JWH-018

[ninjashoes]

I will say this.

I used this stuff heavily for a while because I have no access to Cannabis. The high at very low dosages is like Cannabis, but at higher dosages it becomes a mix of alcohol (slurred speech, unable to control functions of the body) mixed with LSD (hallucinations, panic attacks) for me.

The tolerance level increase is EXTREME. I went from using a gram every week to a gram a day. This shit made me a fucking crack addict. I like Cannabis because it helps with symptoms I have, but also regulates my OCD. This shit was the exact opposite. I had fits of rage and depression got worse after extended high dosage usages.

After 2 months I was filling a half bowl to get high for 20 minutes. I started "taking" it every 15 minutes. I went from a dosage about the size of the tip from my needle nose, to filling up half the bowl.

It has been about 3 months since I have used it. I have had a constant runny nose since Ive stopped using it. When I say runny, I don't mean "cold" runny, I mean constant flow of phlegm coming out of my sinus. This "might" be a coincidence of course, but I never had this issue until after using JWH-018. The stuff I had was 98.9% pure. It wasn't the orange/yellow/rust oxidized crap some vendors are selling, it was white crystallize powder.

My opinion is don't use this shit expecting a lifestyle like Cannabis. I would wait until more real testing comes out on its pro's and con's just to make sure it is something you want to put in your body.

If you are an experimenter like I am, make sure to keep the dosages low and don't let it get to a point where I let it get. I wasn't ready for this shit and it fucked me up pretty bad because I didn't respect it. I respect it enough now to never put it in my body again. If you can not pull yourself out of bad trips then don't take this in high dosages at all. YOU HAVE TO BE CAREFUL. The powder form is very hard to regulate dosages. Remember a high dosage for this shit, if eyeballing, looks like half a small pinch of salt.

So, in short. Use @ your own risk.

holy shit

I have said this before and I'll say it again. Just because the synthetic molecule activates the THC receptor does not mean it is exactly like THC. The two molecules are different and have different kinetics, different half lifes, different metabolisms. The withdrawal from the synthetics is much more of a problem than THC due to kinetics. Not to mention it is not known how the metabolites of the synthetic interact with the body/liver.

well said

i agree that the tolerance increase is fast, but its the same as THC in that regard. you can only get "so high" off THC if you have built up a tolerance. same with this stuff and the tolerance mirrors your THC tolerance. so if your a regular smoker, you can smoke a pretty good dose of this stuff and not get anywhere near as high as some reports.

i did not experience the same addiction as koroz reported. i would think that would be a rare case. i feel no "compulsion" to keep smoking this chemical. then again, i am not really the addictive type anyway, so i may be biased.

as far as the chemical's toxicity, i'll take my chances. i know everyone thinks differently but based on the reading and evidence i've seen i think the risk is low.

Its debatable whether THC even has any kind of tolerance. Most people find switching strains relieves any percieved tolerance. The synthetic stuff might be a different story.

I am with Koroz. I hate the stuff. I was buying grams and pitting ungodly amounts into damiana. I was always a happy dude who thought depression and addiction were all in your head and you could easily shake them, but get on that bullshit and you will see right away that they are both very real. I started smoking weed because of it and thankfully, it gives a better peace of mind and luckily the old better outlook on life I had before. I consider my usage of 018/073/200/ what thefck other chems they infuse into these legal blends a very very very dark time in my life where my bank account steadily dropped. I know weed will make you want it just as bad, but at least it lasts longer than 20 minutes before you are
chasing that dragon haha. I still have little bouts of depression, and I promise, it didn't happen until I started legal bullshit. I would get a few pimples and think I was a meth head crack addict. Any little issue scared me and I was just a wreck. Sorry for this to be my first post, but i feel very passionate about not using these synths anymore. I wish America would open it's fucking eyes and realize that no matter what, people will use WHATEVER it takes to get high, and That weed is not the devil.

holy shit, this and what the other guy said make me not want to try this

 

[immaculate]

It's easy to see how marijuana was most certainly intended to be natures medicine and recreational drug, textile product, etc. Why the FUCK would I go SMOKE SOME CHEMICALS to GET HIGH LIKE I WOULD ON WEED???? God you idiots are retarded.

 

[KharmaGirl]

Your insults are getting out of hand. Nearly every post today you are calling someone an "idiot" or worse. Find a way to get your point across without the insults, please.

 

[immaculate]

Your insults are getting out of hand. Nearly every post today you are calling someone an "idiot" or worse. Find a way to get your point across without the insults, please.

This situation is insulting.

 

[immaculate]

I just don't understand..if you're gonna burn your shit up on synthetics and analogues, why not go for something good like a cybin analogue (4 aco mipt) or one of thousands of dmt analogues? jeez..

 

[Koroz]

I just don't understand..if you're gonna burn your shit up on synthetics and analogues, why not go for something good like a cybin analogue (4 aco mipt) or one of thousands of dmt analogues? jeez..

Because with out "idiots" like us, how the fuck would "smart people" like you know which to use safely?

 

[immaculate]

Because with out "idiots" like us, how the fuck would "smart people" like you know which to use safely?

