Advance Nutrients is an amazing brand

[PetFlora]

Seems like the expensive joke is on us. Well, not me, though I was on the verge of ordering AN when I came across this thread. Sad to know Big M cannot be trusted. At the prices they charge one would think they would give us the best ratios of chelated and pharm grade ingredients.

So thanks for starting this theard, and especally to mullray for giving us the 411. So now what? Well, I checked deeper into Neptune Harvest. Fish Food and Seaweed Plant Food look like the real deal. May, or may not need a little bump in bloom. Seems like FF BigBloom would fit right in. Maybe some macro specific guano tea as well.

 

[mullray]

This is not a spam thread. I started it for fun and educational purposes. Read the first post.
Also I'm not an AN rep. I'm currently not even growing indoor or using their products, although I did stare at bottles of all the stuff I love using today at the hydro store.

"Hi everyone,
I sill consider myself very new hear and am very new to starting threads, so please bear with my inexperience on computers.
I have noticed the Advanced nutrients slander thread,(lol) and thought it would be nice to have a place for AN users or people considering using AN to share info and their experiences." (Your first post)

No offense Ganja D but AN does nothing but slander their competitors -check out their latest Sunlight Supply slander campaign which hopefully they get sued for - so it's about time they got some of their own back from the community who they BS to . I don't sell nutrients and I don't support any specific brands. BTW - carboload is glucose (dextrose) --- how much are AN selling water and glucose for??? (I wouldn't know - don't go near their stuff because I won't support grassing big mouths who feed growers -us!- BS and treat them like fools). Yep and of course your guy at the hydro store wants to sell AN. They make more profits selling needless additives (let's face it AN nutes must be absolute crap if you need 20 additives to achieve great yields). AN was about to go public as a company in about 2003 - they featured in Forbes magazine stating that they were turning over 20 odd mill a year. Jeeze --- poor Mike has made millions from mj specific hype and slandering his opposition (on video, various advertising and via these sites).

 

[Bud Bug]

"Hi everyone,
I sill consider myself very new hear and am very new to starting threads, so please bear with my inexperience on computers.
I have noticed the Advanced nutrients slander thread,(lol) and thought it would be nice to have a place for AN users or people considering using AN to share info and their experiences." (Your first post)

No offense Ganja D but AN does nothing but slander their competitors -check out their latest Sunlight Supply slander campaign which hopefully they get sued for - so it's about time they got some of their own back from the community who they BS to . I don't sell nutrients and I don't support any specific brands. BTW - carboload is glucose (dextrose) --- how much are AN selling water and glucose for??? (I wouldn't know - don't go near their stuff because I won't support grassing big mouths who feed growers -us!- BS and treat them like fools). Yep and of course your guy at the hydro store wants to sell AN. They make more profits selling needless additives (let's face it AN nutes must be absolute crap if you need 20 additives to achieve great yields). AN was about to go public as a company in about 2003 - they featured in Forbes magazine stating that they were turning over 20 odd mill a year. Jeeze --- poor Mike has made millions from mj specific hype and slandering his opposition (on video, various advertising and via these sites).

Well in the early mind 2000's AN had a good thing going. Put aside their constant GH slandering with posters and radio ads their food and most of the additives where pretty cheap and worked alright, nothing special compared to the other tens of food manufacturers.
Then seems they had some money troubles in the late 2000's and their prices started to creep up quite high. Mind you GH and everyone else's prices went up quite high also. So while before their products where cheaper, now they are on par with the big manufacturers and have lost the price edge. On top of that the Big Mike videos are not what I would call from a reputable company. I don't know how you could take them seriously after watching some of the crap on those videos.

Even if their food did give me an edge and gave me more weight I could care less about that since I wouldn't be supporting companies that just pull shit out of their ass and call it the greatest thing in the industry. Then they cry wold while they slander others at the same time.

 

[Carl Carlson]

who knew? Not me. Forbes magazine did a weed issue

http://www.forbes.com/forbes/2003/1110/146sidebar.html

Breaking the Two-Pound Barrier
Quentin Hardy, 11.10.03

You wouldn't know it, though, from a trip to Advanced Nutrients' fertilizer factory.

