Are American and Canadian growers biased against Dutch breeders and seedbanks?

[dmt]

bogs sour bubble would kill any "exotic haze" plants that holland prides itself on.

the dutch like to chill, relax and puff spliffs generally, n americans mostly want the most stone for the buck. we like to get rocked. not put .2g in 2g of tobacco.

teemu shalanie just came out to kick it with me, and we blazed 14 g of og, pk and bubba plus hash, cheese and a gram od budderking budder.

we are a product of our enviroment.

for years(and still today) the best experience in holland is all the landrace hashish, not bud.

morrocan pollem, afghani black, paki charas etc. so good in holland, high grade bud not so much.

with that being said, how much seed is in a brick of hash???? the worlds best land race seeds went to the market = THE WEST COAST. global bud goes where the demand is, from cali to alaska they populate 10 hollands, and smoke 100 times more. so in the 60 and 70's, beans came from the best bud grown from their respective region, then kept, classified, bred then sent to holland. most seed bank owners in holland owe their genes to the pacific northwest and cali for the base of mostly all "their hybrids".

kush doesnt even need to hybridised for yield and quality, and is landrace. i trust the hippies whom stocked the "best " genes in cali.

the dutch have a different and very business minded "exotic" market. when i was there in 1999 and 2000, kush and purple weed were considered "trash" becuase they werent a haze hybrid. now look, pk dominates the canadian market( and socal meds).

the dutch follow market trends becuase its a sellers market. haze is a brand to them. how much haze is sold in bc cali? 1% of the market. illegal markets make for different demands, branding etc. the dutch dont mind flowering 16 week hazes and getting 15-20 euro a gram. not the case out here. we need fast, strong, powerfull plants in our market.

so, n america dominates with indicas 100%, and holland with haze/exotics 100%, make sense??? d

 

[Dalaihempy]

bogs sour bubble would kill any "exotic haze" plants that holland prides itself on.

You are kiding your self man if you belive that.

the dutch like to chill, relax and puff spliffs generally, n americans mostly want the most stone for the buck. we like to get rocked. not put .2g in 2g of tobacco.

teemu shalanie just came out to kick it with me, and we blazed 14 g of og, pk and bubba plus hash, cheese and a gram od budderking budder.

we are a product of our enviroment.

for years(and still today) the best experience in holland is all the landrace hashish, not bud.

morrocan pollem, afghani black, paki charas etc. so good in holland, high grade bud not so much.

A lot of dutch don't even smoke most that smoke in Amsterdam are those flying in from yes the US Australia Canada and from all over the world those from Holland that do smoke would be like other places some add tabaco to there cannabis some do not.

As for there hash a friend smuggled 7 oz of there best hash back home in 85 or 87 he could not get to me fast inuf to get me high on it i smoked it i thort this is shit told my friend this there best he looked horrified i thort to my self be nice i told him its nice but lacks kick has a mild body affect i then pulled out some gold seal black putty that was coming from Asia and well he was shocked so i don't believe that i do believe some coffe shops have very good smoke on there menu's some don't to say there hash alone is good is well crap.

with that being said, how much seed is in a brick of hash???? the worlds best land race seeds went to the market = THE WEST COAST. global bud goes where the demand is, from cali to alaska they populate 10 hollands, and smoke 100 times more. so in the 60 and 70's, beans came from the best bud grown from their respective region, then kept, classified, bred then sent to holland. most seed bank owners in holland owe their genes to the pacific northwest and cali for the base of mostly all "their hybrids".

You are dreaming if you think THE WEST COAST alone got da land race seeds lol i bet more was being grown southern Cali were its closer to Mexico and warmer we here got imported mj from all over the world to as did other areas the difference here is we can grow da land race seed any were but you can not in the us we grew huge crops for the us markets here so how do you know that da landrace seeds did not come from us you don't do you but your fixation that the west coast did it best blinds you from the truth that's slapping you in da face.

kush doesnt even need to hybridised for yield and quality, and is landrace. i trust the hippies whom stocked the "best " genes in cali.

the dutch have a different and very business minded "exotic" market. when i was there in 1999 and 2000, kush and purple weed were considered "trash" becuase they werent a haze hybrid. now look, pk dominates the canadian market( and socal meds).

The dutch as you keep calling them are Americans Australians Canadians and people from all over the world they grow supplie what demand drives so if people want haze hybrids that what they will give them but there is kush hybrids and other indicas on offer i am sure but we talking cali kush here you know the stuff that's dutch lines re named kush to gain a better market price or we talking real kush that verys from valley to valley.

the dutch follow market trends because its a sellers market. haze is a brand to them. how much haze is sold in bc cali? 1% of the market. illegal markets make for different demands, branding etc. the dutch dont mind flowering 16 week hazes and getting 15-20 euro a gram. not the case out here. we need fast, strong, powerfull plants in our market.

so, n america dominates with indicas 100%, and holland with haze/exotics 100%, make sense??? d

NO The dutch as you keep calling them are Americans Australians Canadians and people from all over the world they are there to supplie a service market driven rember who breeds in Amsterdam now days ? There were large changes in the dam why lots took there breeding and seed productions else were.


