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[indifferent]

Never seen the yellow bottle line, it's not sold in the EU. Paclobutrazol? Care to name some products that include it? The only one was Dutchmaster Superbud and it was withdrawn from sale. A copy of it has re-appeared and a couple of places in the UK are selling it, they even copied the old DM label just minus the DM logo.

You should study Ganja D's pics, his grows blow yours out of the water. No matter what excuses you make, your crops are clearly overfed and underflushed, this alone disqualifies you from being able to advise anybody else on nutrition as you obviously don't have your own nutrition regime properly worked out, the simplest way to improve your crops would be to stop overfeeding, even with a proper flush, an overfed plant is going to be inferior smoke to a properly fed one, that is plain fact.

This isn't about how many bottles you or anyone else uses, it's about AN changing their products so they are more watered down and trying to convince people they need to use tons of different things to get a good harvest.

What about the way they just changed Hammerhead? The old formula was 0-9-18, the new one is 0-4-8, quite clearly, they have watered it down to less than half the strength it used to be. This means you are paying for less than half the amount of active ingredients and more plain old water.

Name another company that has done that - taken their PK booster, watered it down to less than half strength and sold it for the same price?

Big Bud Powder and Barricade were the best two products AN had, they have changed em both, that means that most of the products in the AN line are now more dilute and more expensive than easily available alternatives.

 

[Ganja D]

I wouldn't have guessed you were using that line-up, I would have guessed you were using the Mother Earth Super Teas. Never tried Iguana Juice, I tried Monkey Juice and it was only okay, I lost a fair bit of yield compared to my Canna Coco A+B runs. I might have to give the Iguana Juice a go when I run out of Canna, just hope AN don't change it in the meantime! I gave up using enzymes, didn't see what they did for my plants, can you tell me why you like Sensizym and what it does for ya? I think I have an old bottle of it sat around somewhere. Carboload and Bud Candy, aren't they pretty much the same thing - a carb source? Have you ever tried Blackstrap molasses? I am getting great results using a combo of Molasses, Malt Extract and Raw Sugar Cane Juice.

I have used various friendly funghi products in coco and found none of them made much difference, probably because I'm using coco and a mix of organics and inorganics, as you grow in soil, you will get much more benefit I'm sure from the Piranha and Tarantula.

Voodoo Juice is good stuff, but I use a product called Agralan Revive, which is very similar and I picked up half a dozen bottles of it for 50p out of the bargain bin at a local garden centre because the labels were water damaged, so I'm good for beneficials for a year or two!

I'd love to see ya do a side-by-side with your AN regime and an aerated compost tea of worm castings, mushroom compost, bat and seabird guanos, molasses etc. Reason being, I expect you can match your AN results with a good aerated tea but at a fraction of the cost.

The Wet Betty is a wetting agent, I use an organic washing up liquid called Ecover as my wetting agent, it has Aloe Vera and Yucca extracts and works a treat, it's less than 1ukp a bottle.

Organic B, well I don't need to add B vitamins or any other vitamins as there is a crapload of vit-B in the raw sugar cane juice I use, I buy a 500g block of solidified sugar cane juice for under 2ukp and it dissolves readily in water.

Of course, these alternatives are all much cheaper than AN, and that is important to me as I'm a strictly not-for-profit, medical grower providing meds for myself, I can rarely afford to buy products that cost as much as AN do, so I am always looking for alternatives. For those who do grow commercially, the AN prices aren't such an issue.

The Big Bud, well I love the powdered version, the old 0-15-40 version with 7% magnesium. There isn't another product available in the UK like it. I wish there was another source of L-Aminos, as that's what is in Big Bud that makes it work so well.



Never heard of D-Aminos. Big Bud is great stuff, wish I had a ton of the old stuff but I am down to one crop's worth, bummer.



Correct, I expect a lot of it is people using lots and lots of bottles of crap in the mistaken belief it will make them 'Grandmaster Growers'.



Nah, it was aimed at me. I just ignored it cos the mods had to clean up a couple of threads in the last couple of hours and I think it would be best to avoid any further nastiness.