"We've got 86 different products, eight labs, 65 employees, and we'll gross $12 million (Canadian) this year, $20 million in 2004," says Michael Straumietis, who with partners Robert Higgins and Eugene Yordanov owns this firm. "I'd say 85% of this is related to the marijuana industry. We hope it's all for medical, but we can't control that."

The three deny the charges but also figure increasing liberalization of the law in Canada makes the nutrients more of a promising line, anyway. "There's more money in this than in growing," Straumietis says. "In five to seven years we could gross $100 million. If cannabis is legal[ized], we'll probably charge less, make it up on volume."​

 

[Guest 18340]

"Hi everyone,
I sill consider myself very new hear and am very new to starting threads, so please bear with my inexperience on computers.
I have noticed the Advanced nutrients slander thread,(lol) and thought it would be nice to have a place for AN users or people considering using AN to share info and their experiences." (Your first post)

No offense Ganja D but AN does nothing but slander their competitors -check out their latest Sunlight Supply slander campaign which hopefully they get sued for - so it's about time they got some of their own back from the community who they BS to . I don't sell nutrients and I don't support any specific brands. BTW - carboload is glucose (dextrose) --- how much are AN selling water and glucose for??? (I wouldn't know - don't go near their stuff because I won't support grassing big mouths who feed growers -us!- BS and treat them like fools). Yep and of course your guy at the hydro store wants to sell AN. They make more profits selling needless additives (let's face it AN nutes must be absolute crap if you need 20 additives to achieve great yields). AN was about to go public as a company in about 2003 - they featured in Forbes magazine stating that they were turning over 20 odd mill a year. Jeeze --- poor Mike has made millions from mj specific hype and slandering his opposition (on video, various advertising and via these sites).

mullray
The "slander" thread that Ganja D spoke of was NOT a slander of AN nutrients at all. It was about AN's Juicy Roots that someone was not happy with, which turned into name calling so it was locked.
Yes "big mike" does go around posting sladerous threads about other nute company's, under different screen names, but I can assure you that the author of this thread (Ganja D) is not an AN rep.
Don't take this personal mullray, I'm not picking on you, just wanted to clarify things a bit.
Threads like this are VERY touchy and get outta hand very quickly, but theirs some pretty good info in this thread as well, so it stays open. Until the name calling and personal attacks start...
Evl

 

[humboldtlocal]

Ganja D is not a AN rep. He does love those nutes though. It is something we do not agree on. He formed his opinion after years of growing with several different lineups. I have very little experience with their nutes but have seen firsthand how dishonest and corrupt this company is. Ganja D had very good intentions when he started this thread I think there are just too many people that have seen the seedy underbelly of this company to let a thread like this exist without stating their opinions. I for one do not support a company that does bad business no matter if their product does a good job or not. I don't buy blood diamonds even if they are beautiful.

 

[Ganja D]

This is kinda of like kids trying to get the last word in. (lol)
I was talking with an officially regestered master gardener yesterday. He has managed one of the largest hydro stores in the country and has personal experience using every product in the store.
He hates AN but admits there is no better product on the market to feed beneficials then carbo load. He complaines that the AN humic and fulvic should be in one product, then I pointed out the new A&B formula have both. He agreed that AN is changing their ways trying to make their products more effecient and economical for todays market.
He also uses bud candy still. If you grow marijuana there is no better mollases based supplument for flavor period.
If every stubborn grower tried every product I beleive some of advanced products would be proven to be the most effective on the market. I'm hoping to document some testing at some point over the next few years.
Sorry for my poor spelling.

 

[Bud Bug]

who knew? Not me. Forbes magazine did a weed issue

http://www.forbes.com/forbes/2003/1110/146sidebar.html

Breaking the Two-Pound Barrier
Quentin Hardy, 11.10.03

From the site

"Look at this--2.13 pounds per light!" says Yordanov, brandishing a paper. "We beat them in THC [tetrahydrocannabinol], too. A pound per light used to be good--we'll do 3."

LOL two pounds from what? What strain? What Veg time? What Flower Time? What medium? Ohhh yah those variables are always missing from their claims.

Anyone could get two pounds per light if you get the proper stain and veg it and flower it long enough while using anyones food

Funny how 4-5 years later after that article AN would be hurting for cash.