I can not weight until California makes this plant free and do you know why i will tell you the older growers that have stayed in the shadows away from all the bull shit that in fact did the real work that really believed in the plant and the people who also have the same interest and values will come out and push the elitest with there clone only hack jobs back into the sea were they can not do any more harm there egotistic crap will stop and finally will there be real pots people leeding Cali back to the pinickle of its game.

 

[ureapwhatusow]

Ureap,

Hey guys,

Any foolio can breed a wrinkled pea, a pink tulip, a tomato to look like this or even taste like this or that when eaten, corn that does this or that or taste like this or that. However, to breed cannabis that has the above and "X" effect when smoked??? Well, we are talking about another category altogether, and I mean x many. Anybody can breed a dog or a person for that matter to look like this or that, now, breed a dog, nay, an entire litter of working dogs who all exhibit the CHARACTER that gives the ability to perform this or that and now you understand the complexity of the mountain that you are mistaking for a molehill. Not that anybody's changing the world, lol, but it kinda sucks to see anybody belittle the subject matter. -T

I'm sorry if I had left the impression that belittled teh talents of breeders such as your self or someone you consider your contemporary, really I feel badly as that was not my intention and why many times I keep my mouth shut

I thought I had been careful to distinguish between levels of breeding skills and standards, and the basic precept that because of the market stigma that most of the value add is not being done by traditional students of botany

does this mean that those gold standard breeders, such as yourself haven't focused your energies with talent and passion and brought cannabis breeding to the next level

nor am i saying that breeders such as yourself would be so easy for the expert dutch tulip breeder to walk in and be tom hill

I tried hard to keep from slighting anyones good work when making that post

what I wanted to do is completely obliterate the notion that a nationality or a location could dictate either the source quality of genetics or the quality of the person breeding them

all the gear you breed indigenous land races you discovered in California?

is your american value add all the difference, or was it the particular talents of tom hill himself that make you so special?

since there is no standard in cannabis breeding, I think its dangerous if we let ourselves as a community set the standard as being nationally based

so I agree whole heartedly with you Tom that yes there is far more to the breeding of cannabis, far far more.

but as far as what there is to be considered when creating a breeding standard I think nationality has little or nothing to do with it

 

[ureapwhatusow]

lmao all the shit talking about dutch genetics

ok , firstly every grow culture (Amsterdam, Cali, Canada, All the origins of all the land race varieties, and all the ones i forgot to mention) that bred and produced pot added value

but if you might recall back in the 80's maybe you guys are either too young to remember or so old your memory is foggy but the Amsterdam genetics were all getting that 90 day wonder on the map and to the hands of growers around the world

and they did

give credit where credit is due

where the fuck would our world be if it weren't for the dutch dynamic

and shit every pot sub-culture treats outsiders like custies so it hard to judge a nations real gems unless your in the right group of people

and its fucking sad, its the paradigm that I am trying attack

if every one wants to have a dick swinging contest then at least come up with a fair set of standards upon which to judge eachother

and one that will give fair value to the potential buyer of seed

is it time to set breeding standards

iso 9001 for breeding

food for thought

 

[DocLeaf]

Only the man in the middle of this photo is Dutch,, and he was born in Indonesia

http://www.olded.nl/images/Soma%20Wernard%20Old%20Ed%20Ed%20Rosenthal%20in%20Positronics%20garden.jpg


Hope this helps

 

[DocLeaf]

We got a fresh question...

"Are American and Canadian breeders biased against Dutch growers"?

One love...

 

[Karma Genetics]

To bad man that some of you dont like me he he he he, I am dutch and work with cannabis no matter where it came from. Simple as that.

he he i love the new age US forum growers these young guys think they invented it ha ha ha......

Much love to all that care about the gene-pool.

 

[THC123]

the dutch dont mind flowering 16 week hazes and getting 15-20 euro a gram. not the case out here. we need fast, strong, powerfull plants in our market.

i really don't think you know what you are saying , and don't think that 1 year here has taught you much

 

[elmanito]

We got a fresh question...

"Are American and Canadian breeders biased against Dutch growers"?

One love...

Bloody hell, what sort of question is this!!!
It is all about karma.

Namaste

 

[lemonskunk420]

To be biased to any form of growers is just stupid,We can all grow great herb and that's that.And to say one or the other is better is just childish.

 

[Tom Hill]

Hi again Ureap,

I just wanted to make sure that we were on the same page regarding the nature of the plant. It seems to me a lot more tricky than breeding other types of flowers etc.

I am not doing anything special over here, yet. But if I was to breed an inbred line that took certain growth traits etc from one line, and certain cannabinoid profiles etc from another. Well, this seems a whole lot trickier than crossing white with red to get a pink flower etc.

