Let's talk VEG...for max yeilds

[fredflintstoned]

I too have been researching DoubleD type buckets as well as the Undercurrent XL. I'm moving to a new house and have new beans in hand today, gotta love Attitude!
I normally run two stadiums at 1-1.5 ounce per plant. I think with either of these high volume RDWC systems I can double, maybe triple per plant numbers. If it can be done with three week veg is the big question.
I think the key to DoubleD's yields is the massive amount of light he uses. We're talkin in the range of 2500W per plant. In his room it must be like walking on the sun!
I use 2400W per stadium. With the new setup, I hope to get 4 tubs around each light. Worst case, overall yield should be the same but with way less plants.
Fred

 

[Godless]

I am a vertical newb, so please excuse any ignorance with this question:

If you are growing vert and want the plant to stretch out a lot during veg to fill a vert scrog, does it make sense to use HPS for veg? Along those lines, you could go through the whole list of tips to stop stretch and do the opposite where it makes sense right?

I'm sure this is all very strain dependent though right? I'd assume that there would be some strains where the stretch would just make bigger gaps between the buds and some that cover a high % of the stem where stretch would be theoretically good. I'd be interested in hearing/seeing real examples of strains that benefit greatly from stretch. Or maybe I am a dufus and all strains will yield more?

 

[solarz]

Well, what both of yall said is what i was pretty much talking about. The environment. The money, equipment, time, etc...if you don't have all that shit, the whole monster water moving shit is a waste! LOL

 

[krunchbubble]

Well, what both of yall said is what i was pretty much talking about. The environment. The money, equipment, time, etc...if you don't have all that shit, the whole monster water moving shit is a waste! LOL

not true, read the other kats who use his system without co2 and the same environment, there pulling 3+ lb's per plant.......

 

[mcattak]

Here is your lochness monster...DD uses a certain g13 that he has developed and give him 4+ per...

My pre 98 bubba should be about 1.5 to 2 per...So with 15 plants and 16k..Still pretty respectable...

each plant sits in a 27 gallon tough box and has approx 750 gph running through it...

 

[mcattak]

Plants are 3-4 ft tall and about 3-4 ft wide....All this with a 3 week veg...

 

[krunchbubble]

i think the trick is finding the right strain for your method of growing..

vertical = spindly strains.... 3-4 ounces per plant easy in a vert setup with a 3 week veg. , like KB with his "asian kush" (PK). Blue Dream is also great for vertical, as is trainwreck, OG kush, and other lanky strains... less veg time, more yield.

true dat! i have found that the more stretchy varieties, such as kush, tend to yield more then the more compact indica's. i know it sound completely different then what is the norm, but for vertical, it works!

case in point, i have 20 or so vert grows under my belt, with many varieties that i have tried. all have yielded 1 1/2-2 lb's per light easily. when i ran the pure kush, which is notorious for being a very low yielder, i got 2 1/2 lb's per light, with less plants. i vegged them till they were 3-4 ft tall and they stretched like a mofo, but ended up with walls of weed.
http://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=141353

interesting as most kats can barely reach 1 lb per light with the pure kush.....

 

[joeking]

I am a vertical newb, so please excuse any ignorance with this question:

If you are growing vert and want the plant to stretch out a lot during veg to fill a vert scrog, does it make sense to use HPS for veg? Along those lines, you could go through the whole list of tips to stop stretch and do the opposite where it makes sense right?

I'm sure this is all very strain dependent though right? I'd assume that there would be some strains where the stretch would just make bigger gaps between the buds and some that cover a high % of the stem where stretch would be theoretically good. I'd be interested in hearing/seeing real examples of strains that benefit greatly from stretch. Or maybe I am a dufus and all strains will yield more?

I'm new to the vert too. Having said that, if in theory this is the case, hps during stretchy periods, then say around weeks3, or 4 or 5 switch to a MH to really tighten things would make perfect sense.

Krunch, regardless of CO2 and what not, the overall space that is required to grow a 3 lb plant (multiple ones for that matter) far exceeds the amount of space that the average grower has to work with, as well as putting the setup together. Theres a reason DoubleD got 125k for his setup, he can make it look easy, he is sellin the shit right outta that thing Just my 2 pence worth

Mcattak, 20:1 this guy got paid for his obviously mindblowing new system he developed, (as he should, it looks like it will pay for itself in no time,) and with the loot, came the job of pushin his invention, outta left field IC is being blown up with this, and no dubt Krunch will completely ace it and produce yet another jaw dropping grow, but that kinda setup looks more a pain in the arse than anything else, I dread putting anything together, if I can't just add water, or a lil bit more, then I can't be bothered (Nice push though, maybe the company will hit you up to sponsor your next grow LOL)

 

[*mistress*]

big plants...
The Krusty Bucket

small plants...
Size does matter!

 

[mcattak]

Mcattak, 20:1 this guy got paid for his obviously mindblowing new system he developed, (as he should, it looks like it will pay for itself in no time,) and with the loot, came the job of pushin his invention, outta left field IC is being blown up with this, and no dubt Krunch will completely ace it and produce yet another jaw dropping grow, but that kinda setup looks more a pain in the arse than anything else, I dread putting anything together, if I can't just add water, or a lil bit more, then I can't be bothered (Nice push though, maybe the company will hit you up to sponsor your next grow LOL)

-Why do I care if he got paid

-try first time

-No push bro...Found all the info on my own and made the decision to try DWC..This is my first time..

-If you cant put in the work then dont complain about yield....

-Dont need these guys to sponsor me

-MPB's and Undercurrents are for real...They are both just modifications of others hard work...


should be noted that the gardener mentioned uses cuts that are rather old & tested... strain (artificial selection) very much factor.

