CO Breeders & Pollen Chuckers

[junglistKush]

Im a pollen chucker of course...A hack

Im a pollen chucker of course...A hack

 

[Greenmopho]

Im a pollen chucker of course...A hack

Whatever, who cares....what did you cross? Thats the question....

 

[junglistKush]

Got a few projects in the works

Got a few projects in the works

Got a Male chem pheno that I will hit the Chem 4, Giesel and FFA, and my powerhouse that is with a friend along with ChemDD f2s for starts.
I am going to start this chem4 seed I think was fathered by the giesel too.

 

[Greenmopho]

Got a Male chem pheno that I will hit the Chem 4, Giesel and FFA, and my powerhouse that is with a friend along with ChemDD f2s for starts.
I am going to start this chem4 seed I think was fathered by the giesel too.

Sounds like some dangerous inbreeding. Where did you get the chem male?

 

[MrDank]

DJ never mentioned to me that he was living here

Golden Goat was found in xxxxxx, not Colorado

Soma lives in Amsterdam (or at least did when he bred the NYCD x G13Haze). The seeds were sprouted in Vermont. I have never understood why people re-name plants from a commercial seed line. Why? Makes me wonder how many "elite" strains are just commercially available strains that renamed a particular phenotype.

 

[junglistKush]

Its a chem pheno from a pack of Chemd/SD from REz

Its a chem pheno from a pack of Chemd/SD from REz

Sounds like some dangerous inbreeding. Where did you get the chem male?

Ya its Dangerous alright, Don't want to fuck up the gene pool...ya right.....everyone think's there a botonist.

Some day soon we will fix that hermie gene at DNA level, I'm not worried about breeding it out.

I will be back crossing and outcrossing too with these.

 

[Bud Spleefman]

I don't understand the breeding scene at all anymore. Used to be if you found a special plant, you would gather male pollen and make seeds, and if you were a breeder you would save the male you used and cross the same male with succesive generations of female and stabilize said plant, and then you could name it.

Now it's "I grew this plant from bag-seed, I named it Phish Soup cause I was at the Phish show, do you want a cut?"

I'm crossing my Phish Soup with Blueberry, it's called Blue Phish.......

And you're selling some seeds of Blue Phish!!!! WTF!!!! None of those seeds will grow the same plant, yet the strain has a name.

Maybe I'm being a little harsh, but I dunno, how much work are these guys doing? Are these Chem crosses I keep seeing stabilized? Do they back-cross to the same male 4 or 5 times? If someone knows, please tell me.

 

[junglistKush]

This is for ME, I never said I was going to sell anything

This is for ME, I never said I was going to sell anything

I don't understand the breeding scene at all anymore. Used to be if you found a special plant, you would gather male pollen and make seeds, and if you were a breeder you would save the male you used and cross the same male with succesive generations of female and stabilize said plant, and then you could name it.

Now it's "I grew this plant from bag-seed, I named it Phish Soup cause I was at the Phish show, do you want a cut?"

I'm crossing my Phish Soup with Blueberry, it's called Blue Phish.......

And you're selling some seeds of Blue Phish!!!! WTF!!!! None of those seeds will grow the same plant, yet the strain has a name.

Maybe I'm being a little harsh, but I dunno, how much work are these guys doing? Are these Chem crosses I keep seeing stabilized? Do they back-cross to the same male 4 or 5 times? If someone knows, please tell me.

 

[junglistKush]

Unless you smoke Chemdawg, you wouldn't understand

Unless you smoke Chemdawg, you wouldn't understand

It's MY favorite and I will be having fun finding phenotypes from these till I'm 90 years old.

 

[junglistKush]

And PHISH sucks too

And PHISH sucks too

 

[junglistKush]

People need to embrace the chaos

People need to embrace the chaos

For Real

Things are changing fast.

 

[Bud Spleefman]

It's MY favorite and I will be having fun finding phenotypes from these till I'm 90 years old.

I have some in flower right now, day 17.....

Chem #4
I have Headband, ECSD, Jack Herer, AK47 AK x Bubblegum, Warlock, William's Wonder, Durban Poison, Romulan, Doube Sour D, all in my room......

What are you growing?

 

[Bud Spleefman]

These are Chemdog, let's see some photos of your Maxipad x Chemdog or whatever you think you've got.

 

[junglistKush]

OK FFA Giesel, Chem4, Chem4

OK FFA Giesel, Chem4, Chem4


Your turn

 

[Bud Spleefman]

Those are nice bud photos, I need to get a macro camera. The point is, if you cross OG Kush with Diesel, it's called OG Kush x Diesel, not OGiesel. That's the way it used to be, but not anymore.

This is Jack Herer....




This is AK x Bubblegum. Notice I didn't name it, even though I crossed them myself and have plenty of seeds......

 

[junglistKush]

Ecsd is about half as potent as Giesel not Ogiesel

Ecsd is about half as potent as Giesel not Ogiesel

Thats some CC gear...don't hate on me for their shit....this is Chemdog the growers own personal cross he made in his garden...don't get it twisted

 

[Greenmopho]

Soma lives in Amsterdam (or at least did when he bred the NYCD x G13Haze). The seeds were sprouted in Vermont.

My respect goes out to Soma, and yea, last I heard he was still in Amsterdam. I might be joining him soon if HB1284 passes...

I have never understood why people re-name plants from a commercial seed line. Why? Makes me wonder how many "elite" strains are just commercially available strains that renamed a particular phenotype.

I know, seriously! First of all, it takes away from the original strain, because we want to know the true original strain, and the phenos it is capable of producing.

There must be like at least 5 different "named" phenos of Sensi's Skunk #1 going around...

