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The ones that hate it scream louder, (just read the crazy tal on this forum) but lol, this is a controversial subject for all sides, I guess..... The ones that like AN are chill though. 'Cause they are smoking Pot without too much Phosphorus... A flammable material. Also, the AN flush product is better - very effective. The other nute programs overdose on 'P.' Might be good for tomatoes, though.
Never tried H and G, but talk about expensive...! I HAVE heard that it is a very good Nute Line, though.
My skills are not insignificant. I have studied hard, kept records for years, & learned from the many mistakes - mine and others'.... IMHO, The AN Connoisseur-grown buds (after 2 runs of learning how to use it effectively) are better than anything I have ever grown or smoked. While you guys argue, I and my friends will be puffin' on healthily-grown - well flushed, rock-hard pot that is in the top 5%tile... The GH 3-part (which I have worked with for years, as well) provided good buds too, very tasty, but not as mature, clean-smoking, or as yieldy as the Connoisseur grown buds.
Look at the Purple Erkle pic I posted above. What's to not like..?
Never tried H and G, but talk about expensive...! I HAVE heard that it is a very good Nute Line, though.
My skills are not insignificant. I have studied hard, kept records for years, & learned from the many mistakes - mine and others'.... IMHO, The AN Connoisseur-grown buds (after 2 runs of learning how to use it effectively) are better than anything I have ever grown or smoked. While you guys argue, I and my friends will be puffin' on healthily-grown - well flushed, rock-hard pot that is in the top 5%tile... The GH 3-part (which I have worked with for years, as well) provided good buds too, very tasty, but not as mature, clean-smoking, or as yieldy as the Connoisseur grown buds.
Look at the Purple Erkle pic I posted above. What's to not like..?
for bases I have used:
Peter's
AB fertilizer co. Super bloom powder (white can w typewritten label) Now SVA/B, SBA/B
GH maxi crop, floramato, flora series, floranova
Nutrilife Heavy Harvest A&B
EJ
botanicare pure blend, pure blend pro, triflex
homemade organics
bumper crop
AN GMB, Conni, Sensi AB, Monkey Juice, Sensi1, Igauna Juice, and MET.
Supernaturals Terra, auqua,
DM GOLD
H&G Cocos A&B
Bcuzz A&B
Canna Coco A&B
Dynabloom
I lived off sample packs from tradeshows for a few years...
here's what I gathered about base ferts:
THEY ALL WORK JUST GREAT.
It's when you throw all these uneccesary innoculants, seaweed, tons of P&K, urea, EDTA
cheap ass rock phosphate, magical enzymatics, carbs, in multiple forms that things become much more problematic for people who don't under elements at the ionic level.
If my Tap water wasn't 800ppm, and I didn't need a R.O I wouldn't need Calmg+ or even AN's revive sometimes. unfortunately I live in a part of the world where I don't even like washing my car in tap water, and am forced to shower in it.
next run is floranova bloom, Floralicious plus, calmg, and hygrozyme when/if needed. I'll be using 5ml/gal. of base and ramping it up at 6. I might even do 1 room canna coco and the other FNB.
Peter's
AB fertilizer co. Super bloom powder (white can w typewritten label) Now SVA/B, SBA/B
GH maxi crop, floramato, flora series, floranova
Nutrilife Heavy Harvest A&B
EJ
botanicare pure blend, pure blend pro, triflex
homemade organics
bumper crop
AN GMB, Conni, Sensi AB, Monkey Juice, Sensi1, Igauna Juice, and MET.
Supernaturals Terra, auqua,
DM GOLD
H&G Cocos A&B
Bcuzz A&B
Canna Coco A&B
Dynabloom
I lived off sample packs from tradeshows for a few years...
here's what I gathered about base ferts:
THEY ALL WORK JUST GREAT.
It's when you throw all these uneccesary innoculants, seaweed, tons of P&K, urea, EDTA
cheap ass rock phosphate, magical enzymatics, carbs, in multiple forms that things become much more problematic for people who don't under elements at the ionic level.
If my Tap water wasn't 800ppm, and I didn't need a R.O I wouldn't need Calmg+ or even AN's revive sometimes. unfortunately I live in a part of the world where I don't even like washing my car in tap water, and am forced to shower in it.
next run is floranova bloom, Floralicious plus, calmg, and hygrozyme when/if needed. I'll be using 5ml/gal. of base and ramping it up at 6. I might even do 1 room canna coco and the other FNB.
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Everything you just posted can be said about any other nutrient brand. (take out AN and GH and insert dif brands).
My point was that you posted on this thread calling people "screamers", and the way I see it is their is screaming from BOTH sides-the users and the haters.
Threads like this are touchy subjects and I left the thread open because it seems to straighten itself out. I'd like to keep it that way. Calling people "screamers" is sure to incite.
