n stuff that look average that rips. i do really enjoy some funky skunky smellin shit though, who doesnt.

 

[CaptainTrips]

theres a corelation but not a connection, ive had deseal ryder n lowdryer two smell 50 ft away outside to my upstairs room making me think somebody just cut the fuckers n put them outside my door at 8am , not a comfy feeling believe me, how was the smoke, great ,fine, enjoyable, but some people consider it to weak.

smell is taken to seriously as is taste but to a much lesser degree imo, the true taste of cannabis is in hydro erb, which is in the genes. my favourite smoke to date had no smell in flower, def a good taste though.
even the amount of resin on a plant dont mean that much, theres resined up erb that sucks, n stuff that look average that rips. i do really enjoy some funky skunky smellin shit though, who doesnt.

I agree, smell doesn't really indicate anything. There is smelly weed that is average, stuff that doesn't smell much at all, that will put you down... that said the smellier the better lol.

 

[RNDZL]

all I can share is what I have experienced myself

a perfectly tuned hydro system and environment, organic or otherwise, should give insane performance IN ALL ACCORDS

the pot should grow at its optimal genetic predisposition and all other aspects will also be "optimal"

smell in my water grows was always in-fucking-sane unless i had a real bad environmental or nutrient issue

there is a differential when growing in a container and when growing with water roots vis air roots and many of these variables cause the side by side growth differential

you can see the influence on root mass on the different hydroponic mediums

i mean i stopped running water cause the growth rate was too aggressive for my taste

 

[Mr. Greengenes]

"hydro grows faster period! 2week veg in hydro is like a 4 week maybe longer in soil.just stating my two cents."

"I have NEVER seen a soil grown plant take off and put on foliage as fast as a well done hydro grown plant."

I have to disagree with these statements. The fastest vegging I've seen has always been with multiple repots in containers. In a similar way, multiple repots outperform the 'big increment' technique of potting a small plant directly into a large pot. I've seen hydro systems veg AS fast as the 'small plant direct into large pot', but NOT faster than multiple repots in containers.

 

[HookNLine]

Intresting stuff.

 

[El Toker]

If you're growing in hydro and not getting at least three times the growth that you get in soil, then you're doing it wrong.

However, the big advantage for begginers is if you mess up and overfeed your plants, you can just pour all the water away and start again. If you overfeed in soil, you're screwed.

 

[Japanfreakier]

Well even if you use soil as your medium and feed with hydro nutes that would be hydro. Someday people will wrap their heads around the idea that hydro doesn't mean growing in water but rather feeding plants salts delivered in water and organic is shit being broken down by microbes. Salts or Shit.

 

[Sam_Skunkman]

If you two want to fight do it with PM's so others don't have to view this silly arguing.
As for hydro, being faster, yielding more, etc, etc. then soil grown?
I have never seen plants grown more then several inches a day in hydro, I have never seen 25 foot tall plants in hydro, I have never seen any hydro plants yield over 2 kilos per plant.
I am no expert at hydro, but I have not seen any of the above in hydro, has anyone?
As for soil grown plants, the above are easy. I am not saying that soil is better then hydro for anyone besides me, but for me soil is what I like. To be clear I like the earth, I can use man made soils, but prefer in the earth.

-SamS

 

[Sam_Skunkman]

As for flavor and smell, do you know that THC has no smell or taste? That and 100% pure THC is flat and boring, all of the different subjective highs come mostly from the terpenoids, and their different tastes and smells that contribute to the individuality of different varieties. Anyone that thinks smell or taste has little to do with the strength or high, needs to rethink their premise. Assuming the variety is potent, the more smell the more potency in general.

-SamS

 

[Japanfreakier]

As for soil grown plants, the above are easy. I am not saying that soil is better then hydro for anyone besides me, but for me soil is what I like. To be clear I like the earth, I can use man made soils, but prefer in the earth.

-SamS

Obviously we are talking about indoor growing here. Indoors hydro blows away organic soil. I also would bet that if anybody could make a hydro system that could sit out in the sun all summer and support huge plants that they would outpace soil but that doesn't exist to my knowledge.

 

[toohighmf]

I imagine you can pull a tom hill style chicken wire 6' deep pot & drip ring, fill it w hydroton & rockwool flocking, and fill a BIG ASS res, and just drain to waste it.. that would be outdoor hydro capable of growing outdoors no?

