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[indifferent]

where does it say he is two weeks out? So what if he has burnt tips and green leaves... I can show you as many articles against flushing as You can for Flushing so lets not start splitting hairs here..... I know you wana put the guy down for his personal belief but cmon man.

I don't see what you mean about splitting hairs, no-one wants salts and other crap in their smokeables. Plants do retain salts and salts do accumulate in the medium; flushing with pH balanced water dilutes these salts and lowers the overall ppm count within the medium. The plant will continue it's normal uptake but the solution is so diluted that deficiencies will occur. In turn, the plant draws nutrients from fan leaves and distributes them as needed. This process will eventually lower nutrient content within the plant material itself and create better tasting, smoother smoke.

Any plants that have been fed chemical nutes needs to be properly flushed, that is fact, I don't see how anyone can dispute that.

Best piece of advice I ever got from an old-timer was 'flush em till the fans fall off' and he was right, it gives you better taste and a smoother, cleaner smoke.

Consider this, people like Digitalhippy, growing with dozens of different bottles could be causing all kinds of nasty diseases in the people smoking their product that will not show up for decades yet. I mean, who knows the actual effects of smoking buds contaminated by residual materials from all that crap he is putting in his res? What if it turns out in 20 years that some of the crap AN were telling people would make them 'Grandmaster Growers' was actually carcinogenic? Who will those people be able to sue?

 

[Thundurkel]

I don't see what you mean about splitting hairs, no-one wants salts and other crap in their smokeables. Plants do retain salts and salts do accumulate in the medium; flushing with pH balanced water dilutes these salts and lowers the overall ppm count within the medium. The plant will continue it's normal uptake but the solution is so diluted that deficiencies will occur. In turn, the plant draws nutrients from fan leaves and distributes them as needed. This process will eventually lower nutrient content within the plant material itself and create better tasting, smoother smoke.

Any plants that have been fed chemical nutes needs to be properly flushed, that is fact, I don't see how anyone can dispute that.

Best piece of advice I ever got from an old-timer was 'flush em till the fans fall off' and he was right, it gives you better taste and a smoother, cleaner smoke.

Consider this, people like Digitalhippy, growing with dozens of different bottles could be causing all kinds of nasty diseases in the people smoking their product that will not show up for decades yet. I mean, who knows the actual effects of smoking buds contaminated by residual materials from all that crap he is putting in his res? What if it turns out in 20 years that some of the crap AN were telling people would make them 'Grandmaster Growers' was actually carcinogenic? Who will those people be able to sue?

VERY good points my man as I was starting to be interested in AN until I started reading the threads over the last few days finding out they changed formulas and labels. Claim shit that's never been heard before about cannabis growing and go from "it's too much phosphorus in the competitors bloom boosters that makes them inferior" then when the other companies have products with more K like they say is needed it's "they may have the right NPK but the wrong Amino Acids using D strains and not L" WTF!?!?!?!?! How true is this amino acid shit where are the folks pulling 5lbs per 1k with AN Grand Master bundle cuz that's what should be possible if folks are getting 2+ lbs per 1k with H&G and 1/10 the additives right? lol I don't trust a company that always changes it's formula that's why I stopped using Pure Blend Pro when a friend pointed it out to me and I've seen the PBP Bloom change a few times in the last year!

 

[indifferent]

On the amino thing, plants can only uptake L-aminos, I doubt any company uses any other type of aminos as they just wouldn't work.

 

[ijimunot]

AN reduces or eliminates components from one product so you have to buy two products to match the old. I can go to my local farm coop and buy three products that have the same components as eight AN products at a eighth of the cost. Quit shiting on people AN and make some money.

 

[grow nerd]

Consider this, people like Digitalhippy, growing with dozens of different bottles could be causing all kinds of nasty diseases in the people smoking their product that will not show up for decades yet. I mean, who knows the actual effects of smoking buds contaminated by residual materials from all that crap he is putting in his res? What if it turns out in 20 years that some of the crap AN were telling people would make them 'Grandmaster Growers' was actually carcinogenic? Who will those people be able to sue?

That's a bit of a stretch.

My point of contention isn't even about the flush, at all, really. I was just asking if it was from the non-flush or from the apparent over-fert. (Sometimes even a 3 week flush won't save you.)

