If you HAD TO ABSOLUTELY pick from 1 of these nute companies which would it be?
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Let me explain how easy Lucas is for 311.
Fill res with 10 gallons of water. Add 80 mil of Micro and 160 of Bloom
When the res is just over the pump there is about 2-3 gallons. To the res add 7 gallons of water, 56ml of micro and 112 bloom. Walk away. No meter, no ph... the only other thing you need is a good pair of scissors.
edit: and a microscope
Fill res with 10 gallons of water. Add 80 mil of Micro and 160 of Bloom
When the res is just over the pump there is about 2-3 gallons. To the res add 7 gallons of water, 56ml of micro and 112 bloom. Walk away. No meter, no ph... the only other thing you need is a good pair of scissors.
edit: and a microscope
Herb Green
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GH all the way! 13 years and lovin all the nugs ever made from it!
Gro on!
Herb
Gro on!
Herb
GH Flora Nova, as Lucas said, " So, why do you want to use 6 different products, when you only need ONE????"
GH Flora Nova has been real good to me and real easy to use!!
GH Flora Nova has been real good to me and real easy to use!!
311
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Hello Every1. Can't believe people are still voting on here. That's GREAT! This poll will be closing in a couple of weeks. I thought this thread was dead, since no one shares their opinions anymore.
I do have to give people an update though. As far as CES, I can't say I am the most pleased with them for Vegging. Tried going by Canna Stats calculator, and it came out right. But CES says for veg 1200-2000 PPM. And the calculator said that for the proper nute ratio, using CES would have high PPMs. I did, and I got some DEF. So I am @ 700 PPM, and she seems to like it better than 1100-1300. Now for bloom it seems that I have a decent simple recipe for CES, and it is dead on the proper nute ratio(100-100-200-60),and the PPMs are alot more like it(1100-1300), not 1600 or some crazy number I got, with the veg mix. So I will have to keep messing around with CES until I can say yay or nay.
I will Admit I have never had root growth like this though. Don't know if it's the Coco(which I never have used b4 also) or the CES G-REX(some kind of Microbial Parasite or wat not, which was good for the root system. But man....... I mean there's a few thick green roots. Yes green. Not dark, or from coloring(from nutes,algae, or wat not). Just a stem sorta color, but lighter, and from it, a bunch of other roots come out of. It's wicked, and looks COMPLETELY healthy. I will try to remember(If I get another post after this), to take a pic, and post up a pic of my root system, and see if anyone can see wat I mean. But I do think it was the G-REX, because I have other one's in Coco, that are getting GH FloraNova(which I will talk about in a sec), and their root system is taking longer to establish than when I used the G-REX with the CES res.
Another thing I liked about CES is that even though they say NOT to pH up, which I did NOT. I left it alone, and eventually it would make it's way up, and eventually make it's way up to about 6.1-6.3. So once u pH down 1 time, ur good! It doesn''t really fluctuate. I don't even check the pH with the CES anymore. Even if I top it off, the pH stays pretty much the same, 5.7-5.9. I'm not saying ur gonna have the same results with the pH as I have, but that has been a helper with me.
Now I have a couple with the FloraNova(Grow, FloraBlend, Floralicious +). Now I have always used Floralicious Plus, from the beginning. Might not even work, but that rotten smell, YUM YUM YUM, it just has to be good for them! But they are right, less is more. I mean, I was at 1/2 the recommended dosage and got nute burn, and out of nowhere 2. 1 minute looked fine, next morning, burnt.