I don't understand the breeding scene at all anymore. Used to be if you found a special plant, you would gather male pollen and make seeds, and if you were a breeder you would save the male you used and cross the same male with succesive generations of female and stabilize said plant, and then you could name it.

Now it's "I grew this plant from bag-seed, I named it Phish Soup cause I was at the Phish show, do you want a cut?"

I'm crossing my Phish Soup with Blueberry, it's called Blue Phish.......

And you're selling some seeds of Blue Phish!!!! WTF!!!! None of those seeds will grow the same plant, yet the strain has a name.

Maybe I'm being a little harsh, but I dunno, how much work are these guys doing? Are these Chem crosses I keep seeing stabilized? Do they back-cross to the same male 4 or 5 times? If someone knows, please tell me.

You don't have to be a botanist to make seeds, you just have to do some reading and careful selection. Gregorian genetics and DJ Short's articles should be the MINIMUM course before doing any pollen chucking.

Crossing Chemdawgs with Diesels, so on and so forth, like what EVERYONE is doing, is pretty redundant....no hybrid vigor and you are not introducing any new traits to that line, you are only homogenizing the hermie gene, and maybe some other traits.

You'll just end up with an even more fucked up line, much like the British Royal family!

If your gonna grow Chemdawgs and Diesels, just grow em. If your gonna breed with them, do something interesting and worthwhile, instead of the same old shit everyone else is doing....

For Real

Things are changing fast.

Changing fast? Okay, the laws and the industry maybe? But how does that effect genetics? Things are changing fast as in there are more people then ever ignorantly seeking out chemdawg and diesel crosses that don't show new traits, because of a lack of experience or knowledge? I don't really see that as "change"....

 

[Bud Spleefman]

I don't know who CC is, my East Coast Sour Diesel is not the unleaded NYCD, it's the real deal. Chemdog is bag seed, no crosses, no stabilization. So not what you would use for a breeding project, there will be too much variation in the seeds it produces.

There were Chem 91,
Chem D
Chem 3 (this one sucked and was tossed)
and Chem 4
Or sooooo the story goes. So, what are you talking about crosses, and stabilization? Who stabilized it? Maybe I am out of the loop feel free to elighten me..... I'm growing it, too!

 

[Bud Spleefman]

G-Mo I've got the book The Cannabis Breeders Bible, I like it.... I've got the Robert Clarke Botany book too... another good read!

 

[junglistKush]

Serously If you don't know this Im not discussing this further

Serously If you don't know this Im not discussing this further

Chemdawg 101
***Special thanks go to orgogliodiprovi and chemdog who helped me straighten out the story and exact details.

***

Brief background:

At a Grateful Dead show at Deer Creek Amphitheatre, 'joebrand' (aka 'wonkanobe') and 'pbud' met 'chemdog' and sold him an ounce of very high quality pot for $500. joe and chemdog exchanged numbers and they later arranged for two ounces to be shipped to chemdog on the east coast. According to chemdog, one ounce was seedless and the other had 13 seeds.

In ’91, chemdog popped the first 4 seeds. From these seeds, one male was found and disposed of (chemdog was young, you can’t blame him). The 3 females were labeled ‘chemdawg’ (now ’91 chemdawg), ‘chemdawg a’ (now chemdawg’s sister), and ‘chemdawg b’. In '01, chemdog and his girlfriend attempted to germ 3 more seeds, labeled ‘c’, ‘d’, and ‘e’. the ‘e’ seed never germinated, ‘c’ turned out to be junk (according to chemdog), and chemdawg ‘d’ was the keeper. In '06, 'chemdog' and 'joebrand' reunited and joe was given 4 of the last 6 beans: Chemdawg phenos 1-4, '4' being the chosen keeper. Joe thought the '4' was the best representation of the original and thus dubbed it the 'reunion pheno'. Chemdog still has two seeds left in his stash.

Chemdawg Crosses:
• 'OG Kush' (the original cut) came from an s1 from in a bag of '91 Chemdawg in the Lake Tahoe area in 1996.
• 'Sour Diesel' aka ECSD came from an accidental cross of ('91 Chemdawg x Mass Super Skunk/NL)x DNL after the DNL hermed and seeded the room. The DNL's lineage is NL/Shiva x Hawaiian.
• Original Diesel' (also known as Diesel #1, Headband, Daywrecker Diesel, Underdawg) came from a cross of '91 Chemdawg x (Mass Super Skunk x Sensi's Northern Lights) done by a guy known as ‘weasel’.

• 'chemdog' and friends made several crosses that are held closely by a small group of friends and acquaintances. Among them are:

1. Super Snowdawg (Bubble Chem x [Super skunk x Oregon Sno])
2. Giesel (Chem D x Mass Super Skunk)
3. Bubble Chem (Chemdawg’s Sister x Sag's Bubbleberry)
4. Dawg Daze aka ChemHaze (Chem D x ’93 Sensi's NL#5/Haze)
5. Chemdawg D x Pbud (another old-school Colorado strain)


JJ-NYC has been working on a Chemdawg D-based seed line for several years now. He started by crossing Chemdawg D to Sensi's Afghani after thoroughly testing both Sensi's Afghani and Sensi's Hindu Kush to determine which was more stable and would be better for the initial cross. JJ then did a backcross, known as "Double Dawg." Several phenos of this circulate and several people still have beans. JJ's latest work to the line is a second backcross known as "Tres Dawg" which is just starting to get tested.

Rezdog of Reservoir Seeds recently released several Chemdawg crosses as part of his 'Trinity' charity auctions. The crosses included Chemdawg D x Sensi's Hindu Kush and Snowdawg x Sensi's Hindu Kush, Chemdawg D x Sour Diesel IBL, Snowdawg x Sour Diesel IBL, ChemHaze x Sour Diesel IBL and Giesel x Sour Diesel IBL.