Most of what you use sounds great. I use the big bud powder too.
I used to use molasses and it's great. It's easier for me to buy bud candy at my hydro store then finding raw forms of sugar at health food store.
Sensizyme is a great product. My local store once ran out of it for 3 months. I was pissed. I noticed a difference in the thinkness of the base of my plants, vigor, density, and flavor. No joke. That was the same cycle from the pics with satori. You should have seen the Satori the crop before.
I wouldn't be surprised about those teas. I may be using something similar on outdoor this year.
Wet betty is great, I've always foliar fed and never seen such quick results with organic dish soap. Although I was feeding with different products to be fair.
I always used superthrive. Switched it to organic B. I use it every few feedings. Things have only gotten better.

There's a lot of castings, guano and good stuff in my soil so it's always making more humus and composting naturally.

 

[grow nerd]

Paclobutrazol is in Bush Master.

 

[<~Hades~>]

Sensizyme is a great product. My local store once ran out of it for 3 months.

sensizyme is the worste enzyme product made by any nute company

 

[grow nerd]

sensizyme is the worste enzyme product made by any nute company

Care to elaborate?

I'm still not sold on enzymes. Maybe soon I'll do a side-by-side, but until then I just can't grasp the usefulness:cost ratio.

 

[indifferent]

Iguana juice is just watered down fish emulsion with a bit of bat turds in it~ with a horrible usage rate~

Alot of Us used to frequent the advanced nutrient forums~ My handle was Imortaloutlaw < I SEE YOU TOOHIGH> LOL

Some of us still talk to or on forums with people that worked there and in the factories of ADVANCED.........

The BIg bud Liquid is probably correct as for years most of us knew from there tech reps, On the sly, That the cant make the liquid with all the things in the powder with out it binding..Meaning most of us knew the Liquid was garbage or Not as efficient as the powder.....So it was missing things that the powder Bigbud uses, but they never stated on the bottles~ now they cant juice there labels any more , so i doubt its even been changed more of now the labels for the liquid is correct !!



i have been growing with so many lines and to be honest each company makes great products,,,,advanced just has a way of reeling over feeding tools ~ for water down products , They are not what they used to be and make inconsistent batchs of nutes !!!

tHERE connie line now fixed from when it first came out is fire, BUt a circus freak prices !!!

They have discontinued , colossal bud blast, there scorpoin juice,,,,,,,,watered down the barricade to 1% so its a bottle of water

there 2 part is cheap and easy, there 3 part from toohigh reports i just the same as gh with out buffers


iF your gonna buy bigbud my favorite an product and only bloom buster i use~ Buy the powder

Great post.

Colossal Bud Blast was pretty much just seaweed, I get better results using Plagron Phyt-Amin and local brand seaweed.

Yup, the Big Bud Liquid sucks compared to the powder and for the precise reason you stated.

Iguana Juice is indeed fish emulsion and bat guano, shame it's so diluted, but then again, so are most of the organic base nutes out there, look at the NPK numbers, Biobizz Grow for instance is 2-1-4, pretty weak stuff. It costs 13ukp for a litre, yet at my local garden centre I can buy a local brand organic nute that is also 2-1-4 for 7.99 for 2.5 litres or a different brand that is 8-6-8 for the same price.

About enzymes, all the cannabis enzyme products are a rip-off, so watered down. You can buy the same enzymes in far more concentrated form for cleaning septic tanks or unblocking drains. Hagesan Sink & Drain Unblocker is 3.99 for 750ml and is extremely concentrated. Try this simple test, take two pieces of fruit, say two segments of an orange, place one in a glass of a cannabis enzyme product like Sensizyme or Cannazym, the other in a glass of septic tank or drain cleaner enzymes and leave them overnight. Come back in the morning and see what's happened, bet you the orange is still there in the cannabis enzyme glass, whereas in the concentrated enzyme glass it will be completely dissolved.

 

[<~Hades~>]

Great post.