Think the pH had something to help with that! Now moving on to the next bitching and moaning. EASY pH stable........ Hasn't been with me so far. Now the pH for my water is pretty low. 5.3-5.5(I don't know why) and my PPM's are at 30. Now I had to pH my res twice already. Last night I pH it to 5.7, and after feeding for 2 minutes, I rechecked pH, and it was 5.9-6.0, which I know is probably from me feeding for a few days with high pH(6.7) Didn't know it was that high. I though this stuff was suppose to be pH stable, so I didn't check. It was even said "With FloraNova, u can throw away ur pH meter", I would understand if I had high pH, that would make sense, but if I have low pH and I am adding a "pH stable content", I would think my pH would be 1) even lower, because if u start off with RO water @ 7.0, and get 5.8 after mixing, wat would happen if u start off w/ 5.5???? U would get 4.3 lets say..... And yes, not necessarily, but I can't imagine it doin nothing else but staying right at 5.5. Not rising up to 6.6, that's not stable to me. No matter wat I will always use Floralicious +. Also I'm giving FloraNectar a second try,when I flower, this time. I used FloraNectar, on my very first grow, and almost killed my first to plants. I used it with Dutch Master Gold in a DWC system, and don't know if the FN was bad, or if there was some reaction, but it turned my WHOLE root on all 3 girls into mush that just fell right off, within a few hours after adding/changing res. There was some stuff floatin in the bottle, but the guy who sold it to me said it was fine, just settlement. But when I returned it to the main store, the manager felt like it was something wrong with it, even though it smelt fine, so he gave me a refund. I have an unopened bottle, I will be trying. Hope I get some good tasty nugs with that.
Now last I have a couple in Sunshine Organic Planting Soilless Mix, and I am feeding Bio-Bizz nutes(Bio-Heaven, Root Juice, 1/2 Grow, 1/2 Fish Mix, Alg-A-Mic. I personally have no clue wat I'm doing with that. I actually had some def, and don't know if it's N def. If u people wanna check it out, and give me ur opinion, here is the link. JUST CLICK ON ME! I'm not gonna go into the whole Bio-Bizz situation, because if u took the time to read this far, u took the time to click on the link, and read that thread, so u know what my results with Bio-Bizz is so far.
I still have some other nutes to try out also. So keep ur eyes out for another poll eventually! I will keep everyone posted. And I will try to post some pics! Peace 3-11, 3-3-11!
I do have to give people an update though. As far as CES, I can't say I am the most pleased with them for Vegging. Tried going by Canna Stats calculator, and it came out right. But CES says for veg 1200-2000 PPM. And the calculator said that for the proper nute ratio, using CES would have high PPMs. I did, and I got some DEF. So I am @ 700 PPM, and she seems to like it better than 1100-1300. Now for bloom it seems that I have a decent simple recipe for CES, and it is dead on the proper nute ratio(100-100-200-60),and the PPMs are alot more like it(1100-1300), not 1600 or some crazy number I got, with the veg mix. So I will have to keep messing around with CES until I can say yay or nay.
I will Admit I have never had root growth like this though. Don't know if it's the Coco(which I never have used b4 also) or the CES G-REX(some kind of Microbial Parasite or wat not, which was good for the root system. But man....... I mean there's a few thick green roots. Yes green. Not dark, or from coloring(from nutes,algae, or wat not). Just a stem sorta color, but lighter, and from it, a bunch of other roots come out of. It's wicked, and looks COMPLETELY healthy. I will try to remember(If I get another post after this), to take a pic, and post up a pic of my root system, and see if anyone can see wat I mean. But I do think it was the G-REX, because I have other one's in Coco, that are getting GH FloraNova(which I will talk about in a sec), and their root system is taking longer to establish than when I used the G-REX with the CES res.
Another thing I liked about CES is that even though they say NOT to pH up, which I did NOT. I left it alone, and eventually it would make it's way up, and eventually make it's way up to about 6.1-6.3. So once u pH down 1 time, ur good! It doesn''t really fluctuate. I don't even check the pH with the CES anymore. Even if I top it off, the pH stays pretty much the same, 5.7-5.9. I'm not saying ur gonna have the same results with the pH as I have, but that has been a helper with me.
Now I have a couple with the FloraNova(Grow, FloraBlend, Floralicious +). Now I have always used Floralicious Plus, from the beginning. Might not even work, but that rotten smell, YUM YUM YUM, it just has to be good for them! But they are right, less is more. I mean, I was at 1/2 the recommended dosage and got nute burn, and out of nowhere 2. 1 minute looked fine, next morning, burnt.