I know you didn't direct your comment at anyone specifically, but some people are hypersensitive...
Very nice Purple, btw.
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Low phosphorous ---- hmmm?? have a read about the chemistry and ANs marketing. http://www.integralhydro.com/advancednutrients.html and herein "lies" the problem with ANs brand of advertising - they take growers for morons and treat them with contempt.
Nice grow KyndBud. I'd like to see one strictly done with AN nutes though without all the additionals that you used. A nutrient needs to be evaluated in controlled trials, cross compared under the exact same conditions to another nute or nutes. Controlled trials require only one differing factor and in this case that would be comparative nute tests on a single grow under the exact same conditions (temp, light, RH, CO2 levels etc). You used organics and therefore you would have to evaluate another organic nute system under a set of controlled conditions in side by side trials.
My problem with these AN threads :e.g. "Advanced Nutrients is an Amazing Brand" is that they stink of being AN advertising campaigns (Spam). Let's face it, these forums make great places to advertise to growers and AN knows this better than most.
Rhino peace
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Can't believe that I'm saying this in my first post...
Can't believe that I'm saying this in my first post...
I've been using sensi grow/bloom/zym since my firt grow. Them plants sure don't have any deficiencies, and grow pretty fast. Which might also be attributed to the 13 gallon pots they grow in...
But after reading all this marketing bs advanced nutrients keeps blasting out of their behinds, I am surely switching my nutrient brand.
In fact, I wish I could buy some huge nutrient barrels, and make my own mix. If only I had the knowledge...
Can't believe that I'm saying this in my first post...
I've been using sensi grow/bloom/zym since my firt grow. Them plants sure don't have any deficiencies, and grow pretty fast. Which might also be attributed to the 13 gallon pots they grow in...
But after reading all this marketing bs advanced nutrients keeps blasting out of their behinds, I am surely switching my nutrient brand.
In fact, I wish I could buy some huge nutrient barrels, and make my own mix. If only I had the knowledge...
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Ganja D
All marketing strategies aside their products speak for themselves in results.
When you switch brands I bet even with an industry leader like Canna or H&G or the basics of GH your growth will not be as fast strong and healthy.
Using age old or botanicare or something like that will give you good growth rates and health but your yield won't come close to AN.
Not trying to knock anyone else just saying what I've experienced or seen.
If you change brands time will tell.
I've used AN. Wasn't impressed. No better than other nutes and not as good as some IMO. They should spend more time on research and less time talking BS on forums and through their other advertising avenues. BTW - it looks like the author of that piece has the AN formulas. It'll be interesting to see them.
Rhino peace
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Honestly, I find it hard to believe that GH flora series + diamond nectar will be inferior in any way to AN sensi grow/bloom/zym.
But as you said, time will tell.
KyndBud
Member
The guy surely knows what he is talking about, but if you really do the deep reading, you'll see that his information shows how AN is actually a superior product. He talks about contaminants in the sources of the different fertilizers and how only pharmaceutical or food grade sources will have the lowest amount of contaminants. Well, AN is made of mostly pharmaceutical grade sources, while your general hydroponics most definitely is not.
What it comes down to is quality. In the end, you may weigh out somewhat close, but your quality is going to be poop compared to AN, I've seen it with my own eyes plenty of times. Huge grow shows, same varieties, huge differences in quality (aroma, taste, POTENCY!) and a quarter to half pound less per light comparing GH to AN. I'm not saying you can't grow pot with GH or DM, but if your looking to grow the dankest and most potent then I'd rock the AN...Flame Away!
Peace
KB
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Bud Bug
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So you work at a hydro store pushing AN, not biased are we.
AN is such and amazing brand that they sell Potassium Silicate at 3X what other silicates cost. That for sure is an amazing brand of consumer shaft.
Rhino peace
New member
omfg, my fourth post, and I'm already flaming!
While obviously you did not read that link entirely, other people like myself actually did. Or else...
And no, you were not pushing AN at all...
While obviously you did not read that link entirely, other people like myself actually did. Or else...
You'd know that only 0.1% of the AN formula uses pharmaceutical grade nutrients. >>>0.1%<<<
And no, you were not pushing AN at all...
I will say that AN's Barricade was 100% potassium silicate. it was the only undiluted source via a nute co. However, they diluted it to .10 and charge more for it than ever, simply for renaming it Rhino Skin.. buy into the hype. nobody's forcing you to use anything but what you want. I guarantee you give me some 20-20-20 and I'll out perform your 2+ reg any day. this thread is really silly!
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Ganja D
Where did you find that link/website. I happen to know for a fact they don't have AN formulas yet.
redheadfreakin
Member
Do people really think that AN has magical ingredients that everybody else doesn't?
The hype has people blinded.
Too funny!
The hype has people blinded.
Too funny!