I just wanted to see what a 30-bottle-program plant looked like grown by someone who has confidence in it. Now I know.

With so many magical sauces and claims laid, I'd have expected plants in perfect health and buds that looked superior than ones grown with a much simpler & cheaper program. Not some plants that just look like they were over-ferted with Miracle-Gro or some other unbalanced feeding program. (Actually, I knew pretty much to expect more or less what I saw, it's not an uncommon theme among 2+ and additive-heavy users.)

 

[indifferent]

Yeah, nothing at all special about those plants, nothing connoisseur quality about them, a true connoisseur does NOT smoke overfed underflushed weed.

I'm pretty serious about the unknown long-term health effects of smoking buds grown with dozens of bottles of crap, I mean, the studies just haven't been done so we don't know what potential time bomb could be awaiting us down the line.

 

[Ganja D]

Everything in these pictures was grown with AN. 13 different products. All organic except for Big Bud. Very expensive and worth every penny. All this herb is amazing and better then the same strains grown by 3-5 different friends, one with over 15 years experience with GH indoors. The huge arm sized buds are satori, there's also Sour diesel, 3 pheno's of Double strawberry diesel, and some strawberry cough.
I understand being skeptical about things but as far as the products go, most AN haters seem to be ignorant on the subject due to never using it or not getting it dialed. Say all the bad things you want about AN, but for those of us who use it, our herb is the shit and everybody wants it.

 

[indifferent]

Nice crops, clearly you could teach digitalhippy a thing or two, you haven't overfed those and have flushed em nice. You, sir, obviously have some serious skills with growing ganja.

However, I don't buy that your weed is better because you use AN, with your level of skills, I expect you could match the quality and yield with a different organic regime. Have you ever used aerated teas?

Can you tell us what AN products you use? Are you growing in soil or coco?

 

[mr noodles]

i have try most of all nutes on the market and they all work ...an included , the only an problem is it cost a lot of $ but thats it .

cancer...wow...you sound like a guy from another coe who want to take a crap at any cost on is competition or an old nanny who preach pot is dangerous stuff...

get a fucking grip ....advanced nutes use the same shit as any other ferts coe on the market lol some say advanced copy other brand...so thats make the other brand not any better .

you claim their product are diluted with water while you claim they are dangerous stuff that make buds cancer stick...funny enough you get all the same crap in the all the other brand of nutes

i used pbp until recently and yes it fucking change a lot in the recent years...same as karma...they are not what they used to be ...

gh....the buds taste shit no matter how bad you flush them ...and lolagal pointed that their floranectar gave her buds an unwanted berry taste....i am no fan of gh 3 part it grow a lot but lack finesse to my taste....the floranova was ok and gave better tasting buds...but gh sold as many additive as advanced nutes...flora this flora that plus ect

you hate an but move on and buy something else and dont crap me you want to save the universe of buying advanced nutes stuff....lmao !


you sound like a granny who is fighting against porn on the internet .

nutes are nutes,,,depend on how and what you do with it...

i have grown brutal crop of roadkill skunk circa 87-88 with 20-20-20 and 15-30-15 ...the smell was so strong ...real rks skunk not the fruity ass sk#1

dont worry i will not run to buy an nutes...i use big bud and overdrive and was given a bud candy quart ...thats it for an nutes...migth try their new ppm/ph when some guinea pig will do the test and show the result but until then ....

just got the whole nutri + line to test and so far work exactly like an, gh or else but at 1/10 of the price

 

[Ganja D]

Nice crops, clearly you could teach digitalhippy a thing or two, you haven't overfed those and have flushed em nice. You, sir, obviously have some serious skills with growing ganja.

However, I don't buy that your weed is better because you use AN, with your level of skills, I expect you could match the quality and yield with a different organic regime. Have you ever used aerated teas?

Can you tell us what AN products you use? Are you growing in soil or coco?

indifferent: Thanks for the compliments. Hearing things like that is very validating to me. I put all my energy, focus, and heart and soul into growing. I wish you could smoke some.