Think the pH had something to help with that! Now moving on to the next bitching and moaning. EASY pH stable........ Hasn't been with me so far. Now the pH for my water is pretty low. 5.3-5.5(I don't know why) and my PPM's are at 30. Now I had to pH my res twice already. Last night I pH it to 5.7, and after feeding for 2 minutes, I rechecked pH, and it was 5.9-6.0, which I know is probably from me feeding for a few days with high pH(6.7) Didn't know it was that high. I though this stuff was suppose to be pH stable, so I didn't check. It was even said "With FloraNova, u can throw away ur pH meter", I would understand if I had high pH, that would make sense, but if I have low pH and I am adding a "pH stable content", I would think my pH would be 1) even lower, because if u start off with RO water @ 7.0, and get 5.8 after mixing, wat would happen if u start off w/ 5.5???? U would get 4.3 lets say..... And yes, not necessarily, but I can't imagine it doin nothing else but staying right at 5.5. Not rising up to 6.6, that's not stable to me. No matter wat I will always use Floralicious +. Also I'm giving FloraNectar a second try,when I flower, this time. I used FloraNectar, on my very first grow, and almost killed my first to plants. I used it with Dutch Master Gold in a DWC system, and don't know if the FN was bad, or if there was some reaction, but it turned my WHOLE root on all 3 girls into mush that just fell right off, within a few hours after adding/changing res. There was some stuff floatin in the bottle, but the guy who sold it to me said it was fine, just settlement. But when I returned it to the main store, the manager felt like it was something wrong with it, even though it smelt fine, so he gave me a refund. I have an unopened bottle, I will be trying. Hope I get some good tasty nugs with that.
Now last I have a couple in Sunshine Organic Planting Soilless Mix, and I am feeding Bio-Bizz nutes(Bio-Heaven, Root Juice, 1/2 Grow, 1/2 Fish Mix, Alg-A-Mic. I personally have no clue wat I'm doing with that. I actually had some def, and don't know if it's N def. If u people wanna check it out, and give me ur opinion, here is the link. JUST CLICK ON ME! I'm not gonna go into the whole Bio-Bizz situation, because if u took the time to read this far, u took the time to click on the link, and read that thread, so u know what my results with Bio-Bizz is so far.
I still have some other nutes to try out also. So keep ur eyes out for another poll eventually! I will keep everyone posted. And I will try to post some pics! Peace 3-11, 3-3-11!
far as the roots go it's the coco 
as far as the ph goes its very hard to get a good ph reading in ro water; the lack of conductivity in the water can mess up the meters; try a strip or liquid drops... it could also be if you're recirculating nutes with the coco; coco likes dtw as it tends to get buildups overtime although its very forgiving and easy to flush if that actually does happen
as far as the ph goes its very hard to get a good ph reading in ro water; the lack of conductivity in the water can mess up the meters; try a strip or liquid drops... it could also be if you're recirculating nutes with the coco; coco likes dtw as it tends to get buildups overtime although its very forgiving and easy to flush if that actually does happen
311
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You know, I've heard ppl say Coco has to be DTW, but all these threads I read, and all these people are using it in in Hydro w/ drip & Ebb and Flow, with great success. If I have to do DTW, I'll just go back to Hydroton, and recirculate. Also I'm not using RO, it's tap water, and it has barely anything measurable on the TDS. Only 30 PPM.far as the roots go it's the coco
as far as the ph goes its very hard to get a good ph reading in ro water; the lack of conductivity in the water can mess up the meters; try a strip or liquid drops... it could also be if you're recirculating nutes with the coco; coco likes dtw as it tends to get buildups overtime although its very forgiving and easy to flush if that actually does happen
Cutting Edge Solutions is local to my area. I've tested them side by side by side compared to Nova, and GH 3 part. Better results by far. Their additives definitely aide their 3 part lineup. Like stated above, the PH regulates its self in a way, which I find to be pretty convenient. Very simple. Find the right mix depending on your strain, add some Humboldt Roots/Roots Excel.during veg, and any bloom boost during flower. Floralicious plus is good too, however optional. But always, 
Rock The CES!!
Rock The CES!!