 

[Bud Bug]

But admits there is no better product on the market to feed beneficials then carbo load.

Wow who would have thought AN has a superior version of dextrose

I've used Conny twice once on Green Crack and the other time on Diesel. I haven't had a chance to test anything else out on GC but I have used Flora Nova and Pure Blend on the same diesel strain with no noticeable difference in the three. Seems strange that a "superior" food would not out produce the other two. Must have been me and not the superior product.

 

[Ganja D]

Sounds about right. Don't expect to use something for the first time and get it dialed. I spent about 6 months figuring out AN before I was blown away.

 

[Bud Bug]

Sounds about right. Don't expect to use something for the first time and get it dialed. I spent about 6 months figuring out AN before I was blown away.

Why would I spend all that time trying to figure out something which is advertised to be the "it" product when I do just as good with other cheaper products.

If I go the very similar result with those three that means I would have gotten the same if I "dialed in" all of them for way cheaper then the Conny.

Even if their products were better I refuse to give my money to any company that acts in the manner that AN does. And no I didn't spend any money on the Conny, I get what ever food I want for free so to me it doesn't matter what I use as it doesn't cost me anything.

 

[toohighmf]

bud candy & carbo load? let's see if they try to add a 3rd dextrose based product. why would someone add 2 different carbs? Whos a master grower???? I'm a master grower too
(self proclaimed, off course) and I don't need anything to keep any other products alive, or to "Enhance" the flavor of my pot. If you do, your growing the wrong strains.

 

[joe fresh]

well i must say i baught the whole AN line from the AN plus calculator, sensi a+b grow, connoisseur a+b bloom, i cost me a good chunk of change, i got it to see the diff for my self, and to those of you that say i wasted my time and money well i say this; my old ferts cost me 700$ per crop, AN is about 3k per crop (when i finnish this crop ill know), huge diff yes, but in the end it wil be paid for weather i get more yield or the same, so if it dont work out then i go back to my old stuff, a family friend uses the old stuff and hes the one that got me started on it, and he gets on average 3 lbs per light, i was getting 1.5, but he had co2 and bigger pots

so far i like the growth, but i can really only judge the final product, cuz a fert can veg great all it wants, but if it dont flower good then it aint worth shit, but 3.5ft plants in a 3 week veg

 

[mullray]

mullray
The "slander" thread that Ganja D spoke of was NOT a slander of AN nutrients at all. It was about AN's Juicy Roots that someone was not happy with, which turned into name calling so it was locked.
Yes "big mike" does go around posting sladerous threads about other nute company's, under different screen names, but I can assure you that the author of this thread (Ganja D) is not an AN rep.
Don't take this personal mullray, I'm not picking on you, just wanted to clarify things a bit.
Threads like this are VERY touchy and get outta hand very quickly, but theirs some pretty good info in this thread as well, so it stays open. Until the name calling and personal attacks start...
Evl

Thanks elvme2 - you'll have no name calling by me other than perhaps some colorful terminology of what I think about AN. No offence taken also and thanks for correcting things. GanjaD everyone has the right to express what they feel and try to help out others (good on you for that). I mistook this for yet another AN spam campaign which happen far too often on forums. I coudn't support ANs tactics before and now they have reached an all time low I hope they are sued into extinction (bottom line). Big Mike represents everything that is wrong in the hydro industry (greed, lies and deception) and I hope he chokes on his own BS. While they're grassing people out --- here's a bit on AN.