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Ganja D
Magical ingredients no. More testing on cannabis plants to find what is the most effective with growing cannabis yes, that is a fact I believe.
I recently had a long discussion with a manager of my areas largest hydroponic supply retailers. He claimes to have run side by side tests with all their products over the last 7 years with the same moms and same size rez, although he uses H&G for grow and bloom he admits some AN additives out preform all rival competitors hands down. He also commented on his disdain for their marketing and prices but still uses carbo load, bud candy and a few others.
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The guy surely knows what he is talking about, but if you really do the deep reading, you'll see that his information shows how AN is actually a superior product. He talks about contaminants in the sources of the different fertilizers and how only pharmaceutical or food grade sources will have the lowest amount of contaminants. Well, AN is made of mostly pharmaceutical grade sources, while your general hydroponics most definitely is not.
What it comes down to is quality. In the end, you may weigh out somewhat close, but your quality is going to be poop compared to AN, I've seen it with my own eyes plenty of times. Huge grow shows, same varieties, huge differences in quality (aroma, taste, POTENCY!) and a quarter to half pound less per light comparing GH to AN. I'm not saying you can't grow pot with GH or DM, but if your looking to grow the dankest and most potent then I'd rock the AN...Flame Away!
Peace
KB
Read the piece again KyndBud. AN use hardly any pharmaceutical grade elements. I think what the author is saying is AN are bogus marketers. Actually let me quote him from his site so you can't put up more bogus info (you sound like an AN rep feeding growers yet more shit and playing them for stupid). Quote....
"The “Micro Proteinate Mix” numbers that we have looked at (g/1000L at right of column) represent the amino proteinates that were used in a 1000L batch of AN Sensi Bloom and AN Sensi Grow in ANs Australian formulations. There is a total proteinate weight of 1500.6grams or approx (just over) 1.5kg in a 1000L batch of nutrient. Let’s say, hypothetically, that the 1000L batch of water and mineral elements (component fertilizers + water) weighs 1400kg; What we are then left with is a nutrient that contains approximately 0.108% of micro proteinates – the rest of the formulation (approx 99.892%) being made up of standard agricultural grade fertilizers and water. Looking at this another way… Based on the Australian Sensi Bloom formulation (or at least the formula I have) the total mineral (MAP, MKP, calcium nitrate, urea, potassium nitrate etc) equates to 558.5kg of component fertilizers in a total 1000 litre batch (with 110kg of this being derived from MKP –monopotassium phosphate- and MAP – mono ammonium phosphate-) with 1.5kg of the total component fertilizer weight, used in production, being micro proteinates. That is, 1.5kg of amino proteinates in a total of 558.5kg of mineral elements equates to 0.27% of the total mineral weight used in the production of 1000 litres of Sensi Grow and Bloom. When you put up these numbers things become somewhat clearer beyond the marketing jargon.
The bottom line: It sounds impressive from a marketing perspective to claim the use of “pharmaceutical grade” elements or micro proteinates in nutrients and additives (and certainly at least two companies are more than aware of this); however, AN are using amino proteinates at extremely low levels (for instance, AN add much higher levels of Fe as EDTA and DPTA, Zn as EDTA, and Cu as EDTA to the same formulations) and because of this any benefits gained from the use of amino proteinates – if any- are open to question (at least from a scientific/theoretical perspective)." Integral Hydroponics. G Low
For anyone that wants to see the exact g/L of pharmaceutical grade elements AN use go to the site. It is clear the author has the AN formulas and discusses their BS marketing intelligently with the science and chemistry of formulation. While we're at it here's ANs heavy metal content in their formulas.
SENSI BLOOM A 4.3-0-3.1
Cadmium 0.5000
Arsenic <0.2000
Lead <0.3000
Selenium <0.3000
Mercury <0.0030
SENSI BLOOM B 1.5-6.1-5.7
Cadmium <0.0500
Arsenic <0.2000
Mercury <0.0030
Lead <0.3000
Selenium <0.3000
SENSI GROW PART A 3.7-0-0
Cadmium 0.5000
Arsenic <0.2000
Lead <0.3000
Selenium <0.3000
Mercury <0.0030
SENSI GROW PART B 2.5-2.2-5.7
Cadmium <0.0500
Arsenic <0.2000
Lead <0.3000
Selenium <0.3000
Mercury <0.0030
No flaming KyndBud - let's bypass the AN bullshit and look at the science. I for one am fed up with these spam threads that so often seem to be fueled by AN reps.
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Ganja D
This is not a spam thread. I started it for fun and educational purposes. Read the first post.
Also I'm not an AN rep. I'm currently not even growing indoor or using their products, although I did stare at bottles of all the stuff I love using today at the hydro store.
Also I'm not an AN rep. I'm currently not even growing indoor or using their products, although I did stare at bottles of all the stuff I love using today at the hydro store.
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