I do believe his g13 cut helps with those 4+


...that is a fact...
there are threads on icmag that provide similar results... not many true tree gardeners on icmag, anymore.

Thats what I noticed lurked here for years and got great info for my flat garden...Scared of DWC because of all the moving parts...Stumbled onto the other site and found these buckets understanding that I had seen exponential growth with other DWC modifications for years...

 

[OsWiZzLe]

Double D's and Heath Robinson ...both of all their systems can be found in a book written a few year ago.... "New School Growing" by Jeff Mowta ...tells u how to build all these systems and the book is all about Vertical growing....

U can get the same yields in those 27 gallon containers with Sunshine Mix#4...

that book states to veg plants that are 2-3 feet tall for 400-600 watt bulbs and 3-4 feet for 1,000 watt bulbs...and Double D's aint shit by they way to all of u that jock him...

He tried to get cute and smart with Heath Robinson and got knowledge slapped upside his dome just like Jalisco Kid did to his ass b4 he got all all whiny and left his lil farm aye ...gotta luv them mounties

$125k for his system lol u people are so funny

** that g13 strain he runs looks like shoe shiners compared to what floats around here in So Cal all day/night for pennies in a bucket**

 

[joeking]

Mistress, thanks for your diligence in cuttin through the b.s and getting st8 to the point. I am adding another 400, so 800w will be what Im running, I now plan to veg until at least 2 feet, mayne 3, depending on strain, and I NEEED to by a ppm, although I use mostly organic teas, I plan on ruinning some side by sides in coco with the HEad/Rez formula to compare, my main focus is on the best end product...clean smoke, what not. I have to admit I pay more attention to the ladies in flowering than to my veg...gotta find a good balance and get them ladies started off on the good foot. So thanks for checkin me

Oswizzle...thanks for droppin knowledge, I knew there was sumthin fishy bout the whole DD thing, a man only got so much balls to swing on, and looks like his bout ta fall off at this point..LOl (just making jokes here peeps...liten up, laugh a little!) and I agreee about the massive containers, I have been running my cheese in these massive 17 gallon tubs with a healthy mix and it s insane what they are doing, wished i would have vegged them longet, its like the bigger the container, the less maintenence, just water and feed, pretty much whenever, and they are thriving

And for everyone else, i am guilty of being new here, dont now the politics and have always been very much an independent thinker. So if its attitude you have, then piss off, but if you wanna raise a little hell and give me hell for being a newbie...sure go ahead...but ya better at least buy me a beer while your doing it LOL

 

[*mistress*]

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[mcattak]

Double D's and Heath Robinson ...both of all their systems can be found in a book written a few year ago.... "New School Growing" by Jeff Mowta ...tells u how to build all these systems and the book is all about Vertical growing....

U can get the same yields in those 27 gallon containers with Sunshine Mix#4...

that book states to veg plants that are 2-3 feet tall for 400-600 watt bulbs and 3-4 feet for 1,000 watt bulbs...and Double D's aint shit by they way to all of u that jock him...

He tried to get cute and smart with Heath Robinson and got knowledge slapped upside his dome just like Jalisco Kid did to his ass b4 he got all all whiny and left his lil farm aye ...gotta luv them mounties

$125k for his system lol u people are so funny

** that g13 strain he runs looks like shoe shiners compared to what floats around here in So Cal all day/night for pennies in a bucket**

I could care less where he got his system and I am definitely not on his jock...

Show me where you can get 4+ with a 27 gallon bucket filled with promix and a 3 week veg...Oh and how does a person with serious arthritis pick these 27 gallon tubs of soil...

Your an idiot if you think anyone has paid 125k for this system (except maybe a distributor)

As far as what strain he uses to get his yields I could care less...My bubba is doing just fine and will sell for more than just pennies in so cal

 

[F_T_P!]

^^it's all about the stretch.. can i get an amen?!

Amen.

A good stretchy sativa in a vertical set up requires minimal vegging.

In my experience I need a lot of root growth during flower to get a real good stretch.

 

[Dr happy]

roots does not grow when you flower

 

[F_T_P!]

roots does not grow when you flower

Lol, OK buddy

 

[Dr happy]

Lol, OK buddy

you can make an experience

before you switch to 12\12 yo can take the plant out of the flowerpot and look on the roots - after the harvest check it once again

i have already done my experiment
u can thank me later

 

[F_T_P!]

So your telling me if I transplant into bigger pots before flower, when I flip to flower my roots will stop growing?



This is the same plant from transplant and two weeks flower with no veg in between, so you are telling me my plant grew 3 feet taller with no root growth?
That's 3 feet of growth in the first Two weeks of flower!

You FAIL in logic.

 

[cannaboy]

Take a rooted clone place in a 20ltr pot of a 50/50 all mix and canna coco feed rhizotonic at max dosage at 6.3 ph for 4 weeks topping all the strong growth and choping all inferiour weak stuff away chopping most off to leave 10/20 nodes all around the same hight. This takes practice and time as most growers a reluctant to cut of 3 weeks worth of lankey growth,, trust me it works!!!! A week or 2 longer in veg until you cant see the floor in the room through the plants.. This is overgrowing a canopy when it looks too big that if ya went 12/12 in 14+ days you would have BEASTS.. (Top some more!!!) Also chop off the weaker branches thinning out to the strong main branches taking 2 nodes to 1 strong node and 12/12 Hit them with a flower feed!!! Then 10 days in when first buds form pinch out ALL the tops!! (This has to be done this far in flower because otherwise it will veg the nodes) I like 2 fat top nuggs and no chaff at the bottom.

This is a top method!!!!