In October 2004 Michael Straumietis, one of the three founding partners of Advanced Nutrients, fled Canada for an undisclosed location after Canadian authorities unearthed he had been living and operating businesses under an assumed identity – on the lam from US authorities for over a decade.
In 1996 Straumietis had arrived in Canada with $25,000.00 dollars to his name. In 1999 Starumietis, Robert Higgins and Eugene Yordanov started Advanced Nutrients Ltd – the forerunner to Advanced Nutrients - and began manufacturing nutrients for the burgeoning BC cannabis market. They had one distinct advantage over their competition in that they, more so than any other company, built their reputation based on medical cannabis and marketed aggressively to cannabis growers, through television and radio with Straumietis himself appearing regularly on Marc Emery’s Pot TV.
In 2004, Advanced Nutrients had 65 employees and an estimated $30 million Cdn in revenue. To Forbes Magazine Advanced Nutrients was an exploding $30 million a year business poised to go public – to the authorities Straumietis was the Tony Sopprano of the BC cannabis industry and Advanced a company boosting the profits of organized crime.
In June of 2001 Canadian police and DEA officials had raided the premises of Advanced Nutrients, the homes of its principals, and several other businesses linked to them. The raid stemmed from an investigation by RCMP officials investigating Straumietis and his partners for cross boarder cannabis trafficking into the US.
The investigation led to reputedly the largest ever seizure of assets by Canadian authorities. Their case would fall through in 2003 and all bar a few assets would be returned; among the seized assets, a Glock .40 semi auto pistol, a para-ordinance P16.40, a Browning .22 semi auto pistol, a Sturm Ruger .22 rifle, boxes of bullets, throwing knives, bullet proof vests, listening devices, marijuana, hash, dried psychotropic mushrooms, fake ID’s, a fake security badge, a list of police and boarder patrol radio frequencies, and a file labeled OURANUS containing information about the RCMP air section.
Among other assets, Straumietis owned or had a major interest in, Chinook Air Charters flight school, Canadian Soils Garden Supercentre, Polar Bear Manufacturing and Mad Melvin’s Garden centre. Within the Advanced Nutrients empire were eight laboratories, a lobbyist, an image archive, a seed bank, an internet site that also operated as a membership based cannabis chat forum, a newspaper, a documentary unit, a large network of medical marijuana grow operations and over 100 cannabis specific products.

Yep - now he's making videos grassing out the competition who he just happens to be at war with. Poor Mike!

 

[B. Friendly]

seen this shit all day it's not that interesting, is big mike multiple personalitying this thread. lol, actually not funny big mike

 

[stasis]

evlme - does your Mod status substitute for facts...? Your authoritarian tone is unbecoming for a Mod on ICmag....

IMHO - as I said - the AN Connoisseur buds I grew came out much better - in all facets...2 runs in a row --- than any other feed regimen I have ever used....Period.

Your generalization holds no water. Why would they all be the same....? Makes no sense....

And I personally think Big Mike is a bit obnoxious too, but I do not care - if the product is better.... Many people in Cannabizness are Egomaniacs at best... Who cares...?

 

[PetFlora]

stasis. Your argument is based on using what other nutes exactly? For all we know you were using really crappy nutes. I don't think anyone is saying AN nutes are crappy, just way over hyped, and way too expensive for what's in them.

Now, if their chelated and pharm grades ingredients made up a substantial percentage, then they might stand apart from the pack

 

[toohighmf]

Define crappy nutes... actually, can you name 1 & why? I dont think it's the bow, it's the indian...

 

[joe fresh]

imo crappy nutes are a nute that is not complete, including micro and macro, and yes these do exist and are very cheap for that reason, also crappy nutes wont have the npk ratios im looking for, i dont like a flowering fert that has more P than K, and alot of bloom ferts imo dont have enough N and too much P

before i used AN i liked to make my own custom blend npk by mixing and matching diff ratios of diff ferts, but with AN it gives me what ratios i want(as close as any comercial fert can) and i dont gotta play mad scientist and chance fukking my shit up

 

[Guest 18340]

evlme - does your Mod status substitute for facts...? Your authoritarian tone is unbecoming for a Mod on ICmag....

IMHO - as I said - the AN Connoisseur buds I grew came out much better - in all facets...2 runs in a row --- than any other feed regimen I have ever used....Period.

Your generalization holds no water. Why would they all be the same....? Makes no sense....

And I personally think Big Mike is a bit obnoxious too, but I do not care - if the product is better.... Many people in Cannabizness are Egomaniacs at best... Who cares...?

My mod status has NOTHING to do with this so please don't even go there.
I was being as general as you were when you said "Jeez, what a bunch of screamers on this thread, as usual"...
I could care less about AN, but since this is a public forum I gave my opinion that most nutrient companies are the same. A opinion I formed after using many different brands of nutrients over the coarse of a few years.
No "authoritarian tone" intended my friend, just my opinion with no sugar on top...