I have run a few DWC farm kit buckets outside in 90-100f summer temps w the help of H2o2. the weed wasn't close to my indoor, but It yeilded. maybe try pre veg indoors in hydroton, fuck it.. decomposed granite pea gravel or sand. maybe a mix... and transplant outside in a huge home made top drip system, and I bet even Tom would be impressed.

 

[Sam_Skunkman]

Obviously we are talking about indoor growing here. Indoors hydro blows away organic soil. I also would bet that if anybody could make a hydro system that could sit out in the sun all summer and support huge plants that they would outpace soil but that doesn't exist to my knowledge.

You are right it does not exist, but outdoor soil grown 25 foot plants that yield 2 kilos+ are done by many. And if you look at the input vs output and the carbon footprint used then indoor hydro growing is a poor 2nd place.

But I understand why many grow indoors, and why they don't use soil. But I love the earth, love farming in the earth, and don't like using containers or lights very much. In general I hear from indoor hydro growers is it is easier, faster, and high yielding.

I am not looking to learn about hydro fertilizers and systems, as I have been a soil farmer for 40+ years and can do it in my sleep.

I am not sure faster is important to me.

I know I can up the yield with more nitrogen, but I find like grape vines, less but better, and that is my goal. If I wanted more I can grow another plant instead of trying to get maximum yield by adding and adding nutrients to the max. You do get more in weight but it does not taste as good to me. In soil or hydro.

Anyway I am not trying to change anyones mind, I am reflecting on why I prefer organic soil grown in the earth, and find it does taste better to me, if also grown and dried and cured correctly.

But whatever a person likes the best is what I suggest is best.

-SamS

 

[thc_420]

the best smell\taste\potent marijuana is on soil and over the sun. for bigger yeilds its hydro. think theres no discussion about that.

 

[Mr. Greengenes]

"think theres no discussion about that."

Sam didn't say he'd had any experience with hydro, but I've had quite a bit. Not directly, but in advisory positions. As I said earlier, I've yet to see a hydro setup that outyields, or vegges as fast as I can do indoors in containers. Not saying it's not possible, just that I've yet to see it.

Speaking of Sam, it occurs to me that between him and I, we have over 80 years of experience.....(!).

 

[RNDZL]

its a ridiculous argument from so many angles, but I hate to criticize so I've kept my mouth shut


thinking you are going to invent an environment that will out perform the plants optimal genetic predisposition is insanity

can we get "optimal growth" using inorganic techniques

YEAH in an INORGANIC ENVIRONMENT


put your hydro plants outside with just macro and micro nutrients and a naked rhizosphere and tell me your still god

ohh wait you got chemical fungisides and pesticides you can buy and use right?


shame is this a do you LOSE flavor in hydro thread

I contend as I did before and in my very real experience running mixed media in many rooms many times is you do not lose taste in water

in fact most growers arguing hydro vs soil don even understand the dynamics of water roots vs. air roots which IMHO the real defining factor of true hydroponics

even rate of nutrient uptake has been shown to be more effective with air roots

BUT in regards to FLAVOR TASTE and SMELL

organics soil vs syth macro/micro only nutes in water

not a fair comparison

do organic hydro side by side to a sol grow feed em via tea and tell me how such the hydro taste ad smell is

see in my experience the differential is less important between properly grown pot and whats its fed

do i have preferences shit yes, organics

but does what you feed it matter as much as whether it was grown well or not

NOT AT ALL

but let me give you the dirty

properly grown pot of good genetic predisposition is going to grow well and produce adequate flowers in any medium as long as all environmental factors are favorable.


bottom line is if it ain't a fault in the genetics its a fault in the gardener

no ifs

no ands

no buts

 

[IwannatokeNbone]

im dizzy and getting my balance back after reading that, but was there a point?

 

[RNDZL]

im dizzy and getting my balance back after reading that, but was there a point?

yeah that if people are going to continue being off topic about an age old arrangement its best to know what the fuck your talking about

cause not only do you ruin the continuity of the topic, jumping in only to contribute some off topic observation but if its not even a accurate or observation of value your exponentially an idiot


BUT the biggest obvious point is that if your weed isnt reek its either the genes or you, has nothing to do with how you grow it unless you do something wrong

its painfully obvious people are commenting about tech they have yet to master but talk as if they are expert