Colossal Bud Blast was pretty much just seaweed, I get better results using Plagron Phyt-Amin and local brand seaweed.

Yup, the Big Bud Liquid sucks compared to the powder and for the precise reason you stated.

Iguana Juice is indeed fish emulsion and bat guano, shame it's so diluted, but then again, so are most of the organic base nutes out there, look at the NPK numbers, Biobizz Grow for instance is 2-1-4, pretty weak stuff. It costs 13ukp for a litre, yet at my local garden centre I can buy a local brand organic nute that is also 2-1-4 for 7.99 for 2.5 litres or a different brand that is 8-6-8 for the same price.

About enzymes, all the cannabis enzyme products are a rip-off, so watered down. You can buy the same enzymes in far more concentrated form for cleaning septic tanks or unblocking drains. Hagesan Sink & Drain Unblocker is 3.99 for 750ml and is extremely concentrated. Try this simple test, take two pieces of fruit, say two segments of an orange, place one in a glass of a cannabis enzyme product like Sensizyme or Cannazym, the other in a glass of septic tank or drain cleaner enzymes and leave them overnight. Come back in the morning and see what's happened, bet you the orange is still there in the cannabis enzyme glass, whereas in the concentrated enzyme glass it will be completely dissolved.

d-1 there old tech rep back in the day,,,,,did a test with a bottle of what is it the Foxfarm organic nute Bigbloom < i think thats the name> and with a 20$ finished a grow with so much bottle left and out yielded the iguana juice ~That bigmike later was nice enough to up the usage rates , before the iguana juice was even more watered down.....Pure blend pro whoops iguana juices ass all day every day......

LOL i use care free pond enzyme.......once and a while to keep my 55 gallon trash clean of fresh ro water

I liked the CBB i knew it was seaweeed based Seems almost 99% of nute products are,,,,,,i liked the azimite or what ever they used to add to it and i think half the bottle was scorpion juice too or chitsan in it to create a SAR effect in plants.

 

[<~Hades~>]

Care to elaborate?

I'm still not sold on enzymes. Maybe soon I'll do a side-by-side, but until then I just can't grasp the usefulness:cost ratio.

Cuz its waterdown and its weak and it spoils quick as hell.....amd the tech reps tell you its garbage .........LOL its garbage.......

i have used alot of enzymes on used coco to see if any break down the roots any faster.......they all suck.......throwing some mycoz in the medium eats and spit out the roots much faster !!!

Hygrozyme just the same to expensive and Does not do much ether to roots, but helps a bit from keeping your rez go bad and get pith.........i prfer carefree pond enzymes ......a cap treats a 55 gallon to 100 gallon rez for 15$ bottle

 

[grow nerd]

Why do I need my roots to break down for that cost if I don't plan on re-using medium?

I'm guilty of having purchased bottles of enzymes in the past (Hygrozyme, CannaZym), but I still don't know why... or what it did for me really...

 

[Bud Bug]

It's easier for me to buy bud candy at my hydro store then finding raw forms of sugar at health food store.

Just ask your store to bring in NutriLife Heavy Weight.

As for Wet Betty well Dutch Master brings out Penetrator and auto magically AN a few months later brings out Wet Betty I'm surprised the name wasn't a rip off either.

Then Dutch master raises the price of Penetrator, changes the mix from 20ml's per liter to 30ml's per liter and then to 60ml's per liter.

AN and Dutch Master are the only companies well maybe Grotek also that change their products so much, it confuses the customers. Always changing labels, amounts and product names.

 

[santasapimp]

i still got a bottle of the old stuff

 

[grow nerd]

Also a fan of Dutch Master?

http://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=169446

 

[<~Hades~>]

Dutchmaster gold is a great base nute and cheap.. works great,

But there as bad as advanced nutes on there Additives and what are in them,,,,,,ALOT ARE WTF products horrible advertising and info on products~ just like AN

LOL and i did see Your thread a while back ~classic

 

[Bud Bug]

Also a fan of Dutch Master?

http://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=169446

As a company I don't "mind" DM as they don't make too may insane claims with their products well except for "Liquid Light" which pisses me off. I do however hate their product catalogs and the way they change their product line.