I use iguana grow/bloom, humic, fulvic, carbo load, sinsizyme(amazing product),pirahna, tarantula, voodoo juice, seeweed(or nitrozyme) organic B, wet betty, bud candy and big bud. I use each product as I see fit and foliar/reverse foliar spray every 48/72 hrs.
I grow in organic soil mixes that always evolve and have too many ingredients to name. I have not tested my ph since 2008.
It took almost 3 full cycles to get dialed with AN and there's still tons of room for improvement in my opinion.
I've grown with some other major brands and have never had results this impressive. A close friend with way more growing experience uses H@G and his bud is very pretty but doesn't smoke right, and there is no substitute for Big Bud.
I rep AN hard because it has been life changing for me. I get a way better bud/leaf ratio then ever before even with the same strains in the same room grown with different products. Before I started using Big Bud I didn't think it was possible to get buds of such a high quality to grow so dense and heavy.

 

[Thundurkel]

On the amino thing, plants can only uptake L-aminos, I doubt any company uses any other type of aminos as they just wouldn't work.

Yea that's what I think as well but AN says that they are the ONLY company to have the L-Aminos in their bloom booster ie Big Bud saying that Hydroplex gave a lil over 10% more yield but Big Bud was almost 20% and it's cuz of the L-Aminos they use and the other companies use much cheaper D-Aminos which I don't know much about as of yet

 

[Kcar]

Flushed with pure RO for 10 days.

 

[angel4us]

there is alot of smoke going round that just dont burn right. wont stay lit, .... i assume that is from not flushing properly or overfeeding or combo?????????

 

[grow nerd]

there is alot of smoke going round that just dont burn right. wont stay lit, .... i assume that is from not flushing properly or overfeeding or combo?????????

Correct.

 

[Thundurkel]

i have try most of all nutes on the market and they all work ...an included , the only an problem is it cost a lot of $ but thats it .

cancer...wow...you sound like a guy from another coe who want to take a crap at any cost on is competition or an old nanny who preach pot is dangerous stuff...

get a fucking grip ....advanced nutes use the same shit as any other ferts coe on the market lol some say advanced copy other brand...so thats make the other brand not any better .

you claim their product are diluted with water while you claim they are dangerous stuff that make buds cancer stick...funny enough you get all the same crap in the all the other brand of nutes

i used pbp until recently and yes it fucking change a lot in the recent years...same as karma...they are not what they used to be ...

gh....the buds taste shit no matter how bad you flush them ...and lolagal pointed that their floranectar gave her buds an unwanted berry taste....i am no fan of gh 3 part it grow a lot but lack finesse to my taste....the floranova was ok and gave better tasting buds...but gh sold as many additive as advanced nutes...flora this flora that plus ect

you hate an but move on and buy something else and dont crap me you want to save the universe of buying advanced nutes stuff....lmao !


you sound like a granny who is fighting against porn on the internet .

nutes are nutes,,,depend on how and what you do with it...

i have grown brutal crop of roadkill skunk circa 87-88 with 20-20-20 and 15-30-15 ...the smell was so strong ...real rks skunk not the fruity ass sk#1

dont worry i will not run to buy an nutes...i use big bud and overdrive and was given a bud candy quart ...thats it for an nutes...migth try their new ppm/ph when some guinea pig will do the test and show the result but until then ....

just got the whole nutri + line to test and so far work exactly like an, gh or else but at 1/10 of the price

was this aimed at me?

 

[indifferent]

indifferent: Thanks for the compliments. Hearing things like that is very validating to me. I put all my energy, focus, and heart and soul into growing. I wish you could smoke some.

I use iguana grow/bloom, humic, fulvic, carbo load, sinsizyme(amazing product),pirahna, tarantula, voodoo juice, seeweed(or nitrozyme) organic B, wet betty, bud candy and big bud. I use each product as I see fit and foliar/reverse foliar spray every 48/72 hrs.
I grow in organic soil mixes that always evolve and have too many ingredients to name. I have not tested my ph since 2008.
It took almost 3 full cycles to get dialed with AN and there's still tons of room for improvement in my opinion.
I've grown with some other major brands and have never had results this impressive. A close friend with way more growing experience uses H@G and his bud is very pretty but doesn't smoke right, and there is no substitute for Big Bud.
I rep AN hard because it has been life changing for me. I get a way better bud/leaf ratio then ever before even with the same strains in the same room grown with different products. Before I started using Big Bud I didn't think it was possible to get buds of such a high quality to grow so dense and heavy.