311
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I didn't even know I had gotten responses recently. Thanks for sharing ur experience with us, KM.Cutting Edge Solutions is local to my area. I've tested them side by side by side compared to Nova, and GH 3 part. Better results by far. Their additives definitely aide their 3 part lineup. Like stated above, the PH regulates its self in a way, which I find to be pretty convenient. Very simple. Find the right mix depending on your strain, add some Humboldt Roots/Roots Excel.during veg, and any bloom boost during flower. Floralicious plus is good too, however optional. But always,
So check it..... I can't either say good, or bad stuff about CES yet. I will have to wait till harvest b4 making a decision. Few things I can say is.....
During Veg, I was not impressed in growth. I tried following CannaStats NPK ratio for Vegging(which was kinda high), BUT eventually just found myself doing a 800PPM for full vegging.
It did seem that thru early vegging, there was a lot of stretching, and the plant looked leggy.
Now after I started 12/12, I started following the MJ NPK guidelines, that is 100-100-200-60, with the CES(adding a lil Cal Mag(to help get closer to the 60 value of Mg), Bud Candy, Fulvic Acid). And by George I got pretty close. And the ho seems to love it. She smells like a lemon, and looks, like a winner!
With my CES Recipe I got (N)100-(P)97-(K)198-(Mg)66
And this is the recipe so far. Made in 1 gallon.
Micro-5ml
Bloom-14ml
Plant Amp-10ml
Uncle John's Blend-10ml
Mag Amped-2ml
CalMag-4ml
Bud Candy-8ml
Fulvic Acid-5ml
The only thing that sucks is I changed the res last week, and today, and it smelled like a rotten egg in my res. Wasn't doin it b4. But it is nasty smelling, but the girls don't seem to mind, Well I'll try to check back in later on
C
Carl Carlson
None of the above.
After current bottles of FloraNova are empty, I'll be switching to Jack's Professional Hydroponic (5-12-26) + YaraLiva Calcium Nitrate + Protekt silicon. I grow in coco.
In the future, if forced to choose a bottled liquid nute, it would be from Botanicare.
After current bottles of FloraNova are empty, I'll be switching to Jack's Professional Hydroponic (5-12-26) + YaraLiva Calcium Nitrate + Protekt silicon. I grow in coco.
In the future, if forced to choose a bottled liquid nute, it would be from Botanicare.
311
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Lol. The name of the thread is: If you HAD TO ABSOLUTELY pick from 1 of these nute companies which would it be? Not What nute co. should I use.
I have about every line of nutes(commercial companies), so the question was targeted towards 4 specific nute lines.
Beside those 4 mentioned, I have pretty much the whole line of,
1)Bio-Bizz(The ENTIRE line)
2)Botanicare's CNS17 & Pro Blend line
3)SuperNatural Brand's whole entire line
4)Humboldt Nutrients A&B w/ additives(including a bottle of Equilibrium, which I haven't seen for sale at my Hydro store yet. But its their version of CalMag+.
Fox Farm's whole line
5)Dutch Master Gold(whole line) which has been my nute co. for 2 years now, and I have to give them a break, cause I haven't been satisfied
But yes, I'm not looking for nute companies to use. I was trying to get info on nute companies I already had, but had never tried.
Thanks for the attempt on helping though.
And as far as Advanced, I told the scientist guy on the phone, and I'll say it here. They are money hungry wolves. I found out the hard way. I let them set themselves up for my opinion on them. I gave them a chance, and because of 1 person on their company, who wasn't willing to try to make/or keep a customer.
I'll tell u wat. U can write ANY of the nute companies, and ask for samples(like I did), and receive their WHOLE line, and a thanks u for ur interest in our company. Now ask AN, for some sample of their nutes.......... LMFAO!
This is wat this scientist guy from AN told me. "AN samples are only given at stores when AN products are purchased. So in order for me to get a sample of something, I have to spend money with them???????? NOT 1 OF THESE OTHER COMPANIES CAME AT ME LIKE THAT. They were ALL happy to send me PLENTY of samples. Some of these companies gave me enuff stuff to run SEVERAL grows, bu AN couldn't just send me some base nutes,and maybe a flowering booster?