As I stated above with Penetrator and now called Saturator. Also Liquid Light? First it was Foliatech Grow/Bloom and now those products are replaced with Liquid Light "better formulation" Also their label are useless and you have to go to their shitty site to see how to use each product. Just read the Foliatech/LL labels.

 

[Kitsym]

good discussion.

i think advanced should stop changing their products too. I Just got good with their pre-2007 system now im trying to figure this new one out LOL

 

[Kitsym]

good discussion.

i think advanced should stop changing their products too. I Just got good with their pre-2007 system now im trying to figure this new one out LOL

 

[Thundurkel]

yea I'm PISSED right now knowing the Bud Candy I just bought is different than what my buddy had GREAT results with!!! I hope this shit still works good for me...

 

[indifferent]

If the Bud Candy doesn't do what you want, grab some molasses, I highly recommend it.

 

[swordfish]

seems like for every 20 bottles he uses you seem to know or use that ingrediant in a raw form... if people spent as much time worring about a proper dry and cure as they did about flushing we would see much better product out thier

I don't see what you mean about splitting hairs, no-one wants salts and other crap in their smokeables. Plants do retain salts and salts do accumulate in the medium; flushing with pH balanced water dilutes these salts and lowers the overall ppm count within the medium. The plant will continue it's normal uptake but the solution is so diluted that deficiencies will occur. In turn, the plant draws nutrients from fan leaves and distributes them as needed. This process will eventually lower nutrient content within the plant material itself and create better tasting, smoother smoke.

Any plants that have been fed chemical nutes needs to be properly flushed, that is fact, I don't see how anyone can dispute that.

Best piece of advice I ever got from an old-timer was 'flush em till the fans fall off' and he was right, it gives you better taste and a smoother, cleaner smoke.

Consider this, people like Digitalhippy, growing with dozens of different bottles could be causing all kinds of nasty diseases in the people smoking their product that will not show up for decades yet. I mean, who knows the actual effects of smoking buds contaminated by residual materials from all that crap he is putting in his res? What if it turns out in 20 years that some of the crap AN were telling people would make them 'Grandmaster Growers' was actually carcinogenic? Who will those people be able to sue?

 

[indifferent]

seems like for every 20 bottles he uses you seem to know or use that ingrediant in a raw form... if people spent as much time worring about a proper dry and cure as they did about flushing we would see much better product out thier

My coco regime is pretty simple, and yes, I do try to buy things in the raw form, it's much, much cheaper for me, not least because the nearest hydro store is about 75 miles away.

This is all I use:

Base nute (Canna Coco A+B or a local generic brand)
PK Booster (AN Hammerhead till my bottle runs out)
Humic/Fulvic (DM MAX Bloom as I bought loads at 75% discount last year)
Seaweed (local generic brand)
Molasses (local generic horse feed brand)
Jaggery Goor (from local supermarket)
Malt Extract (local supermarket)
Potassium Silicate (currently DM Silica as I got it half price)
Superthrive (local garden centre)
Agralan Revive (local garden centre, bought 6 bottles from bargain bin for 50p each)
Ecover Washing-up Liquid (local supermarket)

If I were to replicate that regime using AN products it would look like this:

Sensi Bloom A+B
Hammerhead
Grandma Enggy's H-2 Humic
Grandma Enggy's F-1 Fulvic
B-52
Organic B
Carboload
Rhino Skin
Grandma Enggy's Seaweed
Voodoo Juice
Wet Betty

The AN line-up would cost me 3-5x as much and would mean a 150 mile round trip to the hydro store. If I could find a non cannabis specific brand of humic/fulvic, PK booster and potassium silicate then I wouldn't use any cannabis specific products, imho 99% of them are overpriced and overdilute.

I agree that a proper dry and cure is very important, but no amount of drying and curing can make up for an overfed and underflushed product.