I wouldn't have guessed you were using that line-up, I would have guessed you were using the Mother Earth Super Teas. Never tried Iguana Juice, I tried Monkey Juice and it was only okay, I lost a fair bit of yield compared to my Canna Coco A+B runs. I might have to give the Iguana Juice a go when I run out of Canna, just hope AN don't change it in the meantime! I gave up using enzymes, didn't see what they did for my plants, can you tell me why you like Sensizym and what it does for ya? I think I have an old bottle of it sat around somewhere. Carboload and Bud Candy, aren't they pretty much the same thing - a carb source? Have you ever tried Blackstrap molasses? I am getting great results using a combo of Molasses, Malt Extract and Raw Sugar Cane Juice.

I have used various friendly funghi products in coco and found none of them made much difference, probably because I'm using coco and a mix of organics and inorganics, as you grow in soil, you will get much more benefit I'm sure from the Piranha and Tarantula.

Voodoo Juice is good stuff, but I use a product called Agralan Revive, which is very similar and I picked up half a dozen bottles of it for 50p out of the bargain bin at a local garden centre because the labels were water damaged, so I'm good for beneficials for a year or two!

I'd love to see ya do a side-by-side with your AN regime and an aerated compost tea of worm castings, mushroom compost, bat and seabird guanos, molasses etc. Reason being, I expect you can match your AN results with a good aerated tea but at a fraction of the cost.

The Wet Betty is a wetting agent, I use an organic washing up liquid called Ecover as my wetting agent, it has Aloe Vera and Yucca extracts and works a treat, it's less than 1ukp a bottle.

Organic B, well I don't need to add B vitamins or any other vitamins as there is a crapload of vit-B in the raw sugar cane juice I use, I buy a 500g block of solidified sugar cane juice for under 2ukp and it dissolves readily in water.

Of course, these alternatives are all much cheaper than AN, and that is important to me as I'm a strictly not-for-profit, medical grower providing meds for myself, I can rarely afford to buy products that cost as much as AN do, so I am always looking for alternatives. For those who do grow commercially, the AN prices aren't such an issue.

The Big Bud, well I love the powdered version, the old 0-15-40 version with 7% magnesium. There isn't another product available in the UK like it. I wish there was another source of L-Aminos, as that's what is in Big Bud that makes it work so well.

Yea that's what I think as well but AN says that they are the ONLY company to have the L-Aminos in their bloom booster ie Big Bud saying that Hydroplex gave a lil over 10% more yield but Big Bud was almost 20% and it's cuz of the L-Aminos they use and the other companies use much cheaper D-Aminos which I don't know much about as of yet

Never heard of D-Aminos. Big Bud is great stuff, wish I had a ton of the old stuff but I am down to one crop's worth, bummer.

there is alot of smoke going round that just dont burn right. wont stay lit, .... i assume that is from not flushing properly or overfeeding or combo?????????

Correct, I expect a lot of it is people using lots and lots of bottles of crap in the mistaken belief it will make them 'Grandmaster Growers'.

was this aimed at me?

Nah, it was aimed at me. I just ignored it cos the mods had to clean up a couple of threads in the last couple of hours and I think it would be best to avoid any further nastiness.

 

[DIGITALHIPPY]

Yeah, same chemist who formulated the Canna line also formulated the H&G line.

I wouldn't bother with the Sensi A+B, stick with the H&G unless you have any issues with it.

im never telling anyone to switch because of marketing.
infact check this out.
im gona agree with you. stick with H&G or whatever your using unless your having issues.

there was flushing for 9 days, but in the middle water evaped and ppm's spiked while i was gone.
that pheno of chemd never got yellow leafs.
held her nitro.

I
Consider this, people like Digitalhippy, growing with dozens of different bottles could be causing all kinds of nasty diseases in the people smoking their product that will not show up for decades yet. I mean, who knows the actual effects of smoking buds contaminated by residual materials from all that crap he is putting in his res? What if it turns out in 20 years that some of the crap AN were telling people would make them 'Grandmaster Growers' was actually carcinogenic? Who will those people be able to sue?

you have no clue what your talking about.
no fucking clue.
you think every res has every additive?
NO
thats why its called an additive.

ive gone plenty of res's with only 2-3 things. infact most res's only have 3-5 things depending on week or strain. only 1or 2 are even AN products.