Keep going, you're eking out the point!

 

[KharmaGirl]

Dont take the bait Koroz

 

[HerbGlaze]

Its nothing like natural cannabis, its a designer drug/research chemical.
JWH-018, is un-natural and gives you an extremely anxiety filled high and can be intense for most people.
I myself, have tried it and its just not my thing.

Lets stick to grade A medical mary

 

[buckeye-leaf]

friends....if you have to take something or "sprinkle" something on your tokes to get higher, your buds are not strong enough

 

[Lazyman]

It's easy to see how marijuana was most certainly intended to be natures medicine and recreational drug, textile product, etc. Why the FUCK would I go SMOKE SOME CHEMICALS to GET HIGH LIKE I WOULD ON WEED???? God you idiots are retarded.

Because not every can smoke weed and have it show up on their piss tests without getting fired. Why risk losing a good job because you wanna get high? JWH-018 is a decent, cheap and legal analogue at the moment. Would you prefer it be outlawed so it can go underground like weed?

I am also a rebel at heart, anytime I'm not allowed to do, own or buy something I'm the first guy in line. I'd rather have some before I can't get it.

How are those Quaaludes nowadays?

 

[luciano28]

This is a really really dumb question but could this stuff be used on mother plants as plant food(bonsai?). I have about 900 mgs of JWH-018 that I dont want. I dont really wanna get into my experience with this stuff but lets just say I dont like it, I overdosed cuz Im dumb. But Ive seen it called a bonsai food. Anyone know if I could use this shit as a fertilizer for my moms? lol.

 

[luciano28]

Its nothing like natural cannabis, its a designer drug/research chemical.
JWH-018, is un-natural and gives you an extremely anxiety filled high and can be intense for most people.
I myself, have tried it and its just not my thing.

Lets stick to grade A medical mary

Its a little like cannabis, but it has a sinister feeling to it that I dont care for. The anxiety can be bad, really bad....

JWH-073 is the one I think most stoners will like, you will go through it much quicker than the 018 though.

 

[Lazyman]

friends....if you have to take something or "sprinkle" something on your tokes to get higher, your buds are not strong enough

I disagree, you can become acclimated if you smoke the same strains for months on end and the high is greatly diminished. I just smoked a bowl of what would incapacitate me 4 months ago, and I'm bored and looking for something to do.

I grow great weed and with great genetics, and I get bored of the same stuff after a while. Unfortunately my next couple crops are more of the same, but I usually work out trades with my patients that acquire genetics outside our collective.

I'm also doing some marketing tests to see if anyone is interested in laced weed for a small premium (with full disclosure of course.) Will be handing out samples next weekend to my patients that want to try it.

 

[tetragrammaton]

See, posts like the one from koroz are a great example of why I won't touch this stuff. I've seen tons of posts like his from other well experienced marijuana users who have extremely similar experiences.

I know alot of cannabis users pride themselves on the fact that they don't do hard drugs, etc.. yet I really don't see how this is any different? In fact, not to promote hard drugs, but at least their effects and long term effects are well documented, and in all reality experimenting safely with some is entirely possible.

I don't think I'm any better than those who use these synths, I just don't understand why anyone who is able to smoke natural cannabinoids would want to do this shit.

For instance I just filled a one gram bowl of a strain I've been smoking multiple grams a day for months. This time, I topped it with kief. I haven't even finished half of the bowl, and haven't even had a hit in like 15 minutes and am very comfortably high.

I've had the pleasure of smoking hash oil everyday for weeks. After a few days, it became boring. Bowls were no longer enjoyable to smoke. I was high after the first few hits, and then the bowl would be a chore to finish and would burn forever.

To make matters worse, regular bowls without oil would not get me high, and even oil would not get me as extraordinarily high as it first would.

I can only imagine how these synths would effect tolerance, and not have a good taste either.

Now, I'm going to finish my enhanced natural bowl, and get an intense high with lots of flavorful smoke. I also have the peace of mind knowing that the cannabinoids in my bowl are 100% safe.

 

[humble1]

I have said this before and I'll say it again. Just because the synthetic molecule activates the THC receptor does not mean it is exactly like THC. The two molecules are different and have different kinetics, different half lives, different metabolisms. The withdrawal from the synthetics is much more of a problem than THC due to kinetics. Not to mention it is not known how the metabolites of the synthetic interact with the body/liver.

 

[immaculate]

Great, now I'm gonna start getting laced weed.

 

[Lazyman]

I highly doubt you'd get any that came from me without being told what it was. I can't speak for all growers but yes, they spray it on all sorts of fake legal weed, so it's not completely unthinkable that you will buy laced weed by accident someday. I can't be the very first person out of 6 billion people to think of it!

 

[tetragrammaton]

The only "laced weed" I'd buy from a grower would be if it was dusted with kief or sprayed with hash oil.

I don't see the point in adding an imitation to the real thing. No one with sugar and no health reasons to prevent them from consuming sugar would go and add splenda to make a dish more sweet.

 

[KonradZuse]

I had a friend who would smoke it, he said he felt is was a better high, but that's comparative to what strains he was smoking, and what effects each strain would give.