Hell Humboldt Nutrients, not only send me a few products but sent me a bottle of Humboldt roots(and we know that shyte ain't cheap.)
CES sent me their ENTIRE line, with some root parasite inoculant thing-a-ma-jiggy.
Anyways my point is I was happily given sample from all these companies. But AN gave me the boot, and a smile.
The best thing the A-hole said to me was, if u wanna try AN, u can buy it, and if ur not happy we'll refund ur $$$$$$$$$. HELL NO! Not spending $600 to find out, I can use another co, and spend $100, and get the same product.
SCREW Advanced Nutrients. U guys wanna throw ur $$$$$$$ away, send it to me at
Mr. I Love Free Money
100 Send Me All Your Money Drive
New Money City, New Money $$$$$
LOL, please don't get offended, just expressing my opinion, and having fun with it. Please, lets not turn this into any AN debate, cause that's not why I started this thread.
This thread was started in hopes to help myself, and others seekin opinions on those nute companies mentioned at beginning of thread.
I know I'v e promise pics, and I really should post them, for people to see the results with some of these nute companies. YES I'M A LAZY BUM!!!!!! But I promise to get to it soon. ANd some pics of these SICK roots. Now that all my girls are grown, I can say. It wasn't the coco that made my roots expand like that, cause I have same strains run in other drip system, and NO WHERE near the same root explosion.
Those roots were thanks to CES root innoculant, G-REX!
Peace all. 3-11, 3-3-11!
I have about every line of nutes(commercial companies), so the question was targeted towards 4 specific nute lines.
Beside those 4 mentioned, I have pretty much the whole line of,
1)Bio-Bizz(The ENTIRE line)
2)Botanicare's CNS17 & Pro Blend line
3)SuperNatural Brand's whole entire line
4)Humboldt Nutrients A&B w/ additives(including a bottle of Equilibrium, which I haven't seen for sale at my Hydro store yet. But its their version of CalMag+.
Fox Farm's whole line
5)Dutch Master Gold(whole line) which has been my nute co. for 2 years now, and I have to give them a break, cause I haven't been satisfied
But yes, I'm not looking for nute companies to use. I was trying to get info on nute companies I already had, but had never tried.
Thanks for the attempt on helping though.
And as far as Advanced, I told the scientist guy on the phone, and I'll say it here. They are money hungry wolves. I found out the hard way. I let them set themselves up for my opinion on them. I gave them a chance, and because of 1 person on their company, who wasn't willing to try to make/or keep a customer.
I'll tell u wat. U can write ANY of the nute companies, and ask for samples(like I did), and receive their WHOLE line, and a thanks u for ur interest in our company. Now ask AN, for some sample of their nutes.......... LMFAO!
This is wat this scientist guy from AN told me. "AN samples are only given at stores when AN products are purchased. So in order for me to get a sample of something, I have to spend money with them???????? NOT 1 OF THESE OTHER COMPANIES CAME AT ME LIKE THAT. They were ALL happy to send me PLENTY of samples. Some of these companies gave me enuff stuff to run SEVERAL grows, bu AN couldn't just send me some base nutes,and maybe a flowering booster?
Hell Humboldt Nutrients, not only send me a few products but sent me a bottle of Humboldt roots(and we know that shyte ain't cheap.)
CES sent me their ENTIRE line, with some root parasite inoculant thing-a-ma-jiggy.
Anyways my point is I was happily given sample from all these companies. But AN gave me the boot, and a smile.
The best thing the A-hole said to me was, if u wanna try AN, u can buy it, and if ur not happy we'll refund ur $$$$$$$$$. HELL NO! Not spending $600 to find out, I can use another co, and spend $100, and get the same product.
SCREW Advanced Nutrients. U guys wanna throw ur $$$$$$$ away, send it to me at
Mr. I Love Free Money
100 Send Me All Your Money Drive
New Money City, New Money $$$$$
LOL, please don't get offended, just expressing my opinion, and having fun with it. Please, lets not turn this into any AN debate, cause that's not why I started this thread.