AN reduces or eliminates components from one product so you have to buy two products to match the old. I can go to my local farm coop and buy three products that have the same components as eight AN products at a eighth of the cost. Quit shiting on people AN and make some money.

not quite.
you have a cognitive bias (closed minded syndrome)
seams to be the case around this forum.

cancer...wow...you sound like a guy from another coe who want to take a crap at any cost on is competition or an old nanny who preach pot is dangerous stuff...

get a fucking grip ....advanced nutes use the same shit as any other ferts coe on the market lol some say advanced copy other brand...so thats make the other brand not any better .

you claim their product are diluted with water while you claim they are dangerous stuff that make buds cancer stick...funny enough you get all the same crap in the all the other brand of nutes

i used pbp until recently and yes it fucking change a lot in the recent years...same as karma...they are not what they used to be ...

gh....the buds taste shit no matter how bad you flush them ...and lolagal pointed that their floranectar gave her buds an unwanted berry taste....i am no fan of gh 3 part it grow a lot but lack finesse to my taste....the floranova was ok and gave better tasting buds...but gh sold as many additive as advanced nutes...flora this flora that plus ect

you hate an but move on and buy something else and dont crap me you want to save the universe of buying advanced nutes stuff....lmao !


you sound like a granny who is fighting against porn on the internet .

nutes are nutes,,,depend on how and what you do with it...

i have grown brutal crop of roadkill skunk circa 87-88 with 20-20-20 and 15-30-15 ...the smell was so strong ...real rks skunk not the fruity ass sk#1

dont worry i will not run to buy an nutes...i use big bud and overdrive and was given a bud candy quart ...thats it for an nutes...migth try their new ppm/ph when some guinea pig will do the test and show the result but until then ....

just got the whole nutri + line to test and so far work exactly like an, gh or else but at 1/10 of the price

CLASSIC BRO!!!
atleast someone else isnt so closeminded there not noticing the taste GH leaves.

not sure what everyone has against advertising, all companies do it.
H&G seams to be cocky about there 'roots' product.

and botanicare seams to be comming out with a new flavor of sweet every week....
grape and "raw" whatever that is.


look here are 2 companys with just as many if not more "different bottles" (since thats the only thing you seam to care about, indifferent) where is your hate for them?
infact the bloom line makes very "one product" bottles. 3 different seaweeds....
synthetic, non carcinogen PGR duplicators.
why dont you bitch about everyone using paclobutrazol?
there more i disect the things you say the more i find your Anti-AN biased, nothing matters. here let me help you.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cognitive_bias
http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/unreceptive

 

[DIGITALHIPPY]

 

[grow nerd]

Time to invest in HDPE on the commodities market...

 

[<~Hades~>]

Iguana juice is just watered down fish emulsion with a bit of bat turds in it~ with a horrible usage rate~

Alot of Us used to frequent the advanced nutrient forums~ My handle was Imortaloutlaw < I SEE YOU TOOHIGH> LOL

Some of us still talk to or on forums with people that worked there and in the factories of ADVANCED.........

The BIg bud Liquid is probably correct as for years most of us knew from there tech reps, On the sly, That the cant make the liquid with all the things in the powder with out it binding..Meaning most of us knew the Liquid was garbage or Not as efficient as the powder.....So it was missing things that the powder Bigbud uses, but they never stated on the bottles~ now they cant juice there labels any more , so i doubt its even been changed more of now the labels for the liquid is correct !!



i have been growing with so many lines and to be honest each company makes great products,,,,advanced just has a way of reeling over feeding tools ~ for water down products , They are not what they used to be and make inconsistent batchs of nutes !!!

tHERE connie line now fixed from when it first came out is fire, BUt a circus freak prices !!!

They have discontinued , colossal bud blast, there scorpoin juice,,,,,,,,watered down the barricade to 1% so its a bottle of water

there 2 part is cheap and easy, there 3 part from toohigh reports i just the same as gh with out buffers


iF your gonna buy bigbud my favorite an product and only bloom buster i use~ Buy the powder