As far as all this talk about national pride etc, it's all crap. Sure, I had a mostly bad experience over the pond many years ago. But, 9 of 10 medical dispensaries in California leave me with an even worse taste in my mouth. There are shysters everywhere, just like there are folks everywhere too that should get at least a bit of credit for trying.-T

 

[DocLeaf]

To be biased to any form of growers is just stupid,We can all grow great herb and that's that.And to say one or the other is better is just childish.

That's exactly what we was trying to illustrate before

As we say 'Erb, Roots, Culture,,, Peace, Love, Flowers' ..

.. there's absolutely no reason for ANY hattin involved,, as we bicker we get weaker,, as we unite we get stronger,, overgrow

 

[VerdantGreen]

Hi again Ureap,

I just wanted to make sure that we were on the same page regarding the nature of the plant. It seems to me a lot more tricky than breeding other types of flowers etc.

I am not doing anything special over here, yet. But if I was to breed an inbred line that took certain growth traits etc from one line, and certain cannabinoid profiles etc from another. Well, this seems a whole lot trickier than crossing white with red to get a pink flower etc.

As far as all this talk about national pride etc, it's all crap. Sure, I had a mostly bad experience over the pond many years ago. But, 9 of 10 medical dispensaries in California leave me with an even worse taste in my mouth. There are shysters everywhere, just like there are folks everywhere too that should get at least a bit of credit for trying.-T

i agree with some of your points tom, especially the last sentence

but if you were breeding tulips (as per the original example), they dont come true from seed and also they take 5-7 years to flower from seed. at least cannabis is quick vegetatively propagated from offset bulblets, tulips still take 1-2 years to get large enough to produce flowers.

VG

 

[gettitreal]

toms trying to say:

pink color in tulips doesnt require a specific 20 locus genotype.

it requires one.


but of course, this is like pulling the teeth out of a bumblebee.

 

[DocLeaf]

and bubblebee don't have any teeth

There's plenty "pot-snobbery" surrounding the seed breeding scene... like bee's to the hive,, and honey to a fat bee keeper! We've grown seeds from breeders ranging from viking lands in the north out to the west-coast,, from the UK crew to Italian quarters and back again around the globe twice in landrace seed,, plus the places between,, and they all (even the bush weed in places) had something nice to offer in the way of seed stock every once in a while,, one love to ALL

.. as humans it's perhaps sadly in our nature to discriminate,, (we tend to prefer what's familiar),, while in the plant world nature is always neutral in the jungle,, until someone sprays it with a chemical..lol

GOOD seeds GROW,, BAD seeds DONT!

peace n ORGANIC flowers (if possible please folks)

 

[englishrick]

toms trying to say:

pink color in tulips doesnt require a specific 20 locus genotype.

it requires one.


but of course, this is like pulling the teeth out of a bumblebee.

would that be "codominant"?

 

[headband 707]

Lets get real here none of us know the truth and these seeds come from all over the world LOL no one owns them and this is a stupid fight lol lol lol.. Dutch grower/breeders are great no different then anyone else.. Lets all work towards the same goal here and just make this shit better shall we lol peace out Headband707

 

[indifferent]

That's exactly what we was trying to illustrate before

As we say 'Erb, Roots, Culture,,, Peace, Love, Flowers' ..

.. there's absolutely no reason for ANY hattin involved,, as we bicker we get weaker,, as we unite we get stronger,, overgrow

You bloody hypocrite, after the way you been behaving lately!

Take your own advice and never, ever 'murk' someone again, you've done a lot to make yourself look very bad lately, time to start adopting a bit more humility and practising what you preach.

 

[dmt]

i hate to break it to the dutch defenders, but 90% of all the dutch strains came from the west coast = haze (haze bros), skunk#1, northern lights and hashplant. and to date, 90% of all hybrids have some of this genetic make up.

it was a mutual effort. cali got way more seeds then holland in the 60, 70 and 80's, due to the fact their population is double hollands, and most routes of transport came from cali to the east coast. that is where the seeds originated, in bricks from landrace varieties.

look at shantis seed list. afgahni, skunk, afghani/skunk, agfhani skunk haze hahaha. all were made in cali then found a new home in holland, rookies, lol, d

 

[elmanito]

i hate to break it to the dutch defenders, but 90% of all the dutch strains came from the west coast = haze (haze bros), skunk#1, northern lights and hashplant. and to date, 90% of all hybrids have some of this genetic make up.

it was a mutual effort. cali got way more seeds then holland in the 60, 70 and 80's, due to the fact their population is double hollands, and most routes of transport came from cali to the east coast. that is where the seeds originated, in bricks from landrace varieties.

look at shantis seed list. afgahni, skunk, afghani/skunk, agfhani skunk haze hahaha. all were made in cali then found a new home in holland, rookies, lol, d

We already had our strains before the Cali varieties came

1982

and look what we still have today

P.S. Shanti gday

Namaste