This thread was started in hopes to help myself, and others seekin opinions on those nute companies mentioned at beginning of thread.
I know I'v e promise pics, and I really should post them, for people to see the results with some of these nute companies. YES I'M A LAZY BUM!!!!!! But I promise to get to it soon. ANd some pics of these SICK roots. Now that all my girls are grown, I can say. It wasn't the coco that made my roots expand like that, cause I have same strains run in other drip system, and NO WHERE near the same root explosion.
Those roots were thanks to CES root innoculant, G-REX!
Peace all. 3-11, 3-3-11!
C
Carl Carlson
Bingo.
3-1-2 and 3-1-4 nutrient ratios. People talk about AN basing their mixes on cannabis leaf tissue analysis. I have a feeling that Botanicare is as well, even if they don't say so publicly.
From there it depends on the medium, the intensity of the lighting, etc. For myself, in coco using 600s and 1Ks, I think CNS17 Hydro grow, yes hydro grow, is a complete, one part nutrient that could be used from start to finish without any other additives, nor Calcium or Magnesium supplementation.
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Member
I will admit.......
I started using CNS 17 a few days ago, with some Humboldt Roots, and Bud Candy(which is the only thing I will EVER make SOMEONE ELSE buy(cause I promised this AN guy, I would personally never buy AN products again. So I just make my wife buy it for me, so I don't feel as guilty. LMFAO) on my clones.
So far it seems they LOVE it.But the simplicity was amazing.
I like the idea of the FloraNova, being derived from Organics, but I really haven't felt it to be as stable as everyone portrays it to be. Plus that thickness, leaves my res, caked in brown residue. And being that I think I have OCD, cause I can NOT do a res change without removing ALL my girls, and getting my tray, and res to look just like the day I brought them home. White and clean! I try to just top, or pump out old nute, and replace with new. But I ALWAYS talk myself out of it, and clean my system once a week. It's a lot of work!)
But I opened the CNS17 which says its for Coco, which is wat I am currently using(and it was Hydro Veg, I also have the Pure Blend, and Sweet, and CNS Ripe, ETC!), and I never erad anywhere, anyone saying CNS17 was thick. I have read it EVERYWHERE about FloraNova, but not CNS. But here is this white milky thick substance.
I was like, DAMN, my CNS went bad. So I googled. Turns out that CNS was like that. I added everything to my water, and the pH was DEAD on. Where the FN varies pH, and after a few days, pH is not stable!
So I will have to be giving the Botanicare products I have a try, on my next run
I use a 600 watter,and a 400 watter, so I'm hoping one of these nutes, will pull the yield, and taste I'm looking for.
I will admit, the plant using CES nutes, is SICK. I have a feeling that it's gonna be DANK ASS nugs. It's DNA Genetics Sleestack x Skunk. She smells like a lemon!
Peace! 3-11, 3-3-11!
Id prob pick House and Garden if i could only have one nute line for the rest of my life
My friend just got done using CNS and he liked it but yea its all white and thick,
ill stick to GH micro/bloom
ill stick to GH micro/bloom
311
Member
So the polls finally closed. But It would still be cool if people came in and shared their stories or opinions, on the nutes listed in THIS poll. I'll keep comin in, and talkin about the products I am currently using from this list, which is CES, and FN. I am also using Bio-Bizz, on soilless medium, but that wasn't part of that list. I uploaded some pics, to my album. I'll try to get them on here. Peace. 3-11, 3-3-11!
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Member
Thought I might throw this out.
GH Flora 10.5mL Micro/ 7.5mL Bloom = 3-1-2
N140-P46-K95-Ca141-Mg29-S39-Fe3.1
(Add 1/2 tsp. Epsom Salt raises to -Mg62-S82-)
To add K I have Hi-Brix Molasses that is 0-0-3, adding 12 mL of Hi-Brix raises to K192 which gives me 3-1-4.
I am using 10.5M/7.5B for vegging right now and it is getting better growth than I had with Lucas or Rezcipe. I may use this for bloom as well and maybe add some P-K along the line, I will see how it goes.
